HATECRAFT




Seriously? Maybe it’s just me.

I’m always a little suspicious of people who profess not to be offended by Lovecraft’s racism. Come on. This really doesn’t bother you? You can just overlook it?

I’ll never be able to. For one thing, I’ve seldom met a member of a minority who shared this tolerance. No, it’s pretty much a white thing and usually preceded by a complaint about “pretentious” snobs, you know, them with their fancy grammar and their punctuation. Loud factions within the genre are nothing if not anti-literary.

That’s part of it.

But… why aren’t more people offended? I just don’t get this. Why does old HPL get a free pass when it comes to hate speech? Is it because of the genius of his prose style?

“Cthulhu still lives, too, I suppose, again in that chasm of stone which has shielded him since the sun was young. His accursed city is sunken once more, for the Vigilant sailed over the spot after the April storm; but his ministers on earth still bellow and prance and slay around idol-capped monoliths in lonely places. He must have been trapped by the sinking whilst within his black abyss, or else the world would by now be screaming with fright and frenzy. Who knows the end? What has risen may sink, and what has sunk may rise. Loathsomeness waits and dreams in the deep, and decay spreads over the tottering cities of men. A time will come – but I must not and cannot think! Let me pray that, if I do not survive this manuscript, my executors may put caution before audacity and see that it meets no other eye.”

Does that passage truly inspire anyone to read further? Anyone who hasn’t sustained a cranial injury? Brought into contact with Lovecraft’s writing, even the most erudite scholars fairly gibber. Peter Damien’s recent comments on Book Riot (which nearly caused an actual riot) are not atypical: “A godawful writer. He was so bad. I really cannot stress this enough.” Nor was Edmund Wilson’s famous remark about HPL: “The only real horror in these fictions is the horror of bad taste.” Academics just can’t seem to believe that adults read this sort of thing. I have the same problem.

There must be some reason people support it, because support it they do. Rabidly. A few months ago, someone in the Literary Darkness group made a dismissive remark about Lovecraft and “casual racism.” Leaving aside (for the moment) that the phrase itself is appalling, does this sound casual to anyone?

“The only thing that makes life endurable where Blacks abound is the Jim Crow principle, and I wish they'd apply it in New York both to Niggers and to the more Asiatic types of puffy, ratfaced Jews!”

Or this?

“Of the complete biological inferiority of the negro there can be no question he has anatomical features consistently varying from those of other stocks, and always in the direction of the lower primates.”

Both examples are from HPL’s voluminous letters to editors. (He apparently wrote thousands of these, like some troll who never logged off.) And it’s not as though these attitudes did not bleed over into his fiction. They gushed.

“The negro had been knocked out, and moment’s examination shewed us that he would permanently remain so. He was a loathsome, gorilla-like thing, with abnormally long arms which I could not help calling fore legs, and a face that conjured up thoughts of unspeakable Congo secrets…”

What about this do people admire? And, please, don’t anyone start going on about his “ideas” again. Which inventions seem so brilliant? The giant elbow? The invisible whistling octopus?

In a recent New York Review of Books article, regarding “The New Annotated H.P. Lovecraft,” edited by Leslie S. Klinger, Charles Baxter raises several interesting points. This one in particular struck me: “Klinger notes that Lovecraft’s “support of Hitler’s eugenic programs, including the ‘racial cleansing’ advocated by Ernst Rüdin and others, is well known.” This reader had not known it but upon being informed was not particularly surprised.”

Nor was I. It seems very much in character.

The problem is not that HPL was a product of his time – an excuse I’m also sick of hearing – but that he was a vile product of his time. Sadly, that time seems not to have passed so much as cycled back. The Southern Poverty Law Center tracked nearly a thousand active hate groups in the US last year. Sorry, but I will never not mind. I will remain outraged and disgusted. And that but everybody was a racist back then argument is unpersuasive. Other writers of the period committed themselves to passionate anti-Fascism. Why does Horror continue to make a patron saint of this creep? I can’t help feeling he’s not just getting a pass. It’s almost as though Lovecraft’s bigotry somehow excuses his terrible writing, even justifies it.

I know many people agree: you should see all the private messages praising my courage. Not that I don’t appreciate the support, but come on already. My courage? In voicing an opinion? They have a point though, all these oh, you're so brave to say this out loud folks. To publicly express such sentiments is to antagonize the zealots, and they will come after you. This remains in many ways a cult, complete with an elaborately delusional belief system. For instance, accepted dogma holds that HPL eventually repudiated his fondness for the Nazis.

