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July 20, 2022
Signal Over Noise with Noah Feldman — The War in Ukraine (Recap and Predictions), The Machiavelli of Maryland, Best Books to Understand Geopolitics, The Battles for Free Speech on Social Media, Metaverse Challenges, and More (#608)

“According to [James D.] Fearon, if the two sides have different opinions about what’s going to happen, then you go to war because you don’t have perfect information about the outcome.”
— Noah Feldman
I rarely cover current events on this podcast, but this is a new experiment.
To avoid overwhelm, I do not track the news 24/7 with doom scrolling. Rather, I depend on conversations with my smartest friends to find the signal in the noise. The following exchange with Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is an example of such a conversation, very similar to what we would have offline, and I wanted to share it with you. I learned a ton and changed my thinking a lot, which I always do.
Noah Feldman is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah.
Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.
Feldman is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.
He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his JD from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the US Supreme Court.
He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About It; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation Building; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.
Please let me know what you think of this experimental format by sending me feedback on Twitter @tferriss. Do you love it? Do you hate it? Have suggestions for improvement? The usual long-form interviews with evergreen questions will still be the default and bread and butter of this podcast, but if you like this, I could see doing more of them, perhaps once a month or once every two months. It’s just an easy way to get caught up without drowning in news.
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NOTE: This episode was recorded on June 22nd.
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Want to hear my first conversation with Noah Feldman on this show? Listen here as we discuss achieving post-childhood language fluency, caffeine-free existence, “failing” at therapy, pre-Civil War interpretation of the US Constitution, circumstances that require trusting the untrustworthy, why a futurist needs to understand the past, the pros and cons of uneditable smart contracts on a blockchain, productive compromise, Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., the Iroquois Confederacy, and much more.
#540: Harvard Polymath Noah Feldman — Deep Focus for Hyper-Productivity, Learning 10+ Languages, Predicting the Future with History, the Possibilities (and Limitations) of DAOs, Lessons from the Iraq Invasion, Designing the Supreme Court of Facebook, the Virtue of Scholarship, and the Wild Life of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Noah Feldman:Website | Twitter | Bloomberg | Facebook | Instagram | Harvard
The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America by Noah Feldman | Amazon Deep Background with Noah Feldman Podcast | Pushkin IndustriesHarvard Polymath Noah Feldman — Deep Focus for Hyper-Productivity, Learning 10+ Languages, Predicting the Future with History, the Possibilities (and Limitations) of DAOs, Lessons from the Iraq Invasion, Designing the Supreme Court of Facebook, the Virtue of Scholarship, and the Wild Life of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. | The Tim Ferriss Show #540What Does Russia Want in Ukraine? A Full Guide. | The New York TimesMilitary Victories Against the Odds | WikipediaIs the Lottery Really Just a Poor Person’s Tax? | QuoraPolish Cavalry Myth Debunked: CNBC vs. the Polish Embassy | Warfare History Network [Note: This is a myth and has been debunked.]New York City Fire Department Rescue Company 1 | WikipediaRationalist Explanations for War by James D. Fearon | International OrganizationDJI Denies Throttling Ukrainian Army Drone Tech Amid Rumors | PetaPixelHow Starlink Scrambled to Keep Ukraine Online | WiredThe Big Exodus of Ukrainian Refugees Isn’t an Accident – It’s Part of Putin’s Plan to Destabilize Europe | The ConversationPreventing a Wider European Conflict | Council on Foreign RelationsWhat DAOs Can Do: $6.75M in Ethereum for Ukraine | DecryptAirbnbs in Ukraine: People Are Booking Them but Don’t Plan to Check In | CNN TravelSanctions Against Russia: A Timeline | S&P Global Market IntelligenceForget the Obsession with Sanctions against Oligarchs. I Have a Better Way to Hurt Putin | The GuardianUS-Backed Task Force Seizes More Than $30B of Russian Oligarch Assets | VOAUkraine War: Russia Defaults on Foreign Debt for First Time Since 1918 | BloombergThe US Dollar May Be the Next Casualty of the Ukraine War | JacobinKorematsu v. United States: 323 US 214 (1944) | Justia US Supreme Court CenterWhat the Happiest Places Have in Common | The AtlanticSnubbed By NATO, Zelensky-Led Ukraine Likely to Become EU Member Soon. Should Putin’s Russia Worry? | CruxWhy Ukraine’s Longshot Bid to Join the EU Is Likely to Enrage Putin | CNNAppraising the War in Ukraine and Likely Outcomes | Foreign Policy Research InstituteOn War by Gen. Carl von Clausewitz | AmazonThe Art of War by Sun Tzu | AmazonWhy America Doesn’t Win Wars Anymore | VoxBloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder | AmazonCoup d’État: A Practical Handbook by Edward N. Luttwak | AmazonCool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition by Noah Feldman | AmazonDestined For War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides’s Trap? by Graham Allison | AmazonWhat “Machiavellian” Really Means | TED-EdFree Speech Challenges to Florida and Texas Social Media Laws | Congressional Research ServiceElon Musk Says Relaxing Content Rules on Twitter Will Boost Free Speech, but Research Shows Otherwise | Fast CompanySpotify Pulls 70 Joe Rogan Episodes, Host Apologizes for Saying N-Word | VarietyFour Plausible Reasons Bezos Bought Washington Post | Convince & ConvertWhat Happened When Trump Was Banned on Facebook and Twitter | The New York TimesIn the Age of Social Media, Expand the Reach of the First Amendment | American Bar AssociationCitizens United Explained | Brennan Center for JusticeGermany’s Balancing Act: Fighting Online Hate While Protecting Free Speech | PoliticoWas Oliver Wendell Holmes Right About Free Speech? | Publishers WeeklyDo Bots Have First Amendment Rights? | PoliticoJan. 6 Capitol Hill Riot Forced Social Networks to Look at Their Ugly Side | CNETBrain Drain: The Mere Presence of One’s Own Smartphone Reduces Available Cognitive Capacity | Journal of the Association for Consumer ResearchDecentralized Social Networks Sound Great. Too Bad They’ll Never Work | WiredAWS Is the Internet’s Biggest Single Point of Failure | ViceWeb1, Web2, and Web3 with Their Differences | GeeksforGeeksWhat Is the Metaverse? | The New York TimesLord of the Flies by William Golding | AmazonAugmented Reality (AR) vs. Virtual Reality (VR) | SplunkSHOW NOTESNote from the editor: Timestamps will be added shortly.
Russia vs. Ukraine: why?The first Web3 war?Will punishing Russian oligarchs make Putin blink?Did Putin miscalculate, or is he just playing a longer game?Could this conflict affect the US dollar’s status as a reserve currency?Exploring base/best/worst possible outcomes of the conflict.Recommended reading.Free speech in the age of social media.What’s at stake as free speech is legally reevaluated?Enforcement, decentralization, and free market considerations.Where Noah sees the free speech conversation in three years.Will the future be colored predominantly in AR or VR?Parting thoughts.MORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Money only governs all if the government allows it to.”
— Noah Feldman
“According to [James D.] Fearon, if the two sides have different opinions about what’s going to happen, then you go to war because you don’t have perfect information about the outcome.”
— Noah Feldman
“The Russians have much more limited objectives, but they’re still fighting, and the Ukrainians are still fighting back. So that just deepens the puzzle. What are they each fighting for now?”
— Noah Feldman
“Can Europe be a stable place or is Europe going back to the olden days where a government that had a serious army could just take over countries that it didn’t like?”
— Noah Feldman
“It’s entirely possible that in the long run, crypto would be to the advantage of an aggressor like Russia rather than being to the advantage of a state like Ukraine that’s defending itself.”
— Noah Feldman
“If the government regulates what we can do to each other in real life, and a private company regulates what we can do to each other in this AR-VR space simultaneously, it’s going to get really messy and really confusing.”
— Noah Feldman
July 12, 2022
Luis von Ahn, Co-Founder and CEO of Duolingo — How to Be (Truly) Mission-Driven, Monetization Experiments, 10x Growth, Org Chart Iterations for Impacting Metrics, The Intricate Path to an IPO, Best Hiring Practices, Catching Exam Cheaters, The Allure of To

“Whenever somebody asks you to do something a long time from now, change the framing and say, ‘What if it was tomorrow? Would you want to do this or not?’ Almost invariably, the answer is, ‘No, I definitely don’t want to do this tomorrow.’ And then you should answer based on that.”
— Luis von Ahn
Luis von Ahn (@LuisvonAhn) is an entrepreneur and consulting professor at Carnegie Mellon University, who is considered one of the pioneers of crowdsourcing. He is known for co-inventing CAPTCHAs, being a MacArthur fellow, and selling two companies to Google in his twenties.
He is currently the co-founder and CEO of Duolingo, a language-learning platform created to bring free language education to the world. With more than 500 million users, it is now the most popular language-learning platform and the most downloaded education app in the world.
Luis has been named one of the Brilliant 10 by Popular Science, one of the by Discover, one of the Innovators Under 35 by MIT Technology Review, and one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company. Luis also won the 2018 Lemelson-MIT prize, the largest cash prize for invention in the U.S.
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Want to hear the last time Luis von Ahn was on this show? Have a listen to our conversation here, in which we discuss why Luis left Google before his vesting phase was complete, the pros and cons of running a tech company, Duolingo’s evolving business model, how Duolingo compares to college instruction, how Luis vets and recruits computer science engineers, entrepreneurial resources, and much more.
