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Burned (Dani O'Malley Trilogy #2)(Fever Book #7) **Not Yet Released **
Kim wrote: "All the people that were worried about Dani & Ryo hooking up and the age difference thing, I don't see that happening. I don't think Ryodan looks at Dani as a potential lover, I ..."I completely agree with you here. I think there's a small chance that we may see some Dani/Ryo, but not until Dani's older. Ryodan's a depraved bastard, but he's not a pedophile. No way is going after Dani until she's at least reached age of consent. I hope. The vibe KMM gave off around Ryo was very confusing. I'm not really sure what's going on in his head. To be honest, I had a hard time getting to know any character besides Dani.
I don't hate Jo. I think she's being naive and is going to get hurt, but I don't dislike her. I do think she's kind of boring though; I don't care much about her.
I think Barrons is always going to be one of my favorite characters. Ryodan just can't compare right now. But hey, maybe he'll surprise me.
All I can say is poor Kat. She is in a mess & I really feel for her. I need to refresh myself on the Dreaming. Is it real? Can Cruce turn her pri-ya there? Does it only feel real? Gah memory loss is a terrible thing.
I don't think the dreaming is real. It is just a very realistic feeling dream. He can't turn her pri-ya there or I think he would have already.
Didnt barrons or christian say u could get to the dreaming through the silvers? Im not sure where kmm is going with Kat. Why can't she feel any of ryodans men? I was hoping she could feel them and perhaps her and kateo would evovle but kmm didnt even mention kateo.
Kimberly wrote: "All I can say is poor Kat. She is in a mess & I really feel for her. I need to refresh myself on the Dreaming. Is it real? Can Cruce turn her pri-ya there? Does it only feel real? Gah memory loss is a terrible thing..."I know! I thought there was no way I needed to reread any of the books, because I just reread them this spring. Ummmm...
Lisa wrote: "Im not sure where kmm is going with Kat. Why can't she feel any of ryodans men? I was hoping she could feel them and perhaps her and kateo would evovle but kmm didnt even mention kateo. "Reminded me of Sookie Stackhouse and vampires. They can block their thoughts from puny humans - and she is drawn to that because it's such a relief.
Hmm, it's probably years away, but I like your Kasteo/Kat idea - since he's not speaking after the loss of his love (I remember THAT at least) and she will be mourning the loss of her first love (Sean of the two-bit evil OBannions!).
Can we say based on the theories... the 8 are infiltrating the sidhe-seers...lol
I feel like I skimmed a lot of the sidhe-seer parts during the fever books to get to anything Barron's and now I need to go back and re-read!!!
Hahahah it's definitely safe to say that the 8 are worming their way into the sidhe-seers' world!That's a really good idea about Kasteo/Kat. But if she can't sense him, I'm not sure if she'll be able to pull him out. I got the feeling, from Barrrons' description anyway, that Kasteo isn't going to get better.
I was very confused about Dani and Ryo's relationship. Will it be romantic, mentor or just to use her to his advantage?I would get glimpses as to Ryo's interest in Dani, like him getting arroused after seeing her almost naked or when he was walking to the club with Dani and Christian was on the roof and C says if what Ryo showed him is true, then Ryo is interested in Dani the same way Christian is. And when the time comes he wants to be the one for Dani. Or when he finds out Dani was in Christians bed and he got all silent and lethal.
But then I got all confused because of the way Ryo behaved with Jo. Holding her and stuff. Do you guys think he did it just because he knows Jo matters to Dani? I just really do not like Jo with Ryo.
I will admit I had a moment of 'hmmm' back in Shadowfever when Jo broke his phone, but the Jo in ICED is sooo unappealing!
I did not like Ryo as much as I liked Barrons back in Darkfever. And I didn't warm up to Barrons until book 3.
As to Dancer, I am afraid to like him, because I feel like he's too good to be true. I feel like KMM is gonna pull a Vlane twist on us with him. =/
I think maybe Christian and Dani will get closer after Dani finds him and saves him from the bitch unseelie that took him. I felt so bad for Christian cause he got the short end of the stick in the whole sittuation. And seeing him loose his humanity was hard. Yet at the same time, I found him so interesting! A tiny bit of a glimpse at a soon to be Unseelie Princess mind? Heck yeah! Lol
Carina wrote: "I was very confused about Dani and Ryo's relationship. Will it be romantic, mentor or just to use her to his advantage?I would get glimpses as to Ryo's interest in Dani, like him getting arroused ..."