"By God, I like the boy!"
~ H.P. Lovecraft (about Adolf Hitler), November 1936

HPL died in March of 1937, just a few months after making that statement, so the spasm of sanity must have been brief, if it occurred at all, but pointing this out provokes the fanatics to renewed levels of frenzy, so be careful. These are the same people who claim that his lifelong demented hatefulness has no relevance to his "art." Why then do they insist on painting him as a reformed character? Logic is not the order of the day. Also beware of experts who hyperventilate over HPL's supposed literary merits. Such individuals have an agenda.

Not convinced about the political connection? Check out some of the people who become incensed over any criticism of their idol. Any moment now, comments are sure to start piling up. Just wait. Look at who their other favorite authors are. How shocked will you be? Oh, and don’t forget to check out the list of books they hate as well.

Try to act surprised.

Trust me, it only gets uglier. Fan culture can be deeply reactionary, and the genre has catered to this particular contingent for a very long time. No, I’m sticking with the disgust. Plus there’s that aspect where this is all just so fucking embarrassing. Horror writers often complain about the lack of respect accorded us by the rest of the literary community. Ever think maybe there’s a reason? Or that it might be time for Horror to grow up?

Shudder.

"Of course they can’t let niggers use the beach at a Southern resort – can you imagine sensitive persons bathing near a pack of greasy chimpanzees?" ~ HPL

Any questions?

* * * * *

Martin Luther King Jr. Day (and the recent epidemic of racist violence) prompted me to post this blog. It seems fitting to conclude with this quote.

“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


Notes & Links:

For more information, see this article by Charles Baxter in the New York Review of Books:
"Racism is not incidental to Lovecraft’s vision but is persistent and essential to it."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archi...

The New Annotated H.P. Lovecraft by H.P. Lovecraft




And don't overlook this essay by Laura Miller in Salon:
"His venomous racism is self-evident; it’s right there on the page."
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/11/its_o...

An "in-defense-of" article by Samuel Goldman appears in (where else?) The American Conservative:
"To criticize his stilted dialogue or Gothic affectations is to miss the point."
http://www.theamericanconservative.co...

Also Phenderson Djeli Clark's article – THE ‘N’ WORD THROUGH THE AGES – at Racialicious should not be missed:
"It’s always perplexing to watch the gymnastics of mental obfuscation that occur as fans of Lovecraft attempt to rationalize his racism."
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/2...

Daniel José Older's passionate and insightful piece in The Guardian constitutes required reading:
"The fantasy community cannot embrace its growing fanbase of color with one hand while deifying a writer who happily advocated for our extermination with the other."
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...

Readers might also enjoy taking this quiz.
Who said it? Hitler or Lovecraft?
http://www.beesgo.biz/horp.html
Some of the answers may surprise you.

This bit is from CREATING A DISTURBANCE, my article about the reactionary forces still so prevalent within the genre. It’s in the current issue of Primeval, a Journal of the Uncanny.

“Everything is political, every aspect of life, and all forms of dissent begin in misery. No individual secure within a free society ever hurled a brick at a tank. Only the oppressed know this kind of rage. There are many ways to resist, large ones and small ones, and even reading can be an act of rebellion. The immersion of the self in forbidden thought manifests a quiet defiance. Often, this constitutes the first step… and a dangerously liberating one. On a basic level, horror fiction suggests an exploration of the unknown, but other impulses often dominate, among them a regressive factor apparently built into the foundation of the genre, an aspect grounded in both fear of the unfamiliar and hysterical loathing of difference.”
http://www.amazon.com/Primeval-Journa...

Primeval A Journal of the Uncanny (Primeval #2) by Livia Llewellyn





And this is from my introduction to Enter at Your Own Risk: Fires and Phantoms, a queer-themed anthology of horror stories from Firbolg Publishing.

“There existed a whole universe of such material hidden in plain sight upon the dustiest of library shelves. Edith Wharton’s ghost stories, for instance, fairly vibrated with sexual tensions, even when all the characters were men. As a child, I devoured it all, impressing the hell out of the local librarian and quickly learning to eschew more obvious fare, like H.P. Lovecraft’s luridly paranoid ravings. After all, I empathized only too strongly with the “other” that so terrified him. Plus his prose style always seemed more suggestive of mental illness than artistry.”
http://www.amazon.com/Enter-Your-Own-...