#135: Luis Von Ahn on Learning Languages, Building Companies, and Changing the WorldWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Luis von Ahn: The Free, Fun, and Effective Way to Learn a Language | Duolingo Duolingo Is Now a Public Company! | Duolingo BlogAlphabet’s Independent Growth Fund | CapitalGGood Food | Kelly’s Bar and LoungeCoca-Cola #AmericaIsBeautiful 2014 Olympics Commercial | Cause MarketingThe Top Idea in Your Mind | Paul GrahamCarnegie Mellon UniversityreCAPTCHA | WikipediaGoogle TranslateHow K-Pop Became a Global Phenomenon | VoxSquid Game | NetflixParasite (2019) | IMDbGangnam Style | PsyEnter the Arena | Clash RoyaleOrganizational Chart | WikipediaLongest Duolingo Streak of 2022 | TechzilloZero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future by Peter Thiel | AmazonThe Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers by Ben Horowitz | AmazonHigh Output Management by Andy Grove | AmazonGuatemala | Amnesty InternationalOral-B iO Series 9 Electric Toothbrush | AmazonTOTO Neorest NX1 | AmazonLayla Kapok Pillow | AmazonThe (Urban) Legend of Ernest Hemingway’s Six-Word Story | Open CultureEvil Duolingo Owl | Know Your MemeThe Most Successful Email I Ever Wrote | Derek SiversOffice Space | Prime VideoDuolingo’s Values: A Letter from Our CEO | Duolingo BlogCan You Pass the World’s Shortest IQ Test? | Reader’s DigestWhat “Going Public” Means | InvestopediaWhat Does a Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Do? | InvestopediaBuilt to Sell: Creating a Business That Can Thrive Without You by John Warrillow | AmazonInvestor Relations | Duolingo, Inc.WeCrashed | Apple TV+Learning to Read Is Hard. We Made It Fun! | Duolingo ABCJoin the Waitlist to Test Our New Math App! | Duolingo MathMathemagics: How to Look Like a Genius Without Really Trying by Arthur Benjamin and Michael Brant Shermer | AmazonHow to Multiply by 11 | Mind Your DecisionsDuolingo English TestMuscle Milk | AmazonNorth American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | United States Trade RepresentativeGuatemala: Attorney General’s Reappointment Threatens Anti-corruption Efforts and Civic Space | Transparency InternationalWhat Guatemala’s Anti-Corruption Movement Can Learn from the Past | United States Institute of PeaceThe Exile of Guatemala’s Anti-Corruption Efforts | The New YorkerSHOW NOTES[05:03] Why the Duolingo owl is green[06:47] The core cause behind Duolingo’s creation, and how Duolingo has evolved over the years[12:48] Duolingo’s monetization efforts that didn’t quite pan out[21:06] After initial reluctance, how was the Duolingo workforce convinced monetization needed to happen?[25:06] As machine-driven translation services get more sophisticated, will human beings still seek to learn other languages via Duolingo?[29:31] The most pursued/influential languages in the Duolingo system currently[39:14] The development of Duolingo’s org chart[45:40] Why Duolingo uses a daily metric[48:33] Book recommendations[50:26] Luis’ most worthwhile investments[52:20] New beliefs, behaviors, or habits[55:20] Recent life-changing purchases[1:02:39] What Luis’ updated 2022 billboard might say[1:06:14] What Luis means when he refers to Duolingo’s “mission,” and how the company’s long view affects decision making[1:12:34] How Duolingo hires good candidates for the long haul[1:18:50] Why and how Duolingo went public[1:25:42] The biggest challenges Luis faces as CEO of a public company[1:30:50] Duolingo is expanding to teach more than languages[1:36:18] The Duolingo English Test: proficiency testing from home accepted by 4,200 academic programs across the world[1:39:51] How Luis’ expertise at catching cheaters during his time as a professor at Carnegie Mellon makes Duolingo products more trustworthy as accredited sources[1:43:39] The brief conversation with Luis’ personal trainer that changed his routine breakfast — to a different routine breakfast[1:44:38] Advice to young, driven people entering the working world[1:48:07] How Luis has become better at saying “No.”[1:49:56] Luis’ request of the audience and parting thoughtsMORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Something like 97 percent of our active users use Duolingo for free. Still, we make more money than all other education apps. We’re very proud of that.”
— Luis von Ahn
“If you’re not brushing with an electric toothbrush, you’re doing it wrong.”
— Luis von Ahn
“The attitude of just finding a way to become useful gets you a lot farther.”
— Luis von Ahn
“Hopefully, most people have seen the Duolingo owl. It’s our mascot. First of all, it’s an owl because in most Western countries, owls represent knowledge. Turns out this is just not true at all in Asia. Now that we’ve been expanding to Asia, people ask us, ‘Why the hell are you using an owl? Owls are just vicious animals.'”
— Luis von Ahn
“Whenever somebody asks you to do something a long time from now, change the framing and say, ‘What if it was tomorrow? Would you want to do this or not?’ Almost invariably, the answer is, ‘No, I definitely don’t want to do this tomorrow.’ And then you should answer based on that.”
— Luis von Ahn
July 4, 2022
Balaji S. Srinivasan — 5-10-Year Predictions, How to Start a New Country, Society-as-a-Service (SaaS), Bitcoin Maximalism, Memetic Warfare, How Prices Are Born, Moral Flippenings, The One Commandment, and The Power of Missionary over Mercenary (#606)

“A network state is a social network with a moral innovation, a sense of national consciousness, a recognized founder, a capacity for collective action, an in-person level of civility, an integrated cryptocurrency, a consensual government limited by a social smart contract, an archipelago of crowdfunded physical territories, a virtual capital, and an on-chain census that proves a large enough population, income, and real-estate footprint to attain a measure of diplomatic recognition.“
— Balaji Srinivasan
Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) is an angel investor and entrepreneur. Formerly the CTO of Coinbase and general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, he was also the co-founder of Earn.com (acquired by Coinbase), Counsyl (acquired by Myriad), Teleport (acquired by Topia), and Coin Center.
He was named to the MIT Technology Review’s “Innovators Under 35,” won a Wall Street Journal Innovation Award, and holds a BS/MS/PhD in Electrical Engineering and an MS in Chemical Engineering, all from Stanford University. Balaji also teaches the occasional class at Stanford, including an online MOOC in 2013, which reached 250,000+ students worldwide.
His new book is The Network State: How To Start a New Country. You can also read it for free at TheNetworkState.com.
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Want to hear Balaji’s last time on the podcast? Listen to our conversation here, in which we discussed “real” journalism, DeFi risks and rewards, potholes on the road to a utopian decentralized world, transhumanism versus anarcho-primitivism, Bitcoin versus gold, the problems with a 51-percent democracy, angel investing in the twenty-first century, COVID lessons learned, and much more.
#547: Balaji Srinivasan — Centralized China vs Decentralized World, The DeFi Matrix, Ascending vs Descending Trends, Bitcoin Mining as Energy Storage, Reputational Civil War, and Maximalism vs. OptimalismWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Balaji S. Srinivasan: The Network State: How To Start a New Country by Balaji Srinivasan | Amazon 1729.com Balaji Srinivasan on the Future of Bitcoin and Ethereum, How to Become Noncancelable, the Path to Personal Freedom and Wealth in a New World, the Changing Landscape of Warfare, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #506Balaji Srinivasan — Centralized China vs Decentralized World, The DeFi Matrix, Ascending vs Descending Trends, Bitcoin Mining as Energy Storage, Reputational Civil War, and Maximalism vs. Optimalism | The Tim Ferriss Show #547“I’ve Never Seen One Like This Before.” | Travis Kling, TwitterInside the Madness of the Stock Market | Jason ZweigMarket Depth | InvestopediaHow the Politically Unthinkable Can Become Mainstream | The New York TimesOverton Window | WikipediaSpare the Rod, Spoil the Child: Michael Fay’s Caning in Singapore | HuffPostExplore What the World Is Searching | Google TrendsLinux vs. Unix: What’s the Difference? | Opensource.comBlatty Sues Times on Best-Seller List | The New York TimesThe Exorcist: A Novel by William Peter Blatty | AmazonLegion by William Peter Blatty | AmazonWeb Framework | SinatraDr. Andrew Huberman — A Neurobiologist on Optimizing Sleep, Enhancing Performance, Reducing Anxiety, Increasing Testosterone, and Using the Body to Control the Mind | The Tim Ferriss Show #521The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Klaus Schwab | AmazonWhat is Russell Conjugation? | Tom DehnelAccess In-Depth News Archives | LexisNexisGates Demonstrates the Future at Electronics Show | The LedgerWhy and How Is Mobile the Future? | QuoraSnap’s New Spectacles Let You View the World in AR Through the Lenses | MashableWhy the Oculus Quest 2 Is Still the Virtual Reality Headset to Buy | CNN UnderscoredGoogle Glass Enterprise Edition 2 Review: Better than the First Version, But… | The Ghost HowlsApple’s AR Glasses Reportedly Coming Late 2024 | 9to5MacAugmented Reality | Apple DeveloperPokémon GOTerminator (T-800) Vision | YouTubeNeuroscientist Shares Trick to Manipulate Your Brain for Alertness In 10 Seconds | Design TaxiEcho Dot Smart Speaker with Alexa | AmazonSolana Mobile Debuts Saga, a Flagship Android Phone for Web3 | SolanaPhone Key Set Up for Model 3 and Model Y | TeslaSkein Definition & Meaning | Merriam-Webster“Super Soldier Serum Is Real.” | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterWhat is Bully Whippet Syndrome? | DDC Pets & VetsLimitless | Prime VideoIcarus | NetflixIU Doctors Cite Other Side of Lance Armstrong: Cancer Fighter | Indy StarGame of Shadows: Barry Bonds, BALCO, and the Steroids Scandal that Rocked Professional Sports by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams | AmazonBelgian Blue | Beef2LiveDouble Muscling in Cattle: Genes, Husbandry, Carcasses, and Meat | AnimalsBigger, Stronger, Faster | Prime VideoWeekend Update: Kevin Nealon on the All-Drug Olympics | SNLOur Science | Kaeberlein LabThe 4-Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat Loss, Incredible Sex, and Becoming Superhuman by Timothy Ferriss | AmazonTim Ferriss Shoulder Surgery | 4-Hour BodyDALL·E 2 | OpenAICliodynamics: History as Science | Peter TurchinState, Nation, and Nation-State: Clarifying Misused Terminology | Penn StateA Guide to Understanding Gender Identity and Pronouns | NPRWhat Is Bitcoin? | InvestopediaWhat Is the USD (United States Dollar)? | InvestopediaOpinion: Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police | The New York TimesMapping Every Disputed Territory in the World | Metrocosm54° 40′ or Fight | US HistoryNo Old Maps Actually Say ‘Here Be Dragons’ | The AtlanticFacebook vs. Twitter: How Do They Stack Up in 2022? | Website PlanetWhat Is E-Residency? | Republic of EstoniaFreetown Christiania | Visit CopenhagenHow We Changed Our Minds in 2021 | Common SenseHow Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them by Barbara F. Walter | AmazonEl Narco: The Bloody Rise of Mexican Drug Cartels by Ioan Grillo | AmazonMapping Civil Unrest in the United States (2000–2020) | Visual CapitalistBitcoin Maximalism | InvestopediaStrauss–Howe Generational Theory | WikipediaThe Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy – What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny by William Strauss and Neil Howe | AmazonIn 2020, Protests Spread Across the Globe with a Similar Message: Black Lives Matter | NPR2021 United States Capitol Attack | WikipediaUnited States Fed Funds Rate (2022 Data): 1971-2021 Historical; 2023 Forecast | Trading EconomicsSlow Steaming | WikipediaEnvironmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) Criteria | Investopedia35 Countries Where the US Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords, and Terrorists | SalonProud Boys and Antifa Clash in Violent Protest in Portland | The TelegraphExecutive Order 6102 — Requiring Gold Coin, Gold Bullion and Gold Certificates to Be Delivered to the Government | The American Presidency ProjectCanada Ends Its Freeze on Hundreds of Accounts Tied to Protests | The New York TimesSeizing Russian Assets to Help Ukraine Sets Off White House Debate | The New York TimesWelcoming Remarks by Chair Powell at the Inaugural Conference on the International Roles of the US Dollar | Federal Reserve Board“A US Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) Is Being Examined.” | Nicolas Mateo, TwitterWhat Is the Arab Spring, and How Did It Start? | Al JazeeraThe Role of Social Media in the Arab Uprisings | Pew Research CenterAOC and Tucker Are Wrong about Usury and Christianity | Foundation for Economic EducationChris Dixon and Naval Ravikant — The Wonders of Web3, How to Pick the Right Hill to Climb, Finding the Right Amount of Crypto Regulation, Friends with Benefits, and the Untapped Potential of NFTs | The Tim Ferriss Show #542Hip-Hop Loves Cash App, and That Might Be Why Jack Dorsey Bought Tidal | GQCould Quantum Computers Defeat Bitcoin? Not So Fast. | DecryptWhat Is DeFi? | CoinDesk5 Analytics Tools to Make You a Better Investor | BanklessPrivacy and Convenience | ZcashEl Salvador Purchases 80 Additional Bitcoin at $19K, President Bukele Says | CoinDeskWhat Are the Best Examples of a Politician Changing His or Her Mind? | QuoraOhio Republican Senate Candidate Mocked for Bitcoin Tweet | The IndependentWith 58% Inflation, Nobody in Argentina Knows The Price of Anything | BloombergA $100k Prize for a Decentralized Inflation Dashboard | 1729$100 Trillion Zimbabwe | Tim Ferriss, TwitterWild Wild Country | NetflixThe God That Failed by Richard H. Crossman and David C. Engerman | AmazonCan America’s ‘Civil Religion’ Still Unite the Country? | NPRPolitical Theology II: The Myth of the Closure of any Political Theology by Carl Schmitt | AmazonWhat Political Violence Is Actually Like | David Hines on TwitterGood vs. Bad Carbs: What Should You Eat? | Cleveland ClinicMetcalfe’s Law Explains How the Value of Networks Grows Exponentially | Peter FiskThe Private Club Exemption to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 | Journal of Urban and Contemporary LawPrincipality of SealandTyranny of the Majority | WikipediaThe Physics of the Fosbury Flop | Stanford UniversityThe Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux | AmazonAnimal Farm by George Orwell | AmazonOpening Humanity’s Next Frontier | The Seasteading InstituteChina Coup: The Great Leap to Freedom by Roger Garside | AmazonGhosts in the Machine | PsywarBiden Pledges to Defend Taiwan if It Faces a Chinese Attack | The New York Times‘Zero Covid’ and Lockdowns in China Have Many Dreaming Of Leaving | The Washington PostWhat China’s Surveillance Means for the Rest of the World | TimePaul Johnson | Charlie RoseEconomic Survey Graphs | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterIndia’s Trends | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterThe Internet Country by Aaryaman Vir and Rahul Sanghi | TigerfeathersIndia’s Budget | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterTrillion Dollar Paint Job by Mike Solana | Pirate WiresOrigins of the ‘Lisp’ of Spain | ThoughtCo.Google’s AI-Powered ‘Inclusive Warnings’ Feature Is Very Broken | ViceMetonymy | Wikipedia“Deprecate Metonyms via Decentralizing Technology.” | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterSHOW NOTESNote from the editor: Timestamps will be added shortly.
The current state of crypto and overall marketsMarket depth and the Overton windowThe challenges of identifying possible trendsDoes transhumanism need rebranding?Augmented reality glasses: the next big thing?Rethinking Icarus from a transhumanist, pro-innovation perspectiveDALL-E 2 as a compact programming languagePeter Turchin and cliodynamicsWhat is a network state?Humans like to fight over borders — even when they’re invisibleAmerican anarchyBitcoin vs. gold as an inflation hedgeWhat needs to happen for Bitcoin to behave in the way Bitcoin holders would like it to behave?Society as a service: how the establishment of a network state could succeed — without devolving into a cultChinese controlMissionary over mercenary; innovation over top-down controlIndia’s upward trendsEstablishment disdain for tech interlopers (and the feeling is mutual)Parting thoughtsMORE BALAJI SRINIVASAN QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“The worst thing to do is buy an asset when it’s in the news and sell it when it’s in the news.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Super soldier serum is real.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“The Wright Brothers were right. Icarus is a myth.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“A network state is a social network with a moral innovation, a sense of national consciousness, a recognized founder, a capacity for collective action, an in-person level of stability, an integrated cryptocurrency, an archipelago of crowdfunded physical territories, a virtual capital, and an on-chain census that proves a large enough population income and real estate footprint to attain a measure of diplomatic recognition.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Democrats will only marry Democrats to a higher percentage and Republicans are tending to only want to marry other Republicans. That has been growing. The thing is that you iterate that out one generation and what happens? That becomes ethnicity. Ideology becomes biology.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“They see a border, they fight over it. And you can see, for example, the Franco-German border between France and Germany. The border you can’t see is the border between Twitter and Facebook.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Only those assets that can’t be frozen or seized are your assets. And Bitcoin has a root system that extends way outside the United States to hundreds of millions of people around the world [who] value it. And that is not the case for your frozen assets on a stock exchange, for your valueless dollars.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“If, in the 2010s, social media became what all politics is about, by the end of the 2020s, cryptocurrency becomes what all politics is about. You will not be able to fund your government without it.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
Balaji S. Srinivasan — The Network State and How to Start a New Country (#606)

“A network state is a social network with a moral innovation, a sense of national consciousness, a recognized founder, a capacity for collective action, an in-person level of civility, an integrated cryptocurrency, a consensual government limited by a social smart contract, an archipelago of crowdfunded physical territories, a virtual capital, and an on-chain census that proves a large enough population, income, and real-estate footprint to attain a measure of diplomatic recognition.“
— Balaji Srinivasan
Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) is an angel investor and entrepreneur. Formerly the CTO of Coinbase and general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, he was also the co-founder of Earn.com (acquired by Coinbase), Counsyl (acquired by Myriad), Teleport (acquired by Topia), and Coin Center.
He was named to the MIT Technology Review’s “Innovators Under 35,” won a Wall Street Journal Innovation Award, and holds a BS/MS/PhD in Electrical Engineering and an MS in Chemical Engineering, all from Stanford University. Balaji also teaches the occasional class at Stanford, including an online MOOC in 2013, which reached 250,000+ students worldwide.
His new book is The Network State: How To Start a New Country. You can also read it for free at 1729.com.
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Want to hear Balaji’s last time on the podcast? Listen to our conversation here, in which we discussed “real” journalism, DeFi risks and rewards, potholes on the road to a utopian decentralized world, transhumanism versus anarcho-primitivism, Bitcoin versus gold, the problems with a 51-percent democracy, angel investing in the twenty-first century, COVID lessons learned, and much more.