I think ryodan is definitely interested!!! He wants her but he has to wait for her... I think he is gonna try to shape her into the woman he would like (kinda like barrons did to Mac). Remember when she came back from Christian n she had to change and the only clothes was the kiddie school girl costume!!! And Ryo didn't look at her at all after she came back to his office, i don't think he would be able to stop himself from making a move if he paid her any attention... I remember Dani was pissed that he dissed her, Dancer certainly appreciated the outfit as well...lol
Ooooo, I do remember that Davena! And I did think he was avoiding looking at her for that exact reason.I think I might have devoured the book too fast, so I'm gona have to reread soon to catch all the little details I missed!
I think most of us rush through the first time to see where the story goes & see what happens. Then we go back a 2nd and/or 3rd time to get all the details that we missed the other reads.
I also was one who didn't really like Ryodan, but I may be changing my mind. I think Ryo is trying to do whatever it takes to not be interested in Dani (Here enters Jo)at this time because he wants to wait for the woman she will become. I think he chose Jo for a reason that may help mold Dani into that woman. Or Who knows Jo may even mold Ryo to be the perfect man for Dani, since Dani is like Barrons.I really like Dancer but I am afraid to like him. I like all the theories that he may be the rhymer or boy that was trapped in fae. I really hope he isn't bad later though.
I'm upset that bad things just keep happening to Christian, I hope that his changing can be reveresed by his soul mate. Something that stuck out at me was when he starts talking about wedding gifts to Dani than acts as if though he hasn't said anything. What if he is becoming the unseelie king and it was him speaking not christian. Which means Dani may not be Christian's soul mate and the UK is the one obsessed with Dani. Christian states he spaces out a few times and doesn't know what happend during that time. Those moments are when the UK comes out. When Christian finds his soul mate she will set him free, hopefully.
I loved Lor, he's really awesome with Dani and calls her honey. Could he be her dad?? or maybe not since he apparently likes blondes.
Kimberly wrote: "I think most of us rush through the first time to see where the story goes & see what happens. Then we go back a 2nd and/or 3rd time to get all the details that we missed the other reads."Completly agree. Aftee reading her books its like, "that was a good book." You think you have an idea where things are going. Then you cant stop thinking about multiply scenes that dont seem right. Kmm loves to foreshadow. It was so awesome re reading the fever series bc u pick up all the things kmm was hinting at but could never really understand.
When Christian said he'd build Dani a White Mansion I thought, "holy crap, is he going to kidnap her?"
Claire wrote: "When Christian said he'd build Dani a White Mansion I thought, "holy crap, is he going to kidnap her?""OMG seriously.... i entire scene creeped me out!!!
Ok I was thinking back about Ryo and something about the end just bugs me... none of the 8 seem like the men to care about having unnecessary people around... SO i really dont understand what Jo was doing up there with the speaker and then when the Hag attack he actually carted her around longer... I mean even Dani realized what a waste of energy it was to cart around Dancer!! Something about that scene and the way he acted with Jo really bugs me....
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.....wow I guess I really am in the minority. or maybe all by my self.I like Ryodan. A LOT MORE THAN BARRONS. And, honestly I think the reason why Ryo is getting the pass off is because Barrons came first. If it was the other way around...well vice versa you know? And, I'm not saying Ryo is an awesome guy because let's face it his business is well questionable. VERY.
Either, I like him ALOT. right off the bat. Then again Barrons and Mac were never my favorites..so..LOL
To me, Ryodan wasn't really like Barrons. I mean yeah the same cryptic, mysterious, jackass qualities. But unlike Barrons. Ryodan was actually a lot better to like. I mean dude had some funny moments. esp when he was with Dani.
As for romance? HOW DOES ANYONE SEE RYODAN SHOWING SOME LUST/ROMANTIC FEELINGS TOWARDS DANI IN HERE?