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message 101: by Gerhard (new)

Gerhard Tom wrote: "Robert wrote: "I have not been monitoring these comments (as I think I made my points in the actual blog), but I would like to suggest we speak to each other a bit more courteously. "Wilum" is the ..."

Very well put, sir. I concur fully.

Robert, I am happy to break out my shotguns and dynamite in your defense.


message 102: by Gerhard (last edited Mar 01, 2015 08:56AM) (new)

Gerhard E wrote: "Gerhard wrote: "E wrote: "Guys,Have you seen Joshi response?
Rob have you seen it?
He is really pissed
http://stjoshi.org/news.html"

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with a bazooka


Mr Joshi made a rather sweeping, all-inclusive statement that is difficult to defend on an a priori basis (that he is the best-versed in Literature while all of us are hicks, and that his opinion of HPL is The Only One That Matters[TM]).

Having said that, Mr Joshi is perfectly entitled to his response and views.

Live long and prosper, as the (late) Mr. Spock once said.


message 103: by Gerhard (new)

Gerhard E wrote: "Gerhard wrote: "E wrote: "Guys,Have you seen Joshi response?
Rob have you seen it?
He is really pissed
http://stjoshi.org/news.html"

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with a bazooka:

Mr Joshi made a rather sweeping, all-inclusive statement that is difficult to defend on an a priori. Let alone that of literary merit.

Having said that, he is perfectly entitled to his response and views.

Live long and prosper, as the (late) Mr. Spock once said.


Well,..."



message 104: by David (new)

David Hammann I have to point out that Lovecraft was never a great supporter of Hitler, he wasn't that passionate about life outside New England and Britain. And he turned against Hitler when a German teacher who he shared a house with returned from a trip to Germany and told him about Kristalnacht and Jews being beaten in the streets. This information is in his letters.


message 105: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd sweeping statement? Yep, possibly, it fits in with some other theories I have.


message 106: by Gerhard (new)

Gerhard David wrote: "I have to point out that Lovecraft was never a great supporter of Hitler, he wasn't that passionate about life outside New England and Britain. And he turned against Hitler when a German teacher wh..."

Thanks for that clarification, David. It just goes to show how important it is to consider a writer in his milieu. Of course, agendas do change, largely motivated by current concerns (I often wonder at how schizoid our current world is, torn between rampant fundamentalism on the one hand and anaemic political correctness on the other. Strange bedfellows, and all that.)


message 107: by Robert (last edited Mar 22, 2015 09:08AM) (new)

Robert Dunbar David wrote: "I have to point out that Lovecraft was never a great supporter of Hitler, he wasn't that passionate about life outside New England and Britain. And he turned against Hitler when..."

As late as November of 1936, HPL was still supportive of Hitler, though some qualifications had begun to creep into his writing. (I seem to remember he decided that Hitler's methods were "unscientific," though he still applauded his goals.) Then of course HPL was dead by March of 1937, so this period of enlightened sanity must have been of fairly brief duration.


message 108: by Tom (last edited Mar 03, 2015 08:41PM) (new)

Tom Mathews I just saw this post about an upcoming book that touches on both Lovecraft and racism. Sounds intriguing.

Coming Soon! LOVECRAFT COUNTRY by Matt Ruff



message 109: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd love the book jacket design.


message 110: by Robert (last edited Mar 22, 2015 09:09AM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Intriguing. Can't you just imagine how the Great One would have reacted? Oh wait, we don't have to imagine it.


When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove’s fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th’Olympian host conceiv’d a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

~ H.P. Lovecraft


message 111: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd Whoa!!! What a sick man he was.


message 112: by Robert (last edited Mar 22, 2015 09:09AM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Rebecca wrote: "Whoa!!! What a sick man he was."

As you pointed out, he was the mentally ill product of mentally ill parents. I can loathe the filth he spewed all his life and still feel pity for the poor soul.


message 113: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd I hope you'll find my short story, loosely based on him, interesting when I manage to finish it, should you read it, that is, as it exactly responds to what you've just written above.


message 114: by David (new)

David Hammann Lovecraft was a truly strange man. He wrote that horrible poem posted above. But I just reread THE CASE OF CHARLES DEXTER WARDS. Ward is a semi-autobiographical character who discovers a warlock in his family tree from colonial times. He tracks down this ancestor's original house which has a poor blue-collar black family living in it. They let him explore the house and he and the black family are very kind and civil to each other. It is only a brief episode but Lovecraft does not treat the family negatively or with condescension


message 115: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar David wrote: "Lovecraft was a truly strange man. He wrote that horrible poem posted above. But I just reread THE CASE OF CHARLES DEXTER WARDS. Ward is a semi-autobiographical character who discovers a warlock..."

