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Cosmic Arcata I think what you quoted is so true. War is like a shell game. These countries would not give up their borders willingly....so let it be a game. Now when you mix this book with Ring Lardner....book "You Know Me Al" this puts the game in perspective. Plus there is a point where Holden goes into the closet to get some clippers for Ackley and a racket falls on his head and Ackley nearly dies from laughter. Well I found this classic...which relates to The 39 Steps only it is nonfiction. "WAR IS A RACKET"
http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Anti...

I am reading Ulysses which I think Salinger adopted some of the style of...a hero journey...say one thing but it is all rhetorical....or said out of the side of one's mouth...with puns or innuendo. So that people interpret it based on how they feel rather than finding a deeper connection to the time in which it was written.

All that to say that I am reading http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhel...

This book goes more into the Cabal (a word you will find in the Catcher). It is a 19th novel and he writes about "those chaps" even has a scene of Hamlet (a connection with both Ulysses and the catcher, have you read it?) And has a secret society initiation. Also a reflection with the "puppet shows"and theater"...the same themes in the Catcher.

I am reading it now for the second time.


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Cosmic Arcata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSgga...

This reminds me of the Catcher as you have the truth...the script with the vaudeville or Hollywood sound tracks...or the cliff notes new speak and the regurgitating teachers so smug as they have learned their parts so perfectly and are qualified to test the children to make sure they got it too.


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Cosmic Arcata Did you catcher the quote about Zambesi?

This is the name of the teacher that was looking out the window when Holden and his class mates were passing the football. (of course we have discussed this as a m,etaphore for war)
When you read about it in The 39 Steps you
"I told Sir Walter about tiger-fish in the Zambesi that bite off your fingers if you give them a chance and we discussed sport up and down the GLOBE, for he had hunted a pit in his day."

In the Catcher it says this:

Anyway, it was December and all (1942 when we entered the war)...I only had on my reversible (the hat is also reversible as he keeps turning it around though it is not mentioned here.) and no gloves or anything. (Gloves are a huge motif in the Catcher.) The week before that, sombody'd stolen my camel's-hair coat out of my room, with my fur-lined gloves right in the pocket and all. (gloves and pocket are big motifs. Camels live in Africa. Pockets are where people put their money.) Pencey was full of crooks. Quite f afew guys came from these very wealthy families, but it wad fusll of crooks anyway. The more expensive a school is, (the more entitled the families are the more connections they make), the more crooks it has-- I'm not kidding....."
Anyway I am trying to feel some kind of good-by."
I was lucky. All of a sudden I thought of something that helped me know I was getting the HELL OUT....
Look up Tichener (one of the guys that he was throwing the ball around with.

The onl;y connection I can make with windows

"This teacher that taought biology, Mr. Zambesi, stuck his head out of the window in the academic building and told us to go back to the dorm and get ready for dinner. If I get a chance to remember that kind of stuff, I can get a good-by when I need one--at least, most of the time i can."

so the other place where windows are a big motiff is (besides in The Catcher)_ is David Copperfield. just do a search on "window' in gutenberg version of David Copperfield.

I need to reread this book.

ok I have to go.


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