I mean is it just me? Because I didn't see nothing. When Ryo and Dani were together it was more...well what they said in the book.
BATMAN AND ROBIN. Mr. Miygayi to her Karate Kid. I mean to me the ONLY person who showed "feelings" or whatever for Dani was Christian.
And Dancer was the best friend who cared for Dani a lot.
In the future books who would I want Dani to be with? I'm definitely going for Ryodan if KMM takes it there. I can't see any other way through my eyes. But, if not then maybe Dancer..yeah.
But Christian? Yeah no. I don't see that go anywhere. I feel sorry for the guy I do. However, I really don't think Dani would go there..I mean he's an Unseelie and unless they got a cure; not exactly a healthy relationship. But, hey what relationship in these books are healthy. Everyone's messed up. lmao
I think in our excitement we may have attached Highlander series ideas (ie PNR one mate 4-evar equals the main plot of the book) when actually there is a lot more going on and not every relationship is sexual. And there are in fact complicated ties, with friends, mentors, etc. especially with a thousand year old non human male slut and the teen he is taking under his wing. Which is why I need to settle down and remember that I prefer UF, and that I loved hating Mac and being tormented by JZB for five books.
Ok, I have a theory...We know that Dani has something that she describes as "The Observer" inside her.... What if Ryodan and, unconsciously Christian, are waiting for this "Observer" to take over?
When RyO says :(view spoiler), I think it means that when Dani grows in her powers she will be even more powerful/stronger than Ryo.
And what if, for Dani to develop her powers maybe " the Observer" needs to take place.
Dani says that (view spoiler)
What if Dani is much older than we think? Maybe she is just trapped in a teenagers body...
The thing is, I think that for the Observer to rise, to take over, maybe something really bad has to happen to Dani, or to someone she loves dearly... like Dancer, what if something happens to Dancer and she is left so heartbroken that she lets her other self take over....Maybe that's why RyO is with Jo.... to tease Dani, to push her over the edge so the Observer take place.
Am I making any sense?Thoughts anyone?
Ok, so... I'd like to say that I wasn't completely in love with Barrons in the first book so perhaps Ryo will evolve too with the next two books. Perhaps I'm reaching but when Ryo asks Dani to define love then after her definition he says "Think about what that entails...Providing food. Shelter. Protection from one's enemies. A place to rest and heal." Is this not what Ryo has been doing for Dani in a sense? And this was after the big steak dinner and a presumed healing. I'm not saying he's in love with her but I think he recognizes she's special like Barron's realized it with Mac. Mac knew about Barron's immortality and they didn't kill her...same now with Dani. I think Jo is just Ryo's poor imitation for Dani since he can't have her yet. Then again, with two more books to come (and the dynamic between her and Dancer) anything is possible. I can't wait. Bring it on!!!
All I know is that I should probably get off this blog and forget about the series for a while because its going to be 2015 when the final fever world book comes out. That's if Kmm continues at her rate. Then another 2 years for the other 2 books that continue Mac and Barron's story. So now we are looking at the year 2017. Ugh! This is why it's so torturous to be a fan.
so when Dani confronts Ryo and asks him if Jo matters to him, he said "She matters" but Dani knew he didn't mean to him (or so she/we assume). But I don't know if I'm remembering right...when Dani asked him if he loved her or something, he said "Definite love" right?? (I really did rush through the book and now I'm having trouble remembering everything)WTF? What does that mean?? I swear, KMM writes the best mindfucks ever, but I'm with you Lisa. Waiting for the next books is torture!!
Ryo said "Define Love" to Dani and she said that love was "(view spoiler)And RyO answers (view spoiler) Which was, basically, what RyO did for Dani.... And that could probably mean that he "loves" her... IDK....
Why would he say that about Jo though? Just because he's providing for her, and giving her protection and shelter, he loves her?? Urgh! Lol
If you guys remember KMM gave Barron's some "different" ways of defining love. Even though he never actually tried to spell it out like Dani tried to define it for Ryo.