Yes, that story, which I've never been able to wade through, is often pointed out as an example of HPL being atypically patronizing, rather than overtly hateful. I've also now seen several "stop picking on Lovecraft" articles that make a big point of declaring NO PROOF EXISTS THAT HE EVER JOINED THE NAZI PARTY.

Now there's something to brag about.


message 116: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd 'Lovecraft was an uneven craftsman at best – his stories clunk along, overburdened with adjectives and stale characters. It’s his world-building and imagination that helped solidify his legacy, but even that is tainted by a failure of craft and humanity. He detailed his rabid, paranoid racism in many letters, and it permeates his mythos. Lovecraft peopled his fiction with hordes of swarthy, child-killing and abjectly stupid black and brown people, while women are almost non-existent.'
The above is a quote from the article below, and of course the Lovecraft cultists, because that's what they are, would call this critique moronic. Ha.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...


message 117: by Rebecca (last edited Mar 06, 2015 02:39AM) (new)

Rebecca Lloyd I just had a very wicked thought, which was that he wouldn't have been much good in Hitler's gang because he wouldn't be able to do the salute as it involves raising your arm above the level of your head, and if he did that, his arm would drop off...[just saying....]


message 118: by Robert (last edited Jun 20, 2015 12:28PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Rebecca wrote: "he wouldn't be able to do the salute as it involves raising your arm above the level of your head, and if he did that, his arm would drop off..."

People probably don't realize that the poor soul was raised to believe this by his demented mother. I take back what I said earlier about having sympathy for the man. He is not deserving of sympathy. But pity? Definitely pity.


message 119: by Robert (last edited Mar 07, 2015 12:01PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar BTW, that's a brilliant article. Thanks for posting it. (I gather the author has also been attacked by Joshi for daring to voice his opinion. Silencing dissent seems to be the order of the day. Increasingly, these people do appear to behave like some sort of cult.)


"...the fantasy community cannot embrace its growing fanbase of color with one hand while deifying a writer who happily advocated for our extermination with the other... the lionizing, sugarcoating and kneejerk flurry to defend and silence uncomfortable histories has to stop..."

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...


message 120: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd Excellent quote, and I think there is absolutely no doubt that their behaviour and responses are 'cultish.'


message 121: by Robert (last edited Mar 22, 2015 09:12AM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Can we just be clear about what we're condoning?


"By God, I like the boy!"
~ H.P. Lovecraft (about Adolf Hitler), November 1936

(This was in response to a comment that, like so many in this discussion, mysteriously vanished once responded to.)


message 122: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd ... that would've been a year before HP died, wouldn't it? Hitler was born one year before him and died 8 years after him. Odd to call a man the same age as you a 'boy.'


message 123: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Among so many more notably odd aspects.


message 124: by David (new)

David Hammann So those of us who really enjoy his fiction are a cult? Then Viva La Culte! The Cult Triumphant!

When he died he was an almost forgotten pulp writer and almost 80 years later he has been printed in dozens of editions including Oxford, Easton and Library of America Press. I will agree his fiction cannot be enjoyed by many, but so what, so are most things, we don't care. In another 80 years almost all the books by the popular fiction writers of today, ESPECIALLY the writers who consciously wrote not to offend anyone, will be in landfills or untouched in basement library sales. Lovecraft will still be in print, read and enjoyed, just like Wodehouse, Heinlein, Chandler, Kerouac, Conan Doyle, Asimov, Tolkien, and all the other Great Cult Writers. All these writers have cult popularity because they are brilliant. (And many brilliant people still have unforgiving and unpleasant sides of their nature, that's human nature), but that brilliance transcends their work and is why their writings are rediscovered and enjoyed by Every New Generation, - while their critics and their opinions are sneered or laughed at ignored and eventually forgotten.

Lovecraft biggest and most important critic was Edmund Wilson, but most of Lovecraft's readers today don't know who he was or even care. Many readers today don't know who Wilson was or care! Ha! Take that Eddy! You didn't make cult status.

And take that all you smug and pompous critics! I'll let you return to your hysteria


message 125: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews David wrote: "And take that all you smug and pompous critics!"