#547: Balaji Srinivasan — Centralized China vs Decentralized World, The DeFi Matrix, Ascending vs Descending Trends, Bitcoin Mining as Energy Storage, Reputational Civil War, and Maximalism vs. OptimalismWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Balaji S. Srinivasan: The Network State: How To Start a New Country by Balaji Srinivasan | Amazon 1729.com Balaji Srinivasan on the Future of Bitcoin and Ethereum, How to Become Noncancelable, the Path to Personal Freedom and Wealth in a New World, the Changing Landscape of Warfare, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #506Balaji Srinivasan — Centralized China vs Decentralized World, The DeFi Matrix, Ascending vs Descending Trends, Bitcoin Mining as Energy Storage, Reputational Civil War, and Maximalism vs. Optimalism | The Tim Ferriss Show #547“I’ve Never Seen One Like This Before.” | Travis Kling, TwitterInside the Madness of the Stock Market | Jason ZweigMarket Depth | InvestopediaHow the Politically Unthinkable Can Become Mainstream | The New York TimesOverton Window | WikipediaSpare the Rod, Spoil the Child: Michael Fay’s Caning in Singapore | HuffPostExplore What the World Is Searching | Google TrendsLinux vs. Unix: What’s the Difference? | Opensource.comBlatty Sues Times on Best-Seller List | The New York TimesThe Exorcist: A Novel by William Peter Blatty | AmazonLegion by William Peter Blatty | AmazonWeb Framework | SinatraDr. Andrew Huberman — A Neurobiologist on Optimizing Sleep, Enhancing Performance, Reducing Anxiety, Increasing Testosterone, and Using the Body to Control the Mind | The Tim Ferriss Show #521The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Klaus Schwab | AmazonWhat is Russell Conjugation? | Tom DehnelAccess In-Depth News Archives | LexisNexisGates Demonstrates the Future at Electronics Show | The LedgerWhy and How Is Mobile the Future? | QuoraSnap’s New Spectacles Let You View the World in AR Through the Lenses | MashableWhy the Oculus Quest 2 Is Still the Virtual Reality Headset to Buy | CNN UnderscoredGoogle Glass Enterprise Edition 2 Review: Better than the First Version, But… | The Ghost HowlsApple’s AR Glasses Reportedly Coming Late 2024 | 9to5MacAugmented Reality | Apple DeveloperPokémon GOTerminator (T-800) Vision | YouTubeNeuroscientist Shares Trick to Manipulate Your Brain for Alertness In 10 Seconds | Design TaxiEcho Dot Smart Speaker with Alexa | AmazonSolana Mobile Debuts Saga, a Flagship Android Phone for Web3 | SolanaPhone Key Set Up for Model 3 and Model Y | TeslaSkein Definition & Meaning | Merriam-Webster“Super Soldier Serum Is Real.” | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterWhat is Bully Whippet Syndrome? | DDC Pets & VetsLimitless | Prime VideoIcarus | NetflixIU Doctors Cite Other Side of Lance Armstrong: Cancer Fighter | Indy StarGame of Shadows: Barry Bonds, BALCO, and the Steroids Scandal that Rocked Professional Sports by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams | AmazonBelgian Blue | Beef2LiveDouble Muscling in Cattle: Genes, Husbandry, Carcasses, and Meat | AnimalsBigger, Stronger, Faster | Prime VideoWeekend Update: Kevin Nealon on the All-Drug Olympics | SNLOur Science | Kaeberlein LabThe 4-Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat Loss, Incredible Sex, and Becoming Superhuman by Timothy Ferriss | AmazonTim Ferriss Shoulder Surgery | 4-Hour BodyDALL·E 2 | OpenAICliodynamics: History as Science | Peter TurchinState, Nation, and Nation-State: Clarifying Misused Terminology | Penn StateA Guide to Understanding Gender Identity and Pronouns | NPRWhat Is Bitcoin? | InvestopediaWhat Is the USD (United States Dollar)? | InvestopediaOpinion: Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police | The New York TimesMapping Every Disputed Territory in the World | Metrocosm54° 40′ or Fight | US HistoryNo Old Maps Actually Say ‘Here Be Dragons’ | The AtlanticFacebook vs. Twitter: How Do They Stack Up in 2022? | Website PlanetWhat Is E-Residency? | Republic of EstoniaFreetown Christiania | Visit CopenhagenHow We Changed Our Minds in 2021 | Common SenseHow Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them by Barbara F. Walter | AmazonEl Narco: The Bloody Rise of Mexican Drug Cartels by Ioan Grillo | AmazonMapping Civil Unrest in the United States (2000–2020) | Visual CapitalistBitcoin Maximalism | InvestopediaStrauss–Howe Generational Theory | WikipediaThe Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy – What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny by William Strauss and Neil Howe | AmazonIn 2020, Protests Spread Across the Globe with a Similar Message: Black Lives Matter | NPR2021 United States Capitol Attack | WikipediaUnited States Fed Funds Rate (2022 Data): 1971-2021 Historical; 2023 Forecast | Trading EconomicsSlow Steaming | WikipediaEnvironmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) Criteria | Investopedia35 Countries Where the US Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords, and Terrorists | SalonProud Boys and Antifa Clash in Violent Protest in Portland | The TelegraphExecutive Order 6102 — Requiring Gold Coin, Gold Bullion and Gold Certificates to Be Delivered to the Government | The American Presidency ProjectCanada Ends Its Freeze on Hundreds of Accounts Tied to Protests | The New York TimesSeizing Russian Assets to Help Ukraine Sets Off White House Debate | The New York TimesWelcoming Remarks by Chair Powell at the Inaugural Conference on the International Roles of the US Dollar | Federal Reserve Board“A US Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) Is Being Examined.” | Nicolas Mateo, TwitterWhat Is the Arab Spring, and How Did It Start? | Al JazeeraThe Role of Social Media in the Arab Uprisings | Pew Research CenterAOC and Tucker Are Wrong about Usury and Christianity | Foundation for Economic EducationChris Dixon and Naval Ravikant — The Wonders of Web3, How to Pick the Right Hill to Climb, Finding the Right Amount of Crypto Regulation, Friends with Benefits, and the Untapped Potential of NFTs | The Tim Ferriss Show #542Hip-Hop Loves Cash App, and That Might Be Why Jack Dorsey Bought Tidal | GQCould Quantum Computers Defeat Bitcoin? Not So Fast. | DecryptWhat Is DeFi? | CoinDesk5 Analytics Tools to Make You a Better Investor | BanklessPrivacy and Convenience | ZcashEl Salvador Purchases 80 Additional Bitcoin at $19K, President Bukele Says | CoinDeskWhat Are the Best Examples of a Politician Changing His or Her Mind? | QuoraOhio Republican Senate Candidate Mocked for Bitcoin Tweet | The IndependentWith 58% Inflation, Nobody in Argentina Knows The Price of Anything | BloombergA $100k Prize for a Decentralized Inflation Dashboard | 1729$100 Trillion Zimbabwe | Tim Ferriss, TwitterWild Wild Country | NetflixThe God That Failed by Richard H. Crossman and David C. Engerman | AmazonCan America’s ‘Civil Religion’ Still Unite the Country? | NPRPolitical Theology II: The Myth of the Closure of any Political Theology by Carl Schmitt | AmazonWhat Political Violence Is Actually Like | David Hines on TwitterGood vs. Bad Carbs: What Should You Eat? | Cleveland ClinicMetcalfe’s Law Explains How the Value of Networks Grows Exponentially | Peter FiskThe Private Club Exemption to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 | Journal of Urban and Contemporary LawPrincipality of SealandTyranny of the Majority | WikipediaThe Physics of the Fosbury Flop | Stanford UniversityThe Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux | AmazonAnimal Farm by George Orwell | AmazonOpening Humanity’s Next Frontier | The Seasteading InstituteChina Coup: The Great Leap to Freedom by Roger Garside | AmazonGhosts in the Machine | PsywarBiden Pledges to Defend Taiwan if It Faces a Chinese Attack | The New York Times‘Zero Covid’ and Lockdowns in China Have Many Dreaming Of Leaving | The Washington PostWhat China’s Surveillance Means for the Rest of the World | TimePaul Johnson | Charlie RoseEconomic Survey Graphs | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterIndia’s Trends | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterThe Internet Country by Aaryaman Vir and Rahul Sanghi | TigerfeathersIndia’s Budget | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterTrillion Dollar Paint Job by Mike Solana | Pirate WiresOrigins of the ‘Lisp’ of Spain | ThoughtCo.Google’s AI-Powered ‘Inclusive Warnings’ Feature Is Very Broken | ViceMetonymy | Wikipedia“Deprecate Metonyms via Decentralizing Technology.” | Balaji Srinivasan, TwitterSHOW NOTESNote from the editor: Timestamps will be added shortly.
The current state of crypto and overall marketsMarket depth and the Overton windowThe challenges of identifying possible trendsDoes transhumanism need rebranding?Augmented reality glasses: the next big thing?Rethinking Icarus from a transhumanist, pro-innovation perspectiveDALL-E 2 as a compact programming languagePeter Turchin and cliodynamicsWhat is a network state?Humans like to fight over borders — even when they’re invisibleAmerican anarchyBitcoin vs. gold as an inflation hedgeWhat needs to happen for Bitcoin to behave in the way Bitcoin holders would like it to behave?Society as a service: how the establishment of a network state could succeed — without devolving into a cultChinese controlMissionary over mercenary; innovation over top-down controlIndia’s upward trendsEstablishment disdain for tech interlopers (and the feeling is mutual)Parting thoughtsMORE BALAJI SRINIVASAN QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“The worst thing to do is buy an asset when it’s in the news and sell it when it’s in the news.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Super soldier serum is real.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“The Wright Brothers were right. Icarus is a myth.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“A network state is a social network with a moral innovation, a sense of national consciousness, a recognized founder, a capacity for collective action, an in-person level of stability, an integrated cryptocurrency, an archipelago of crowdfunded physical territories, a virtual capital, and an on-chain census that proves a large enough population income and real estate footprint to attain a measure of diplomatic recognition.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Democrats will only marry Democrats to a higher percentage and Republicans are tending to only want to marry other Republicans. That has been growing. The thing is that you iterate that out one generation and what happens? That becomes ethnicity. Ideology becomes biology.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“They see a border, they fight over it. And you can see, for example, the Franco-German border between France and Germany. The border you can’t see is the border between Twitter and Facebook.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“Only those assets that can’t be frozen or seized are your assets. And Bitcoin has a root system that extends way outside the United States to hundreds of millions of people around the world [who] value it. And that is not the case for your frozen assets on a stock exchange, for your valueless dollars.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
“If, in the 2010s, social media became what all politics is about, by the end of the 2020s, cryptocurrency becomes what all politics is about. You will not be able to fund your government without it.”
— Balaji Srinivasan
July 1, 2022
Hamilton Morris and Dr. Mark Plotkin — Exploring the History of Psychoactive Substances, Synthetic vs. Natural Options, Microdosing, 5-MeO-DMT, The “Drunken Monkey” Hypothesis, Timothy Leary’s Legacy, and More (#605)

“Almost everything that we call a poison, under some circumstances—at least conceivably—could have a therapeutic effect.”
