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Some thing along these lines?Current
Cover artists should NOT be listed in the author fields. Cover artists may be noted in the description field.
Suggested
The following roles should NOT be added as a named individual with role to editions:
Editor (unless a compiler of stories in an anthology or non fiction or no named single author), general editors of novels or where there is a named author should not have an editor added.
Proofreaders
Cover artists should NOT be listed in the author fields. Cover artists may be noted in the description field.
Do not add the role of author to named individuals where the individual is the author
The following roles are acceptable as named individuals and should be used as specified by the help tool tip on the role field.
Illustrator
Translator
Editor (of anthologies or compiled works)
Narrator
Contributor
I was thinking something along these lines.Author
No Primary Author
If the book does not have a primary author a suitable replacement should be inserted. This can be an Editor, in the case of anthologies, or a publishing company. In the case of books with no editor and multiple authors, the author listed first on the cover should be listed as the primary author.
Inappropriate Replacements
Translator
Illustrator
Narrator, etc
Click the "add role" link next to the text box and input the replacements role.
Example:
[ John Smith ] [ Editor ]
Roles should always be added using the "add role" feature next to the author name, and not by adding it in ( ) following the author name.
For audiobooks or translated editions, this field should list the author of the original work and not the narrator or translator.
Author Pseudonyms or Pen Names
Some authors write or have written under multiple names. When editing or adding information for a book written by an author with multiple names, enter the author's name as on the front cover as the primary author. The author's other names may be added as an addition author.
Example
L.A. Banks
Leslie Esdaile Banks
Original name or other pen names can be added and linked via a Librarian Note: in the description field, or using the Librarian Note feature located above the Title field. In some cases, a book may be originally published under a pen name, but then later reissued under the author's original name. When this happens, the author listed for any and all editions should be the author name the book was originally published under - so the reissued edition would need its author name changed to the originally published pen name. Doing this will allow the various editions to be combined.
add new author (add role)
If there are multiple authors of a book, or persons with other roles, click on the "add new author" link below the first author field and a new text box will appear. Enter in a second author's name - or editor's, illustrator's, etc name - being sure to use correct spelling and formatting.
For audiobooks or translated editions this field can be used to list narrators or translators.
Other Suitable Contributors
Foreword
Afterword
Introduction, etc.
Unsuitable Contributors
Cover Artist
Proof-Reader
Copy-Editor, etc.
Make sure to use the second text field box to enter the contributors role.
If there is a third author/editor/etc, click the "add new author" link again and input the necessary information. Follow this procedure until all pertinent people are listed.
When a book has multiple authors they should be listed according to the order they show on the cover, if possible. The order also needs to be the same for any/all editions of the same book. This will allow for editions to be combined. If two editions of the same multi-author book do not have the same author listed first, the books can not be combined. So it is important to list multiple authors correctly.
i remember thread(s) mentioning contibutor(s) of foreword, introduction, etc. that can also be put in the author field.I saw (and also add & edited) some of them with various roles (e.g. foreword, foreword by, introduction, introduction note, introduction by, etc.).
Please also add how to standardized (or not?) these roles.
Why do we hate cover artists? In some genres the cover art is part of the experience.
That is just GR's policy. For graphic novels I can see them being noteworthy, but as stated they can be added in the books description... NOT in the author field.
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That is not a fair representation of GR policy. We don't hate cover artists, or proofreaders, or editors, or cover designers. We just don't consider them secondary authors of a book. Any or all of the above may be noted in the book's description field.
rivka wrote: "...That is not a fair representation of GR policy. We don't hate cover artists, or proofreaders, or editors, or cover designers. We just don't consider them secondary authors of a book. Any or all of the above may be noted in the book's description field. "OK, maybe "hate" was a poor choice of words.
Artists like Alan Lee, Frank Kelly Freas, Frank Frazetta and many lesser known ones have Goodreads pages on the strength of their interior art and ONLY their interior art. Just seems an odd limitation. How often have WE picked up a book on the strength of the cover?
[goes off to find bottle and chocolate]
Contributors to the book should never be listed as the primary author.Actually, there are times when they might. Sometimes you get a few authors who have each contributed a novella to a book without an editor; in that case, the first contributing author listed on the cover gets the primary slot. Or, for an omnibus edition of two books by different authors, the contributing author of the first book gets the primary slot.
Okay cool Cait. I will change that to accommodate that.
On a new note, I noticed something in the name Michael J. Sullivan (apparently there are at least two listed here). I checked the upcoming book, Unfettered, and it has the wrong Sullivan linked there. From reading that book's blogs the fantasy writer (who did the Riyria Revelations), Michael J. Sullivan, should actually be linked there as a contributor. I tried editing it, but I don't see a way to paste the right author's link to the name. Any ideas?
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Please keep how-to discussions in other threads, not ones devoted to editing the manual.
how about books that was published by government offices or organization(s) local and/or international, with no information of the author or editor? i think it can fall into "unknown" or "various", but somehow it feels wrong.At the moment i put the government office/organization name as the author and the publisher. is that acceptable?
if it is, please also add it to the librarian manual.
thanks.