Carina wrote: "Why would he say that about Jo though? Just because he's providing for her, and giving her protection and shelter, he loves her?? Urgh! Lol"The thing is I don't think Ryo was talking about Jo... besides, I don't think RyO is providing anything for Jo... Remember that conversation about food between Dani and Jo.... RyO does things for Dani, like the food and always watching her back, that he doesn't for Jo. There is no way that Ryo loves Jo. Just NO!
Yeah, you're on that Kim.Ok one of my theories is that something is gonna happen to Jo down the line. Either Ryo is gonna dump her or hurt her or something and its gonna drive Dani to loose her virginity with Dancer. Theeeen, maybe she'll get with Ryo. But I don't think Dani is gonna loose it to Ryo or Christian. She thrives on that normalcy and romanticness of her first time and I think that's why she'll pick Dancer. (Getting ahead of my self much? Lol)
I really hope we're right Jane, cause I just CAN NOT see him with Jo.
Yeah... But I also think that her first time is going to be with Dancer... it's the most logical choice, I guess.... And what about "The Observer"? The other "her" inside Dani? I have a theory about that....Grrr... I hate Jo!
I have no idea what to think about the 'observer', but the theories going around here sound good.I liked Jo in Shadowfever. Not so much when she showed up in ICED. Then I thought her stupid for getting all googly eye with Ryo, knowing that he does not care for her.
And then I completely disliked her when she tried bossing his men around. Bitch, how dare you!?? Haha
I usually have some solid theories about where books are going but in this case I really have no idea. I think the fact that Ryodan was willing to carry Jo around and make sure she was safe indicates that he cares more for her than a hook-up buddy. I don't hate Jo. I think she's a bit unrealistic, but I don't hate her. I really don't like Ryodan. Barrons, I liked. He a jackass, but he's honest about it. Ryodan isn't. I agree with Christian when he said that Ryo was pretending to be something he's not.
What about in Chapter 25 when Ryo acts all jealous of Dancer then gets semi tender when she says she's just a human, too? He tells her she'll never be just anything, compares her to a tsunami (as a complement), then tells her she's going to be one hell of a woman one day. Sounds to me like Dani is something he wants to wait for. And I agree with the thoughts that Jo only matters because Jo matters to Dani. It just goes back to my post about the "love" conversation and the definition fitting what he does for Dani. Maybe he's not in love with Dani (yet) but whatever Barrons and Ryo are, they completely redefine love. Actions, remember? I don't think the next book is going to come fast enough for me!
I think Ryo is waiting for Dani to grow up and setting up his dominos in the meantime. Remember when she is wearing the kiddie uniform, and Dani thinks back on how he woulden't even look at her in the office? Dancer remarks on how she looks 17 maybe even 18. Ryo does not want to see her in a sexy outfit when he knows she is only 14 and he can't 'do her'. Scuse my french, lol. On Jo and 'her mattering', I believe she matters only to Ryo in that she matters to Dani- he is taking Dani's feelings into consideration. Also, when reading the scene between Ryo, Dani and Jo outside Chesters, I think it's clear that when Dani and Ryo fight they do it loud, epicly - Jo fades into the background or is downright throttled by two forces to be reckoned with.
They also talk/think of each other as tsunamis and tornados. Pretty violently romantic in my opinion!
When I did the reread, this qoute seemed profound somehow, "In battle there's nobody else I'd rather be hanging with."(Dani on Ryo). I immediately think to my self that love is a battlefield, and that love and war often are the very best of companions;-)
On Dancer. I don't trust him. When someone or something seems perfect or too good to be true, in my experience they often are. I was thinking of the significance of the whip. The whip is faster than the speed of sound, Dani couldn't wield it, but Dancer had no problems. This is most likely a reach and I've lost my marbles, but I think that Dancer will be nothing like what Dani thinks he is. He is going to pull the rug out from under her and he is going to flay her. (Maybe in 'Flayed'). Maybe it's just me reading a foreshadowing where there is non. What do you guys think?
Meredith Barrons wrote: "Ryo did say Dancer was just a human though but dancer is a genius so you never know how he could disguise himself. What did you think of Jo and Ryo? I wanted to puke when she said they tell each ..."thanks Meredith for inviting me here...and OMG...i hate that. does it seem like Ryo needs to have sex maybe to survive??