— Hamilton Morris
Welcome to The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is usually my job to deconstruct world-class performers, to tease out their routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life.
This time around, we have a very special edition featuring two of your favorite guests: Dr. Mark Plotkin and Hamilton Morris.
Mark takes over my duties as host and interviews Hamilton for an episode of the Plants of the Gods podcast. You, my dear listeners, are hearing the audio before anyone else, so this is a Tim Ferriss Show exclusive. I’ve previously featured some of my favorite episodes from that show at tim.blog/plantsofthegods. These episodes cover a lot of fascinating ground.
Who is Mark? Mark (@DocMarkPlotkin) is an ethnobotanist who serves as president of the Amazon Conservation Team, which has partnered with ~80 tribes to map and improve management and protection of ~100 million acres of ancestral rainforests. He is best known to the general public as the author of the book Tales of a Shaman’s Apprentice, one of the most popular books ever written about the rainforest. His most recent book is The Amazon: What Everyone Needs to Know. You can find my interview with Mark at tim.blog/markplotkin.
And the guest today is Hamilton Morris. Hamilton (@HamiltonMorris) is a chemist, filmmaker, and science journalist. A graduate of The New School, he conducts chemistry research at Saint Joseph’s University. Hamilton is the writer and director of the documentary series Hamilton’s Pharmacopeia, in which he explores the chemistry and traditions surrounding psychoactive drugs. You can find my most recent interview with him at tim.blog/hamilton.
This is a tightly packed 60-minute interview. Mark and Hamilton cover the history of different psychoactive substances, Timothy Leary’s legacy, the “drunken monkey” hypothesis, conservation, microdosing, the differences between 5-MeO-DMT and DMT, a disease that afflicts people who smoke enormous quantities of cannabis, causing them to vomit continuously and only find relief from their nausea by taking a hot shower (yes, really), the impact of the placebo effect, a synthetic vs. a natural product, the role of ritual, and much, much more.
Please enjoy!
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This episode is brought to you by Athletic Greens. I get asked all the time, “If you could use only one supplement, what would it be?” My answer is usually AG1 by Athletic Greens, my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in The 4-Hour Body in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but AG further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system.
Right now, Athletic Greens is offering you their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase—a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit AthleticGreens.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and five free travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.
This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter that every Friday features five bullet points highlighting cool things I’ve found that week, including apps, books, documentaries, gadgets, albums, articles, TV shows, new hacks or tricks, and—of course—all sorts of weird stuff I’ve dug up from around the world.
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Do you want to hear the last time Hamilton Morris was on the show? Listen here to our conversation in which we discussed Alexander Shulgin’s alchemy, keeping the psychedelic renaissance honest, concerns about accelerated research of psychedelics in the for-profit sector, conscientious chemistry, sustainable alternatives to popularly used compounds, fly-by-night rent-a-shamans, and much more.
#511: Hamilton Morris on Iboga, 5-MeO-DMT, the Power of Ritual, New Frontiers in Psychedelics, Excellent Problems to Solve, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Hamilton Morris:Patreon | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
Bufo Alvarius: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert by Ken NelsonHamilton’s Pharmacopeia | Prime VideoHamilton Morris on Iboga, 5-MeO-DMT, the Power of Ritual, New Frontiers in Psychedelics, Excellent Problems to Solve, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #511Hamilton Morris on Better Living Through Chemistry: Psychedelics, Smart Drugs, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #337Connect with Mark Plotkin:Website | Plants of the Gods Podcast | Amazon Conservation Team | Twitter | Facebook
Tales of a Shaman’s Apprentice: An Ethnobotanist Searches for New Medicines in the Amazon Rain Forest by Mark J. Plotkin | AmazonThe Amazon: What Everyone Needs to Know by Mark J. Plotkin | AmazonThe Hidden Knowledge of Animals — Mark Plotkin on Nature’s Medicine Cabinet | The Tim Ferriss Show #537Plants of the Gods — Dr. Mark Plotkin on Ayahuasca, Shamanic Knowledge, the Curse and Blessing of Coca, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #508Dr. Mark Plotkin on Ethnobotany, Real vs. Fake Shamans, Hallucinogens, and the Dalai Lamas of South America | The Tim Ferriss Show #469Sonoran Desert Toad (Bufo Alvarius) | Arizona-Sonora Desert MuseumDemand for This Toad’s Psychedelic Toxin Is Booming. Some Warn That’s Bad for the Toad. | The New York TimesThe Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads | The New YorkerThe Desert Smells Like Rain: A Naturalist in O’odham Country by Gary Paul Nabhan | AmazonNative Peoples of the Sonoran Desert: The O’odham | US National Park ServiceThe Legacy of Ibogaine Therapy Pioneer Howard Lotsof | Psychedelic Times5-MeO-DMT (Bufo): Everything You Need to Know | Drug Science5-Methoxytryptamine | PubChemIbogaine | PubChemThe Bwiti Tradition | Bwiti Living & Learning CenterInside Ibogaine: A Promising and Perilous Drug for Addiction | TimeWhat is Microdosing, and Does it Work? | The New York TimesAugust 1981 | Omni Magazine5-MeO-DMT: The Story Behind The ‘”God Molecule” | Double BlindWhat Are the True Risks of Taking Cannabis? | The GuardianCannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome | Cleveland ClinicMedicine Quest: In Search of Nature’s Healing Secrets by Mark J. Plotkin | AmazonEpibatidine | Wikipedia7-Oxanorbornene Dicarboxylic Anhydride | PubChemFirst Known Venomous Frogs Use Their Heads as Weapons | Sci-News.comEditorial: Placebo and Nocebo Effects in Psychiatry and Beyond | Frontiers In PsychiatryNauclea Latifolia | Useful Tropical PlantsTramadol | WikipediaTraditional Bwiti Ritual Gabon | ICEERSNiños Santos, Psilocybin Mushrooms, and the Psychedelic Renaissance | ChacrunaCannabis and Ayahuasca: Mixing Entheogenic Plants | Reality SandwichPhyllomedusa Bicolor | WikipediaUndiscovering Huautla: City of the Magic Mushrooms | ChacrunaPlants of the Gods: Their Sacred, Healing, and Hallucinogenic Powers by Richard Evans Schultes, Albert Hofmann, and Christian Rätsch | AmazonHuichol Tribe of Mexico’s Sierra Madre Mountains | Dance of the Deer FoundationHow to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan | AmazonThe Wild Story Of William Leonard Pickard, The ‘Acid King’ Who Once Made 90 Percent Of The World’s LSD | All That’s InterestingAyahuasquero vs. Curandero: A Western Misunderstanding of Shamanism | Ayahuasca LifeWhere Do Magic Mushrooms Grow? | Double BlindGiuliana Furci on the Wonders of Mycology, Wisdom from Jane Goodall, Favorite Books, and the World’s Largest Fungarium | The Tim Ferriss Show #525The Wizard of Oz | Prime Video5-Bromo-DMT | WikipediaPsilocybe Congolensis | WikipediaEthnomycological Conspectus of West African Mushrooms | Advances in MicrobiologyThe Ghost Dance: The Origins of Religion by Weston La Barre | AmazonFinasteride: Side Effects, Dosage, Uses, and More | HealthlineStrychnos | The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive PlantsSalvia Divinorum (Ska Pastora) | The Vaults of ErowidErgoline | WikipediaSalvia Divinorum: A Psychopharmacological Riddle and a Mind-Body Prospect | Current Drug Abuse ReviewsBryan RothDaniel SiebertSalvia Divinorum and Ecological Awareness: An Interview with Daniel Siebert | MAPSHow the Drunken Monkey Hypothesis Explains Our Taste for Liquor | The AtlanticIn ‘Stoned Ape’ Theory, Consciousness Has Roots in Psilocybin | InverseNeuropsychedelia: The Revival of Hallucinogen Research since the Decade of the Brain by Nicolas Langlitz | AmazonTimothy Leary’s Transformation from Scientist to Psychedelic Celebrity | WiredSHOW NOTESNote from the editor: Timestamps will be added shortly.
The Sonoran desert toad’s celebrity star is risingThe role of the chemist in preserving plants, animals, and fungi from which compounds are traditionally derivedWho is Howard Lotsof?MicrodosingKen Nelson and the celebrated Bufo Alvarius: The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert pamphletGod molecule vs. just plain old DMTThere are potential downsides to these compounds (even cannabis)Undiscovered compoundsLessons learned and questions pondered from Alexander Shulgin’s thumb surgerySynthetic vs. naturalThe role of ritualCombining traditionsMark’s account of Huautla in the early 2000s.Downsides of psychedelic tourismEffectiveness of fungi vs. frogsWhere do we go in search of new substances?How far back do shamanic traditions go?Poisons as medicines and vice versaSalvia, and stoned vs. drunk apesNicolas Langlitz and the primatology of primatologistsTimothy Leary’s legacyMORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“I think there’s something to be said for maybe just not being stoned all the time. And I say this as somebody that likes cannabis, personally.”
— Hamilton Morris
“I love frogs and they are amazing chemists.”
— Hamilton Morris
“There is no provision for the use of medicines by healthy people.”
— Hamilton Morris
“It wasn’t … until Dennis McKenna adapted laboratory techniques for the cultivation of psilocybin-containing mushrooms and published it in an underground, non-scientific guide intended for lay readers that not only did people recognize that these things grew naturally in the United States, but that they could cultivate them themselves.”
— Hamilton Morris
“Almost everything that we call a poison, under some circumstances — at least conceivably — could have a therapeutic effect.”
— Hamilton Morris
“I think that the history of psychedelics had been profoundly elitist and Timothy Leary was somebody who wanted to break with that tradition of elitism.”