Spiteful, are we?


message 126: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd This is from Grim Reviews, it took me a second to find, David:
Moreover, Wilson's worst jibes against HPL as a "hack" and a writer whose only true horror was "bad taste and bad art," are considered to be simply wrong. S.T. Joshi, Robert M. Price, and a myriad of other professional scholars who have sprung up around Lovecraft since the late '70s have answered the question of whether or not Lovecraft deserves study on a scholarly level with a resounding yes. And that reply immediately defeats the most misguided claims of Wilson, which are also the worst sticking points for Lovecraftians and the origin of their hostile view of Wilson.

However, is the cursory appearance of Wilson as a butcher of an earlier serious treatment of Lovecraft correct? As with most issues in scholarship, not quite. Wilson has two important other features only touched on by most Lovecraft examiners calm enough to evaluate the 1945 piece by Wilson with a semi-objective lens. Often obscured in the fray of Wilson's place in Lovecraftian history as HPL's worst critic are the good observations he had of Lovecraft. Even less recognized are the slightly prophetic features of Wilson's 1945 analysis: his descriptions of a growing Lovecraftian "cult;" not only an adept description of the Lovecraft Circle at the time, but an indicator of the Cthulhu Mythos known today.

Edmund Wilson continues to be regarded as one of America's greatest critics not just because of his wit and style, but because of thorough treatment of his cases.


message 127: by Rebecca (last edited Mar 12, 2015 01:59AM) (new)

Rebecca Lloyd the following observation in that article is interesting because normally criticism of a writer wouldn't cause his readers to react that strongly, because, I mean who cares? But criticism of a cult figure triggers off great emotion, and obviously the writer of the article saw that too:-

'Wilson has two important other features only touched on by most Lovecraft examiners calm enough to evaluate the 1945 piece by Wilson with a semi-objective lens.'


message 128: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd ... but at any rate, it is an established fact that cults have grown up around this particular man. That's what I have been saying, I have NOT been saying:- 'So those of us who really enjoy his fiction are a cult?' Like most people do, you have taken the essence of what I said and bent it into a different more alarming shape, [it's a common tactic in argument or debate, but it's one that has to be challenged, because it doesn't progress anything]. I'd like now to bend it back to how I intended it in the first place.


message 129: by Robert (last edited Jun 20, 2015 12:31PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar David wrote: "And take that all you smug and pompous critics! I'll let you return to your hysteria..."

I often find myself wondering if there's a word for this. You know? When someone thinks they're refuting your point but are actually demonstrating it?

This gentleman joined Goodreads on the day what’s-his-name blogged that attack on me. He’s listed no books, added no friends, joined no groups, and posted no comments… except here. Clearly, he’s on a mission to defend the honor of his idol. Nothing cult-like about it. Nope.


message 130: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd Yes, I think in psychology it would be called 'projecting' where you try to make an opponent, [imagined perhaps], admit to having your own characteristics. It's a sort of 'squid's ink' effect... the pun there entirely intended. Lol.
I'd be interested to read what's his name's attack on you Robert.


message 131: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Rebecca wrote: "I'd be interested to read what's his name's attack on you Robert..."

I think the link appears about twenty times in the comments above. Enjoy.


message 132: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd oh, yes of course, I did read it. At the risk of seeming to 'project' the words pompous and smug surface in my moronic mind.


message 133: by Tom (new)

Tom Mathews Rebecca wrote: "oh, yes of course, I did read it. At the risk of seeming to 'project' the words pompous and smug surface in my moronic mind."

Hah!


message 134: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd I'm new to HP. I probably mentioned earlier that I'm using a bit of his background, [at the same time as inventing pure fiction], for a story that I'm writing at the moment, so this morning I read 'From Beyond' and so, okay this is 'cosmic horror' and has it's own niche I expect. But I found it deeply boring, slightly camp, hysterical, cold, and rather like reading a comic. This is a quote from it:-

“You see them? You see them? You see the things that float and flop about you and through you every moment of your life? You see the creatures that form what men call the pure air and the blue sky? Have I not succeeded in breaking down the barrier; have I not shewn you worlds that no other living men have seen?” I heard him scream through the horrible chaos, and looked at the wild face thrust so offensively close to mine. His eyes were pits of flame, and they glared at me with what I now saw was overwhelming hatred. The machine droned detestably.
“You think those floundering things wiped out the servants? Fool, they are harmless! But the servants are gone, aren’t they? You tried to stop me; you discouraged me when I needed every drop of encouragement I could get; you were afraid of the cosmic truth, you damned coward, but now I’ve got you! What swept up the servants? What made them scream so loud? . . . Don’t know, eh? You’ll know soon enough! Look at me—listen to what I say—do you suppose there are really any such things as time and magnitude? Do you fancy there are such things as form or matter? I tell you, I have struck depths that your little brain can’t picture! I have seen beyond the bounds of infinity and drawn down daemons from the stars. . . . I have


message 135: by Robert (last edited Jun 20, 2015 12:32PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Rebecca wrote: "oh, yes of course, I did read it. At the risk of seeming to 'project' the words pompous and smug surface in my moronic mind."