Stumble wrote: "I think Ryo is waiting for Dani to grow up and setting up his dominos in the meantime. Remember when she is wearing the kiddie uniform, and Dani thinks back on how he woulden't even look at her in ..."I totally agree with your thoughts on Dancer. There's something definitely up with him. How is it that out of every character he's the only..well "normal" one? Nah, he's got something big up his sleeve.
I'm currently reading ICED! I'm ignoring this thread every time it appears on my notification and now I find myself reading every comment and I'm enjoying it! Lol! Well, I need to finish this book asap so I can participate! Sorry, this is off-topic.
Agree with you! I´m pretty convinced about Dani being, at least part, the same that the 8, but I can´t shake off me an idea...Am I the only one that thinks it is weird how many times all the principal characters (Christian, Ryo and Katt) mention how Dani has a light around her, how even is like she seems to glow? That could be for her good heart and naivety, her energy… But what happens if there is something related to her being part seelie? I know that the theory of the beast fits better, but
1. There is a lack of seelie princesses or even a queen
2. V´lane mentioned in previous books about Mac transforming into something she doesn´t even imagine. I see Mac more unseelie (book and wraiths following her included). In this case we would need a counterpart to balance, same reason as for, after the murder of one of the UP, Christian is transforming into one.
3. Dani going to her “cave” reminded me a lot of Mac going to her “lake”, where the Sinsar Dubh awaits always for her. What if Dani has a similar inner part, but instead of a book is her seelie half?
4. She feels like the sword of Light is hers and has a right to own it and when she lost it or everytime it is out of her reach, her hand starts to get itchy.
Just trying to play devil´s advocate... ;)
Megan so glad I have someone who agrees with me:-) Also Karen has said in a Q/A that, "She doesn’t like to start a character out bad…she likes to transition." I think Dancer is in for major changes!On Ryo and Barrons she said this; "
Q. Asked about Ryodan.
A. She says that Barrons is more of an animal while Ryodan is mo of a machine. Barrons will never change.
I think that is a clue right there, that Ryo will change and that comparing these two guys is a moot point. When I read Ryo I see a man adapting and reacting 'out of character', when it comes to Dani. He was stoic and constant in the fever series, but Dani really knows how to rile him up- and vice versa.
I love Ryo! And I love Dani!
On Jo. I had a thought last night that Jo is literary, a linguist and have lived with the sidhe-sheep for a very long time. Didn't she become one of Ro's circle so that she could spy on Ro? Can't remember. Anyway, she knows about sidhe seers, their history, and possibly about Dani's history. I think Ryo is useing her as a link for all of the above and simply to keep tabs on the sheep. I believe she is selling the sidhe-seers out to Ryo. "We tell each other everything", sounds like she willingly is giving up the sidhe-seers. And Ryo is keeping her close so that he can rummage around in her head when he has a need of information. Or it's a combination of both.
Also Jo repeatedly remarks on Ryo being beautiful and powerful, power or the persuit thereof can corrupt the soul.
I don't know, just know I don't like Jo! Gah!
Anyone remember what Jo's "special" talent was? Mac's is a null, Dani has super speed & hearing, Kat was an empath, Jo was... I can't remember if she has a special talent? Is it any use to Ryo?
Kimberly wrote: "Anyone remember what Jo's "special" talent was? Mac's is a null, Dani has super speed & hearing, Kat was an empath, Jo was... I can't remember if she has a special talent? Is it any use to Ryo?"All what's said about Jo in Darroc's notes is that she's a member of Haven. Nothing about her talents, if I'm not mistaken.
Stumble wrote: "Megan so glad I have someone who agrees with me:-) Also Karen has said in a Q/A that, "She doesn’t like to start a character out bad…she likes to transition." I think Dancer is in for major changes..."The idea of Ryodan keeping Jo around for information also entered my mind. Makes sense. Especially seeing as Jo was super easy to seduce. She always struck me as a quiet, plain, smart bookworm no one really noticed. I don't think sidhe-seers at the abbey have a lot of experience with men. So when a man like Ryodan notices a woman like Jo, of course she won't be able to resist. No one would. And since she's totally falling for his potential like Fiona did, it's so easy to use her. I just fail to see what exactly Ryodan is planning. As many people already pointed out, he's not Barrons. He's a freaking machine whose only purpose is to manipulate people to gain something for himself. I doubt information is the only thing he's after. Then again, it also seems like he wants something from Kat, too. Why else would he mindfuck her? So maybe there is something going on with the sidhe-seers that demands Ryodan's attention. There must be a much bigger thing going on than just using Jo to somehow affect Dani.