— Hamilton Morris
June 28, 2022
Master Investor Ed Thorp on How to Think for Yourself, Mental Models for the Second Half of Life, How to Be Inner-Directed, How Basic Numeracy Is a Superpower, and The Dangers of Investing Fads (#604)

“An important thing for everyone is to think about the world and society as us instead of me and to try to act that way and to think longer term. Think about how the things one does affects the people around not only right away but down through the years.”
— Edward O. Thorp
Edward O. Thorp (@EdwardOThorp) is the author of the bestseller Beat the Dealer, which transformed the game of blackjack. His subsequent book, Beat the Market, coauthored with Sheen T. Kassouf, influenced securities markets around the globe. He is also the author of A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market.
Edward was one of the world’s best blackjack players and investors, and his hedge funds were profitable every year for 29 years. He lives in Newport Beach, California.
You can find our first conversation here.
Please enjoy!
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch on YouTube here.
Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Vuori comfortable and durable performance apparel, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating. More on all three below.
The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront! Wealthfront pioneered the automated investing movement, sometimes referred to as ‘robo-advising,’ and they currently oversee $28 billion of assets for their clients. It takes about three minutes to sign up, and then Wealthfront will build you a globally diversified portfolio of ETFs based on your risk appetite and manage it for you at an incredibly low cost.
Smart investing should not feel like a rollercoaster ride. Let the professionals do the work for you. Go to Wealthfront.com/Tim and open a Wealthfront account today, and you’ll get your first $5,000 managed for free, for life. Wealthfront will automate your investments for the long term. Get started today at Wealthfront.com/Tim.
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And now, my dear listeners—that’s you—can get $250 off the Pod Pro Cover. Simply go to EightSleep.com/Tim or use code TIM at checkout.
This episode is brought to you by Vuori clothing! Vuori is a new and fresh perspective on performance apparel, perfect if you are sick and tired of traditional, old workout gear. Everything is designed for maximum comfort and versatility so that you look and feel as good in everyday life as you do working out.
Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at VuoriClothing.com/Tim. Not only will you receive 20% off your first purchase, but you’ll also enjoy free shipping on any US orders over $75 and free returns.
Want to hear Ed’s first time on this show? Have a listen to our conversation here, in which we discuss applying math to gambling, beating roulette with the first wearable computer, longevity regimens, impressing Warren Buffett, investment skills that transfer to other areas of life, methods for enacting positive change, lifelong learning, and much more.
#596: Edward O. Thorp, A Man for All Markets — Beating Blackjack and Roulette, Beating the Stock Market, Spotting Bernie Madoff Early, and Knowing When Enough Is EnoughWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Edward O. Thorp:Beat the Dealer: A Winning Strategy for the Game of Twenty-One by Edward O. Thorp | AmazonBeat the Market: A Scientific Stock Market System Edward O. Thorp and Sheen T. Kassouf (PDF) | ResearchGateA Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market by Edward O. Thorp | AmazonEdward O. Thorp, A Man for All Markets — Beating Blackjack and Roulette, Beating the Stock Market, Spotting Bernie Madoff Early, and Knowing When Enough Is Enough | The Tim Ferriss Show #596Stock Warrants vs. Stock Options | InvestopediaCall Option | InvestopediaNumeracy | WikipediaThe Two Cultures and the Scientific Revolution by C.P. Snow | AmazonWhy Averages Are Often Wrong | Towards Data ScienceCompound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) | InvestopediaBad Science: Quacks, Hacks, and Big Pharma Flacks by Ben Goldacre | AmazonSchaum’s Outlines | AmazonCalculating the Day of the Week in Your Head | K5 LearningDoomsday Rule | WikipediaRain Man | Prime Video5 Mind-Blowing Things Kim Peek Could Do That You Can’t | ABARule of 72 | InvestopediaEd Cooke, Grandmaster of Memory, on Mental Performance, Imagination, and Productive Mischief | The Tim Ferriss Show #52 & #53Quit Smoking, Invest, Profit: See How Much You’d Have by Retirement | Make Use OfA Brief History of Equality by Thomas Piketty and Steven Rendall | AmazonMathemagics: How to Look Like a Genius Without Really Trying by Arthur Benjamin and Michael Brant Shermer | AmazonArthur T. Benjamin | The Great CoursesLeading Global Market Maker | Citadel SecuritiesWhat Are Hedge Funds? | InvestopediaInvesting in Amazon Stock (AMZN) | InvestopediaMore Money Than God: Hedge Funds and the Making of a New Elite by Sebastian Mallaby | AmazonThe Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future by Sebastian Mallaby | AmazonExtraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay | AmazonExtraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds | WikipediaCrypto Winter Has Had a Chilling Effect on Coinbase and Robinhood | CNN BusinessHow r/WallStreetBets Gamed the Stock of GameStop | The VergeWhat Your Body Shape (Apple, Pear, Carrot) Means for Your Health | Edward-Elmhurst HealthAvatar | Prime VideoOsteopenia (Low Bone Density): What Is It, Prevention, Symptoms, Causes & Treatment | Cleveland ClinicMediterranean Diet 101: A Meal Plan and Beginner’s Guide | HealthlineMister Rogers Consistently Weighed 143 Pounds. The Significance Behind That Number | BiographyThe World of Guinness9 Famous Thinkers from History Who Were Habitual Walkers | Flâneur LifeClassical Music | WikipediaJazz | WikipediaPreventing the Spread of the Coronavirus | Harvard HealthThe Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes — And Why by Amanda Ripley | AmazonThree Stages of Disaster Response | AvoidDenyDefend.orgHow the Texas Freeze Left an Austin Community in Crisis | VoxThe Lonely Crowd: A Study of the Changing American Character by David Riesman, Nathan Glazer, and Reuel Denney | AmazonYelp and the Wisdom of “The Lonely Crowd” | The New YorkerMyers–Briggs Type Indicator | WikipediaFinasteride: Side Effects, Dosage, Uses, and More | HealthlineSHOW NOTES[06:39] The value of long-term thinking and the price of short-term thinking[07:57] What is a common stock warrant?[09:52] Why are people generally poor at taking longer term (or alternative) perspectives?[11:08] Conversing about numeracy and common misunderstandings[15:00] How to become more numeracy literate[20:18] It’s Raining Man[22:31] The Rule of 72[26:14] Making the best financial decisions with unknown variables[35:57] How to have fun learning about probability and statistics[37:47] How to get an edge in hedge fund investing (with book recommendations)[46:23] Ed’s methods for losing (or maintaining) weight and looking 60 in spite of being almost 90 years old[53:38] Favorite beer[55:03] Music as stress reduction[56:02] Avoiding unnecessary risks[1:04:12] The age-guessing experiment[1:06:17] Other-directed vs. inner-directed and takeaways from The Lonely Crowd by David Riesman[1:14:35] How an 89-year-old maintains hair growth[1:17:20] Using scrap time[1:19:45] A big change in Ed’s later life that increased its quality[1:22:16] New reflections, future hopes, and parting thoughtsMORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“When I meet somebody, I don’t think about them as being in any particular category. I think that as far as I’m concerned, they’re my equal and they know things I don’t know. I probably know things they don’t know too, but I can learn from them. And I usually try to hear what they have to say instead of telling them what I have to say.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“Measurement is important because you want facts on which to base what you do instead of hopes, beliefs, wishes, so on.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“You can work out and be fit and have high aerobics and so on, but if you’re not going in for routine colonoscopies and skin cancer checks and so on, you’re leaving a big risk factor open for yourself. So you’ve got to try to get rid of the risks that you can cover.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“Thinking long-term is one thing that running a marathon teaches us.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“The value of being around good people and not being around a few bad people is much higher than it ever was before.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“An important thing for everyone is to think about the world and society as us instead of me and to try to act that way and to think longer term. Think about how the things one does affects the people around not only right away but down through the years.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“A lot of these things that you make better now, for the future, will actually benefit us a lot sooner than you might think”
— Edward O. Thorp
Ed Thorp, The Man for All Markets — How to Think for Yourself, A Real Estate Cautionary Tale, Hedge Fund History and Warnings, The Incredible Power of Basic Numeracy (and How to Develop It), Thought Experiments on Risk, Popular Delusions, Cryptocurrencies,

“An important thing for everyone is to think about the world and society as us instead of me, and to try to act that way, and to think longer term. Think about how the things one does affects the people around not only right away, but down through the years.”
— Edward O. Thorp
Edward O. Thorp (@edwardothorp) is the author of the bestseller Beat the Dealer, which transformed the game of blackjack. His subsequent book, Beat the Market, coauthored with Sheen T. Kassouf, influenced securities markets around the globe. He is also the author of A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market.
Edward was one of the world’s best blackjack players and investors, and his hedge funds were profitable every year for 29 years. He lives in Newport Beach, California.
You can find our first conversation here.
Please enjoy!
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch on YouTube here.
Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Vuori comfortable and durable performance apparel, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating. More on all three below.

This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront! Wealthfront pioneered the automated investing movement, sometimes referred to as ‘robo-advising,’ and they currently oversee $28 billion of assets for their clients. It takes about three minutes to sign up, and then Wealthfront will build you a globally diversified portfolio of ETFs based on your risk appetite and manage it for you at an incredibly low cost.
Smart investing should not feel like a rollercoaster ride. Let the professionals do the work for you. Go to Wealthfront.com/Tim and open a Wealthfront account today, and you’ll get your first $5,000 managed for free, for life. Wealthfront will automate your investments for the long term. Get started today at Wealthfront.com/Tim.
This episode is brought to you by Eight Sleep! Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover is the easiest and fastest way to sleep at the perfect temperature. It pairs dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking to offer the most advanced (and user-friendly) solution on the market. Simply add the Pod Pro Cover to your current mattress and start sleeping as cool as 55°F or as hot as 110°F. It also splits your bed in half, so your partner can choose a totally different temperature.