I know. Hilarious. Two thousand words on how obscure and insignificant I am. And yet he seems to be monitoring my blog...

Few things give me more pleasure than having my work praised by a writer I respect and admire. For artists of any sort, there’s a thrill of validation in that. But there’s a similar thrill in being vilified by someone this odious: it’s the highest form of flattery.


message 136: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Good points. (I've never been much of a Howard fan, but he's Proust by comparison.)


message 137: by Tom (last edited Mar 12, 2015 12:08PM) (new)

Tom Mathews Troy wrote: "For what it's worth, I think the reason it reads like a comic book is precisely because Lovecraft wrote pulps, which are the direct precursor to the comic book. The pulp age and the golden age of ..."

Troy's comments reminded me that my favorite cartoonist, Wil Eisner, didn't always portray minorities with grace and dignity. The Spirit's sidekick, Ebony White, was at best, a stereotypical caricature. Nevertheless, he is so highly regarded today that the comic industry's highest award bears his name. Perhaps HPL would have come to his senses and recanted his more unsavory views had he lived long enough.




message 138: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Uh huh.


message 139: by Robert (last edited Mar 22, 2015 09:15AM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Can't help seeing something a bit more nefarious here -- hordes of pulp fans who are just so sophisticated that they can overlook the hate and just focus on the "artistry." Why do I suspect that a lot of these people don't venerate Lovecraft DESPITE the racism?


message 140: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar I don't seem to recall Bugs Bunny praising Hitler at any point.


message 141: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Yes, but there's a world of difference between "wrong" and "evil."


message 142: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Troy wrote: "I take that as a sign that we learned something..."

Amen to that.


message 143: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd thank you for coming into the conversation Troy.


message 144: by Robert (last edited Mar 13, 2015 02:18PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Rebecca wrote: "... that would've been a year before HP died, wouldn't it?"

Just about three months really. Maybe a little longer.


message 145: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Lloyd my maths gorn mad? Lol


message 146: by Robert (last edited Mar 13, 2015 01:04PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar Troy wrote: "Speaking as one who continues to read a lot of pulps and listens to their radio show counterparts, I think it's one of those cases where if you absorb enough of it, you learn to accept this is how it was back then..."

Of course. But the real problem is that legions of people within the genre do not perceive HPL as just some amusingly loony pulp writer from days of yore. (And they use words like 'yore.' And 'ye.' And 'verily.') Unknown in his lifetime and justifiably obscure in the period after his death, HPL was later promoted by publishers and editors with agendas of their own. (I’m sure we can all work out what those agendas might have been.) In the genre of Mary Shelley and Shirley Jackson and Robert Aickman and Henry James and Edith Wharton and Gustav Meyrink… who is venerated?

You guessed it.

“Lovecraft isn’t merely a good writer but a great writer, and anyone who doesn’t agree is an ignoramus.”

As Proust so often said, “Cthulhu fhtagn.”

If I may quote my own blog, people within the genre often "complain about the level of disdain with which they are viewed by the rest of the literary world.” Ever think there might be a reason? To this day, HPL remains a sort of wooden stake driven through the brain of Horror.

"By God, I like the boy!"
~ H.P. Lovecraft (about Adolf Hitler), November 1936

A day will come when the lunatics are no longer running this particular asylum. Ye and verily.


message 147: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar In a saner, smarter world, absolutely. Sadly...


message 148: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Troy wrote: "Lovecraft is like that little bug in front of the spotlight that casts a big shadow. In the end, he's nothing special. His shadow is all an illusion ..."

Beautifully put.


message 149: by Robert (last edited Mar 13, 2015 02:16PM) (new)

Robert Dunbar You're welcome. (BTW, quite enjoying your blog as well, though I swear I'm not stalking you. Much.)


message 150: by Robert (new)

Robert Dunbar Wonderfully eclectic. I mean, Richard II and James Bond? How could I resist?


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