Maybe Jo will cause Ryodan's change? (And I'm pretty sure he isgoing to change, otherwise KMM wouldn't have mentioned it.) And by this I don't mean he's going to change for her or because of her, but that he will somehow hurt Dani through Jo, either by making her jealous or by hurting Jo. Which would push Dani towards Christian or Dancer, which in turn would force Ryodan to change his ways and maybe even himself. Ryodan is used to being a ruthless manipulator, but Dani is too good, too pure. She will never be with someone who hurts her friends.
As for the 'observer', I think one of the males (my bet's on Ryodan) will make Dani strip to her bare bones, like Barrons did with Mac. She will have to accept her other personality and mix it with her usual one. Only then will she be the woman everyone is apparently waiting for and lusting after. But before that, Dani has to snap and become this 'observer' permanently. For Mac, Barrons' death was the trigger. I wonder what will it be for Dani... After all, KMM is all about character development.
It's a distinct possibility that Ryodan is using Jo to get information about the sidhe-seers. I get the impression that Ryodan likes to know everything about everyone, carefully filing away information for when it may come in handy.That's a really interesting theory about Dani being the next seelie princess. Didn't Barrons kill one of the Seelie princesses when he was in Faery?
The only thing none of this explains is why Dani's powers have been fizzling out lately.
Maybe it has something to do with hunter's blood?
Maybe because Dani is turning into a seelie princess and what the hunter did is messing with her powers. Kind of how unseelie can't touch seelie objects and vice versa?
This is Dani's point of view, for better or for worse. And we've only glimpsed Jo and Ryo via a fourteen year olds perspective. I don't know about you, but when I was fourteen, George Michael was a god. Just sayin'. Whatever you think about Jo, she's a grown woman, and knows a hell of a lot more than Dani in that particular arena. And if Ryo is affectionate, and says she matters, and keeps her close to the action? Well, actions, remember? I personally just hated the plot. The fact that she was in a a school girl uniform, waiting for his chin chuck. But Dani is a child. A superhero, sure, but even at seventeen she will be too young for Ryo. IMHO of course. I also really hope the beasts aren't all matched up with the sidhe seers. Ugh. Too easy, too paranormal romance for me. I like a little more blindsiding with the plot, and I know KMM is aces at that.
Do you guys think KMM drops by sometimes and reads these discussions going, "Oh nice theory... That's a pretty good idea, I could use that... Haha! Yeah right. That's never gonna happen!" LolI love reading everyone's theories and different point of views =)
It is so funny to go back...I think of all the theories pre-Shadowfever! Some of them were pretty amazing, lol.
I think that it would be predictable if Dani and Ryo end up together, especially since we already saw Mac and Barrons end up together. I hope that KMM doesn't do a repeat.
BUT, ugh. So disappointed with what happened to Jo - she became a freaking Hugh Hefner playmate, no personality, all simpering and w-t-f with the chin chuck hook up biz? And no more warrior woman, even in battle. Ew.
PLUS - everything happened off screen! Even if I was ok with the pairing, I would have been irritated. And it certainly didn't make him look good. Barrons was brutal, but he wasn't a slut.
I read it really quickly, so I need to reread, but I was kind of bummed at how vague everyone was to me. I couldn't really get a handle on what people looked like, incl. Ryo (and I forgot from the Fever series) or what their personalities were like, whereas in the first few Fever books, everyone was cinematically vivid.
At least she got better with her music choices, lol. I mean, remember Mac's Baby Boomer music choices -they seemed so weird for a 20 something. :)
And I loved every bit of the Kat plot. That's an arc I am really interested in - far more than Christian and Dani. Dancer is also really interesting, great character.