And now, my dear listeners—that’s you—can get $250 off the Pod Pro Cover. Simply go to EightSleep.com/Tim or use code TIM at checkout.
This episode is brought to you by Vuori clothing! Vuori is a new and fresh perspective on performance apparel, perfect if you are sick and tired of traditional, old workout gear. Everything is designed for maximum comfort and versatility so that you look and feel as good in everyday life as you do working out.
Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at VuoriClothing.com/Tim. Not only will you receive 20% off your first purchase, but you’ll also enjoy free shipping on any US orders over $75 and free returns.
Want to hear Ed’s first time on this show? Have a listen to our conversation here in which we discuss applying math to gambling, beating roulette with the first wearable computer, longevity regimens, impressing Warren Buffett, investment skills that transfer to other areas of life, methods for enacting positive change, lifelong learning, and much more.
#596: Edward O. Thorp, A Man for All Markets — Beating Blackjack and Roulette, Beating the Stock Market, Spotting Bernie Madoff Early, and Knowing When Enough Is EnoughWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
SCROLL BELOW FOR LINKS AND SHOW NOTES…
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Edward O. Thorp:Beat the Dealer: A Winning Strategy for the Game of Twenty-One by Edward O. Thorp | AmazonBeat the Market: A Scientific Stock Market System Edward O. Thorp and Sheen T. Kassouf (PDF) | ResearchGateA Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market by Edward O. Thorp | AmazonEdward O. Thorp, A Man for All Markets — Beating Blackjack and Roulette, Beating the Stock Market, Spotting Bernie Madoff Early, and Knowing When Enough Is Enough | The Tim Ferriss Show #596Stock Warrants vs. Stock Options | InvestopediaCall Option | InvestopediaNumeracy | WikipediaThe Two Cultures and the Scientific Revolution by C.P. Snow | AmazonWhy Averages Are Often Wrong | Towards Data ScienceCompound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) | InvestopediaBad Science: Quacks, Hacks, and Big Pharma Flacks by Ben Goldacre | AmazonSchaum’s Outlines | AmazonCalculating the Day of the Week in Your Head | K5 LearningDoomsday Rule | WikipediaRain Man | Prime Video5 Mind-Blowing Things Kim Peek Could Do That You Can’t | ABARule of 72 | InvestopediaEd Cooke, Grandmaster of Memory, on Mental Performance, Imagination, and Productive Mischief | The Tim Ferriss Show #52 & #53Quit Smoking, Invest, Profit: See How Much You’d Have by Retirement | Make Use OfA Brief History of Equality by Thomas Piketty and Steven Rendall | AmazonMathemagics: How to Look Like a Genius Without Really Trying by Arthur Benjamin and Michael Brant Shermer | AmazonArthur T. Benjamin | The Great CoursesLeading Global Market Maker | Citadel SecuritiesWhat Are Hedge Funds? | InvestopediaInvesting in Amazon Stock (AMZN) | InvestopediaMore Money Than God: Hedge Funds and the Making of a New Elite by Sebastian Mallaby | AmazonThe Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future by Sebastian Mallaby | AmazonExtraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay | AmazonExtraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds | WikipediaCrypto Winter Has Had a Chilling Effect on Coinbase and Robinhood | CNN BusinessHow r/WallStreetBets Gamed the Stock of GameStop | The VergeWhat Your Body Shape (Apple, Pear, Carrot) Means for Your Health | Edward-Elmhurst HealthAvatar | Prime VideoOsteopenia (Low Bone Density): What Is It, Prevention, Symptoms, Causes & Treatment | Cleveland ClinicMediterranean Diet 101: A Meal Plan and Beginner’s Guide | HealthlineMister Rogers Consistently Weighed 143 Pounds. The Significance Behind That Number | BiographyThe World of Guinness9 Famous Thinkers from History Who Were Habitual Walkers | Flâneur LifeClassical Music | WikipediaJazz | WikipediaPreventing the Spread of the Coronavirus | Harvard HealthThe Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes — And Why by Amanda Ripley | AmazonThree Stages of Disaster Response | AvoidDenyDefend.orgHow the Texas Freeze Left an Austin Community in Crisis | VoxThe Lonely Crowd: A Study of the Changing American Character by David Riesman, Nathan Glazer, and Reuel Denney | AmazonYelp and the Wisdom of “The Lonely Crowd” | The New YorkerMyers–Briggs Type Indicator | WikipediaFinasteride: Side Effects, Dosage, Uses, and More | HealthlineSHOW NOTES[06:39] The value of long-term thinking and the price of short-term thinking[07:57] What is a common stock warrant?[09:52] Why are people generally poor at taking longer term (or alternative) perspectives?[11:08] Conversing about numeracy and common misunderstandings[15:00] How to become more numeracy literate[20:18] It’s Raining Man[22:31] The Rule of 72[26:14] Making the best financial decisions with unknown variables[35:57] How to have fun learning about probability and statistics[37:47] How to get an edge in hedge fund investing (with book recommendations)[46:23] Ed’s methods for losing (or maintaining) weight and looking 60 in spite of being almost 90 years old[53:38] Favorite beer[55:03] Music as stress reduction[56:02] Avoiding unnecessary risks[1:04:12] The age-guessing experiment[1:06:17] Other-directed vs. inner-directed and takeaways from The Lonely Crowd by David Riesman[1:14:35] How an 89-year-old maintains hair growth[1:17:20] Using scrap time[1:19:45] A big change in Ed’s later life that increased its quality[1:22:16] New reflections, future hopes, and parting thoughtsMORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“When I meet somebody, I don’t think about them as being in any particular category. I think that as far as I’m concerned, they’re my equal and they know things I don’t know. I probably know things they don’t know too, but I can learn from them. And I usually try to hear what they have to say instead of telling them what I have to say.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“Measurement is important because you want facts on which to base what you do instead of hopes, beliefs, wishes, so on.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“You can work out and be fit and have high aerobics and so on, but if you’re not going in for routine colonoscopies and skin cancer checks and so on, you’re leaving a big risk factor open for yourself. So you’ve got to try to get rid of the risks that you can cover.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“Thinking long-term is one thing that running a marathon teaches us.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“The value of being around good people and not being around a few bad people is much higher than it ever was before.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“An important thing for everyone is to think about the world and society as us instead of me, and to try to act that way, and to think longer term. Think about how the things one does affects the people around not only right away, but down through the years.”
— Edward O. Thorp
“A lot of these things that you make better now, for the future, will actually benefit us a lot sooner than you might think”
— Edward O. Thorp
June 25, 2022
In Case You Missed It: May 2022 Recap of “The Tim Ferriss Show” (#603)
Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life.
This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.
See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast.
Please enjoy!
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Timestamps:
Edward O. Thorp: 00:01:42
Morgan Fallon: 00:10:14
Richard Wiseman: 00:19:11
Dennis McKenna: 00:31:16
Cal Newport: 00:39:28
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Included episodes:
Please enjoy!
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.

June 23, 2022
Legendary Comedian Bill Burr — Fear{less} with Tim Ferriss (#602)

“When people say they want somebody to work clean, it doesn’t just mean ‘Don’t say any bad words.’ It also means ‘Don’t have any opinions that will make people uncomfortable.'”
— Bill Burr
Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life.
You’ll get plenty of that in this special episode, which features my interview with Bill Burr from my 2017 TV Show Fear{less}. The “less” is in parentheses because the objective is to teach you to fear less, not to be fearless.
Fear{less} features in-depth, long-form conversations with top performers, focusing on how they’ve overcome fears and made hard decisions, embracing discomfort and thinking big.
It was produced by Wild West Productions, and I worked with them to make both the video and audio available to you for free, my dear listeners. You can find the video of this episode on YouTube.com/TimFerriss, and eventually you’ll be able to see all episodes for free at YouTube.com/TimFerriss.
Spearheaded by actor/producer and past podcast guest Vince Vaughn, Wild West Productions has produced a string of hit movies including The Internship, Couples Retreat, Four Christmases, and The Break-Up.
In 2020, Wild West produced the comedy The Opening Act, starring Jimmy O. Yang and Cedric The Entertainer. In addition to Fear{less}, their television credits include Undeniable with Joe Buck, ESPN’s 30 for 30 episode about the ’85 Bears, and the Netflix animated show F is for Family.
Please enjoy!
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch the interview on YouTube here.

This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter that every Friday features five bullet points highlighting cool things I’ve found that week, including apps, books, documentaries, gadgets, albums, articles, TV shows, new hacks or tricks, and—of course—all sorts of weird stuff I’ve dug up from around the world.
It’s free, it’s always going to be free, and you can subscribe now at tim.blog/friday.
What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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Want to hear another episode with a standup comedian? Have a listen to my conversation with Jerry Seinfeld in which we discussed the book that nudged him toward comedy as a potential career, how to generate and maintain a prolific wellspring of creative ideas, why the word “systemize” is such an important part of his personal operating system, self-rewards and other routines that keep him writing, and much more.