Nenangs wrote: "how about books that was published by government offices or organization(s) local and/or international, with no information of the author or editor? i think it can fall into "unknown" or "various",..."This is what I've done the few times when there isn't any clear authorship. In fact the last time I did it, rivka was the one who said it should be done that way. I'm assuming that it isn't in the manual 'cause it doesn't really show up that often.
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Yes. Also, whenever possible, we'd rather have an actual human author.
I was commenting on that because lately I found some countries name in the author field, when actually it should be government offices or some other organizations.example:
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
and that was for indonesia only. I dare to edit indonesian books, but not other country's.
the thread i posted in the librarion group:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...
rivka wrote: "lafon حمزة wrote: "I'm assuming that it isn't in the manual 'cause it doesn't really show up that often."Yes. Also, whenever possible, we'd rather have an actual human author."
of course, whenever i found the actual human author i put their names instead of the offices.
My book "The Inner Circle" has my name as Mr. Rico Lanzo and so it is not appearing on my shelf as written by me, Please change the name to simple read "Rico Lanzo" so that it will appear on my shelf. Thank You.
The book How to Raise Successful children just appeared on my author profile (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16...), but this must be another Joe Wilkins--I'm definitely NOT the author of it!Thanks,
Joe
Joe wrote: "The book How to Raise Successful children just appeared on my author profile (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16...), but this must be another Joe Wilkins--I'..."Removed the book from your profile Joe.
Parul wrote: "#19 Done :)"Sorry I'm late in thanking you, but i'm only slowly learning how to use goodreads tools.... so.... thank you.
best of life,
Rico
Rico wrote: Sorry I'm late in thanking you, but i'm only slowly learning how to use goodreads tools.... so.... thank you...Not a problem Rico. Have a good day!
(Parul, please also remember the disambig note for new author profiles! Librarian Note: There is more than one author in the Goodreads database with this name.)
Krystal109 wrote: "I was thinking something along these lines.Author
No Primary Author
If the book does not have a primary author a suitable replacement should be inserted. This can be an Editor, in the case of an..."
Just to be clear, for a novel, illustrators are allowed in the author field as an additional role but cover artists are not allowed, correct? I thought neither was acceptable in the author field and if necessary would need to be noted in the description.
Rhonda wrote: "Just to be clear, for a novel, illustrators are allowed in the author field as an additional role but cover artists are not allowed, correct? "The only things that go in the 'author' field are names. 'Illustrator' goes in the 'role' field.
But yes, illustrators who do INTERIOR illustrations get added as authors (with illustrator in the role field) to books. Cover illustrators, however, don't get added.
"Please note that editors should only be added for records like anthologies and reference materials. Novels and other works of fiction should not have editors listed."I'd like to put this under discussion. For academic editions of classic novels, the editor plays a very important role. I always add an editor in those cases (Oxford University Press World's Classics v. Penguin Classics etc.)
I tend to use the following rules: If the editor is credited on the cover as such and it's one of the following, I add them: academic editions, textbooks, non-fiction, anthologies.
For novels and fiction I don't. It's exceedingly rare to see an editor credited on the cover, and they're usually amateur efforts when it happens.
Academic editions do tend to specifically credit the editor, especially if they have added substantial extra material such as the foreword or introduction - then you just have to pick which of those to put in the role.
I'd be interested in discussing an exemption to the cover artist rule for graphic novels. These are often published in multiple internally identical collectible editions at the same time, with the only difference being cover artists. This is, as far as I know, the only genre this happens in, but within the genre it's fairly common (even more common for the actual individual issues though, which aren't GR material, so I can see the argument to simply treat the TP Graphic Novels the same as any other ACE.)
Editors do sometimes get credited on the cover of fiction. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
In this case I would always add the editor as an author.
I would like to see cover artists added.
That's exactly the kind of academic edition we're talking about Banjomike. And I would too, because they're clearly credited on the cover.I meant, non-academic, general mass market novels, do not credit their editors (and oughtn't, since those editors are performing an entirely different function.)
In case of many illustrated children's books, only the illustrator's name is mentioned on the book cover. Author's name is mentioned at the inner pages. Some GR book entries have the author listed first, while others have the Illustrator listed first, which brings problems when combining editions.
In this case, author goes first, even though only the illustrator is mentioned on the book cover?
Xrysath wrote: "In this case, author goes first, even though only the illustrator is mentioned on the book cover?"Are these perhaps adaptations?
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Xrysath wrote: "In this case, author goes first, even though only the illustrator is mentioned on the book cover?"Are these perhaps adaptations?"
I put this under question /discussion, as I couldn't find a related topic in librarian's manual.
I understood that, Xrysath. But the question about adaptations matters.Do you have an example?
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http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/9...
especially post # 12 - 16
re-typed & re-phrased suggestion:
Please have an update in the librarian manual re:what is allowed and not allowed in author fields, to officialized the consensus in the discussion.
I'm seeing editors & copy-editors (of novel, not anthologies), proofreaders, & cover artist (listed as illustrators) in the author field lately.
thank you.