#485: Jerry Seinfeld — A Comedy Legend’s Systems, Routines, and Methods for SuccessSELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Bill Burr:Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
Bill’s Monday Morning PodcastF Is for Family | NetflixWhen Bill Burr Went to Battle against the City of Philadelphia | The Laugh ButtonFunny Bone Comedy ClubsRocky | Prime VideoPour Some Sugar On Me by Def Leppard | Amazon MusicWatermelon Pig (Sledge-O-Matic) | GallagherThe Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts | Prime VideoThat Nigger’s Crazy by Richard Pryor | Amazon MusicEddie Murphy by Eddie Murphy | Amazon MusicHit by a Car | Eddie MurphyEmerson CollegeThe Underground Sound of Emerson | WECBDinosaur Jr.Boston’s Comedy Institution | Nick’s Comedy StopKickstart My Heart by Mötley Crüe | Amazon MusicStitches Comedy ClubChocolate Covered Strawberries Delivery Near Me | Shari’s BerriesWild West Production | TwitterThe Simpsons | Prime VideoBig Jump EntertainmentMadison Square GardenLed Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same | Prime Video“Does Anybody Remember Laughter?” -Robert Plant | YouTubeBlack SabbathGuns N’ RosesSHOW NOTES[05:39] 12 magic minutes in Philadelphia[11:39] Bill grew up in Massachusetts, but he lived a Wild West lifestyle.[13:04] How comedy entered the picture and who Bill admired most[15:24] As a kid, what did Bill think he’d be when he grew up?[21:43] Bill’s first time getting on stage[24:49] As a comedian, you never forget the first time you bomb[28:23] Clean Bill Burr vs. Post-Clean Bill Burr[33:39] The comedian’s comedian[35:44] Are Bill’s podcast ads reads — or roasts?[40:10] How Netflix’s F Is for Family came about[47:03] Bill’s idea generation process[50:14] Spotting when young comic talent has “it”[51:37] Dealing with the humorless or otherwise unbearable[54:14] Madison Square Garden[57:33] Bill’s board and parting thoughtsMORE BILL BURR QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“I think somewhere along the line, I just wanted to have a fun job.”
— Bill Burr
“When I was a kid, just making kids laugh was a way to get people to stop beating the shit out of me.”
— Bill Burr
“When people say they want somebody to work clean, it doesn’t just mean ‘Don’t say any bad words.’ It also means ‘Don’t have any opinions that will make people uncomfortable.'”
— Bill Burr
“How do I apologize without apologizing to the 40 drunk soccer moms who all tweeted at the exact same moment so this became a thing for eight seconds yesterday that I now have to address?”
— Bill Burr
“I don’t get this whole thing where somebody secretly videotapes you at a comedy club and then they upload it on the internet and then you have to now apologize to people who weren’t at the show. It’s like, you weren’t at the show and you decided to watch, so why don’t you get mad at the kid who fucking filmed it? That’s it. I am guilty of being a comedian in a comedy club that tried out a joke that didn’t work.”
— Bill Burr
“I’m self-employed, so I don’t need some chocolate-covered strawberry people to pay my rent. I didn’t put myself in that position.”
— Bill Burr
“I’m just going to be a comedian that sells tickets, hopefully. And if that’s all I am, who gives a shit? I’m telling jokes for a living, I’m killing it.”
— Bill Burr
“Even if you’re not going to be fine, isn’t it better to just exist thinking you’re going to be fine until it’s not fine? And then when it’s not fine, then you can just fucking handle it then. But there’s no sense to ruin right now.”
— Bill Burr
June 22, 2022
Jack Kornfield — How to Overcome Apathy and Find Beautiful Purpose (#601)

“We are consciousness. You’re not your body. You have a body, but it’s not who you are. You’re certainly not your thoughts. Oh, my God. If you were your thoughts, we’d be in trouble. They keep changing anyway, one opinion to another. And you’re not your emotions. They come like the tide or the weather. So who are you? Who you are is the awareness itself that was born into this body. You are consciousness.”
— Jack Kornfield
Jack Kornfield (@JackKornfield) trained as a Buddhist monk in the monasteries of Thailand, India, and Burma. He has taught meditation internationally since 1974 and is one of the key teachers to introduce Buddhist mindfulness practice to the West. Jack co-founded the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, Massachusetts, with fellow meditation teachers Sharon Salzberg and Joseph Goldstein and the Spirit Rock Center in Woodacre, California. Over the years, Jack has taught worldwide, led international Buddhist teacher meetings, and worked with many of the great teachers of our time. He holds a PhD in clinical psychology and is a grandfather, husband, and activist. Some of his current projects include MMTCP, a worldwide mindfulness teacher training; Cloud Sangha, a site offering access to expert mindfulness teachers online; and a positive impact Wisdom Ventures fund.
His books have been translated into 22 languages and have sold more than 1.5 million copies. They include The Wise Heart: A Guide to the Universal Teachings of Buddhist Psychology; A Path with Heart; After the Ecstasy, the Laundry; Teachings of the Buddha; The Art of Forgiveness, Lovingkindness, and Peace; Bringing Home the Dharma: Awakening Right Where You Are; and his most recent book, No Time Like the Present: Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy Right Where You Are.
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Want to hear Jack Kornfield’s previous appearance on the podcast? Listen in on our conversation in which we discuss self-care during times of isolation, the four dimensions of freedom, coping with one’s own mortality, what spirituality is really about, abusing sacred medicines, what suicidal ideation is trying to teach us, underrated ways to access the mysteries around us, and much more.
#414: Jack Kornfield — How to Find Peace Amidst COVID-19, How to Cultivate Calm in ChaosWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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No Time Like the Present: Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy Right Where You Are by Jack Kornfield | AmazonJack Kornfield — How to Find Peace Amidst COVID-19, How to Cultivate Calm in Chaos | The Tim Ferriss Show #414Jack Kornfield — Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy in the Present | The Tim Ferriss Show #300Insight Meditation SocietySpirit RockMMTCPCloud SanghaWisdom VenturesThe Wise Heart: A Guide to the Universal Teachings of Buddhist Psychology by Jack Kornfield | AmazonA Path with Heart: A Guide Through the Perils and Promises of Spiritual Life by Jack Kornfield | AmazonAfter the Ecstasy, the Laundry: How the Heart Grows Wise on the Spiritual Path by Jack Kornfield | AmazonTeachings of the Buddha by Jack Kornfield | AmazonThe Art of Forgiveness, Lovingkindness, and Peace by Jack Kornfield | AmazonBringing Home the Dharma: Awakening Right Where You Are by Jack Kornfield | AmazonA Lamp in the Darkness: Illuminating the Path Through Difficult Times by Jack Kornfield | AmazonAudio: Loving-Kindness Meditation | Jack KornfieldThe Healing Power of Love: Guided Meditation with Jack Kornfield | Sounds TrueIn a Politically Polarized Era, Sharp Divides in Both Partisan Coalitions | Pew Research CenterNotable Quotations | Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn CenterDon’t Worry, Be Angry: Anger in Buddhism | Tricycle: The Buddhist ReviewThe Demon Mara, Who Challenged the Buddha | Learn ReligionsReichian Psychotherapy | TherapediaQuerencia | WikipediaMy Healing Journey After Childhood Abuse (Includes Extensive Resource List) | The Tim Ferriss Show #464Hypervigilance Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment | HealthlineMental Health Care Needs in US and 10 Other High-Income Countries | Commonwealth Fund“Trip of Compassion” — The Most Compelling Movie I’ve Seen In The Last Year | Tim FerrissTitanic Lifeboats | Titanic FactsWhat Is a Bodhisattva? | TricycleMarch For Our LivesDC Choir Sings with Jennifer Hudson, ‘The Times They Are a Changin’ at March for Our Lives Rally | WUSA9The 80/20 Principle: The Secret to Achieving More with Less by Richard Koch | AmazonThinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All Beings by John Seed, Joanna Macy, Pat Fleming, and Arne Naess | AmazonThe Council of All Beings | The Rainforest Information CenterWe Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For: Inner Light in a Time of Darkness by Alice Walker | AmazonUnited Nations Conference on Environment and Development, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, 3-14 June 1992 | United NationsThe Paris Agreement | UNFCCCHow Was Avogadro’s Number Determined? | Scientific AmericanEstimations: Your Breath and Julius Caesar’s | FuturismOut-of-Body Experience: What’s Really Happening? | HealthlineA Brief For The Defense by Jack Gilbert | The Sun MagazineThe Grateful DeadAlways Running: La Vida Loca: Gang Days in L.A. by Luis J. Rodriguez | AmazonEmbrace Joy as a Moral Obligation | ieatyoumamaThe Book of Joy: Lasting Happiness in a Changing World by Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu, and Douglas Carlton Abrams | AmazonMission: JOY — Finding Happiness in Troubled Times | Prime VideoTools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers by Tim Ferriss | AmazonA Meditation on Loving-Kindness | Jack KornfieldThich Nhat Hanh on Walking Meditation | Lion’s RoarSHOW NOTES[07:15] Apathy and polarization[08:44] Truth beneath anger[22:40] Ajahn Chah and contractor-ese[26:25] Retuning the tone of rage[33:24] Coping with trauma-induced hypervigilance[41:01] Making group therapeutic models work[47:15] In any effort to make the world better, put on your oxygen mask first[53:19] How can an aspiring Bodhisattva cut through widespread disengagement and apathy?[1:03:57] Thich Nhat Hanh and death[1:15:06] Out-of-body experiences[1:19:40] “A Brief for the Defense”[1:27:12] A guided meditation for recapturing the adventure and joy of childhood[1:38:47] The benefits of loving-kindness meditation[1:47:56] “Last year, foolish monk. This year, no change.”MORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“We resonate with one another. It’s not a complicated thing. You could call it mystical, but if you put a violin on the table and somebody else plays a violin nearby, the strings of both of them will resonate.”
— Jack Kornfield
“If you really look, underneath anger is hurt or fear or some kind of humiliation where you feel like you’ve been disrespected.”
— Jack Kornfield
“I choose to be on the deck of the Titanic, and I’ll help people in the lifeboats.”
— Jack Kornfield
“We are consciousness. You’re not your body. You have a body, but it’s not who you are. You’re certainly not your thoughts. Oh, my God. If you were your thoughts, we’d be in trouble. They keep changing anyway, one opinion to another. And you’re not your emotions. They come like the tide or the weather. So who are you? Who you are is the awareness itself that was born into this body. You are consciousness.”
— Jack Kornfield
“There’s an enviable spirit in children.”
— Jack Kornfield
“We can’t bear our insecurity and we can’t bear the fact that we’re vulnerable in certain ways and that what’s out there is also part of us.”
— Jack Kornfield
“Meditation is not supposed to be a grim duty but rather more an act of adventure and understanding of opening the mind and heart and bringing a sense of well-being.”
— Jack Kornfield