Moning Maniacs discussion

So Christian is going "all bad"? Interesting!

And Dani's father is not Ryo (which I already figured). Maybe its Barrons. *snickers* Wouldn't that be a helluva story! Mac could be the evil stepmother :p

I hate "...questions and answers..." with author's they just amount to a whole lot MORE QUESTIONS!! LOL
I really don't want to hear more about Kat. Is that mean? I know these are Dani's stories, so we were going to get a lot more Sidhe Seer interaction, but they are all- so far-pretty boring. Just my opinion there...

Being KMM must be a bitch. Hearing all those freaks in her head all the time. hehehe Though I wouldn't mind a little Barrons and Ryo in there....

♠ Sharon is an emotional book junkie ♠ wrote: "Found some information from the Iced released party..."

I thought that was already posted. Saw it a while ago.

Davena wrote: "Kat finding her soulmate?? Hmm..."

Her soulmate is Sean. She said it in the books. Or do you think she will find someone new?

Mich wrote: "I really don't want to hear more about Kat."

I wonder if we will see Kat's POV in all three books since her story is the counterpoint to Dani.

Ryo told Kat that Sean was still working at Chester's even though he was released from the contract... I think we are to assume that Sean enjoys the action of the club- and who knows what else??
I have a feeling that those 2 are probably done. Puppy love...maybe?

♠ Sharon is an emotional book junkie ♠ wrote: ”

Kat is a major player in the next books and she finds her Soulmate"

Hmmm Ryo and Kate??

I actually really like Christian and Kat as a couple. After all, she is an empath and he is just looking for someone to understand him. They both strongly believe in soul mates and true love, and are currently pining after their (possibly false) soulmates who don't seem able to understand or appreciate them. Kat also seems older, sadder and wiser than Dani, and I think that Christian needs a woman like that.

Of course all this is provided he can stop being such a nut and accidentally killing women.

Mich wrote: "I have a feeling that those 2 are probably done. Puppy love...maybe?"

Who knows... It's difficult to say. I was wondering if Ryo was lying to her or why he would care at all.

I hope not everyone gets paired up like in a PNR series.

what about Kat and Lor? i would love to find out more about him.

hmmm...I never thought he could be lying...but now that I think about it-sure...it's Ryo.
**I can't imagine Sean is going to be a supporting chracter though? He has not been developed at all...that is why I think they are doneskies...
No one wants to see a story with a happy ending in the beginning (ie- they think they are already soul mates)

Kat and Kasteo, the silent one. Now that's a PNR I could get behind.

♠ Sharon is an emotional book junkie ♠ wrote: "what about Kat and Lor? i would love to find out more about him."

I kinda love Lor- everytime he calls Dani "kid" I get all giddy. He almost seems like the nicest of the 9 (at least to Dani.) The scene where Ryo smashes her against the pillar, I was like, OMG-Dani- for cripes sake just show some emotion, please...SHOW Ryo you care about him..LOL and of course, Lor is like- Hey Kid- Ryo hates it when women cry (like he was trying to help her, b/c he knew Ryo was on a rampage) Good scene.

Mich wrote: "The scene where Ryo smashes her against the pillar, I was like, OMG-Dani- for cripes sake just show some emotion, please...SHOW Ryo you care about him ..."

^
See, that scene makes me think that there is more going on with Ryo and Dani (in Ryodan's mind, anyway) than just a mentor-type relationship. Ryodan is very cryptic about Dani's future and some of his actions make him seem like a contender for a love interest.

The fact that KMM said that Kat will find her soulmate implies, to me at least, that Sean isn't it. I think it mates are involved that she's going to bring Kat and Christian together. Of course I could be completely wrong, but I just associate Keltars with mates.

I dont think Sean is Kat's soulmate.... and I am not too sure about her hooking up with Christian.

Hey, KMM is having a live chat on Monday 11-1 est on FB!!!

Thanks Davena!!!! Will have to check that out. Not that we will get anything but more questions but hey!!

I absolutely do not think that Sean is Kat's soul mate. It seems that Ryodan is serving as a sort of coach to Kat and will probably help her figure that out.

Also, I need to reread the fever series but how did Barron's son come into existence? It was his son, right? It doesn't seem plausible that Dani could be the daughter of one of the eight and be so human. Oddly, I don't care all that much about who Dani's father is...not sure why. Ha.

Anyone else thinking of rereading the Fever series including Iced?

Oh my God, so many possibilities!
Kat/Ryo
Kat/Lor
Kat/Sean
Kat/Kasteo
Kat/Christian
Ryo/Jo
Ryo/Dani
Ryo/
Dani/Christian
Dani/Dancer
Dani/Lor(Now THIS looks like a mentor/student relationship to me)

Such a mindfuck, trying to figure it all out. But that's KMM for ya, and that's why we love her, right?

Carina wrote: "Oh my God, so many possibilities!
Kat/Ryo
Kat/Lor
Kat/Sean
Kat/Kasteo
Kat/Christian
Ryo/Jo
Ryo/Dani
Ryo/
Dani/Christian
Dani/Dancer
Dani/Lor(Now THIS looks like a mentor/student relationship to me)..."

Carina..WHY DID YOU DO THAT?? LOLOL Now my head hurts this morning....HAHA

Great discussions!
How about Kat/Cruce?

Also I'm thinking that perhaps one of the nine will die, Christian witnessed Barrons' son die. Or I'm thinking Dancer or Jo.

If Kat's story is counterpoint to Dani's I'm thinking that perhaps it will be of her moral descent and of Dani learning to take responsibility for her actions.

Just skimmed through the last couple of pages in this discussion and I find myself surprised to see people saying that KMM potentially pairing up Dani and Ryo will be a repeat of Mac Barrons.
Why?! Ryo and Barrons may be the same species and ancient people, but they have completely different approaches to a problem and people. Animal and Machine.
And if KMM pairs up Dani/Christian it will be a repeat of Mac/Vlane? I don't see it. Yes it will be human/fae but humans are not alike in all things and neither are the fae, IMHO.

KMM only have so many characters and species to play with, and if she plays her hand like that, she will severely limit her playingfield. I don't see her being an author who takes well to limitations, in any way shape or form.
Just my take;-)

Did KMM really say Kat will FIND her soulmate? In her forum it doesn't say that.

I really hope we don't get a gazillion HEAs. It's not a PNR series! I hope KMM focuses on the world building.

I think we are safe to say that KMM doesn't disappoint!!!

Has anyone considered the light/potential everyone sees in Dani?? I was reading the forums and some mentioned that she may have the song of making in her... thats some crazy foreshadowing especially since Dani's chapters are all song names except 1.

I'm sorry Mich! Just so many things going on in my head and have to post some of them. Otherwise I'd go crazy! Lol

This might sound crazy, but I'm looking forward to some main characters dying. I like it when authors don't compromise the story just because they don't want to let go of the characters. I'm sure its gonna be a total mindfuck, and it will probably enrage me at first, but it will make the story that much more entertaining.

I assumed the names of chapters being song-related had more to do with being a clue to readers about the Hoar Frost King looking for certain music and sounds.

Ok KMM said major characters are going to die. Who?? The 9 can't unless they get K'Vrucked, Mac isn't human & we know its not her or Barron's. Can't be Dani. I guess other fae like the HFK can kill fae and other people/things. Dancer could be a possibility. Who are other major characters? I think I'm having issues, because I swear I can't wrap my head around it. Lol.

Errrrmm Christian? Dancer? Maybe a sidhe-seer?

I'm rereading Bloodfever right now and when Dani first meets Mac, Mac asks her what she is, due to her super speed. Dani replies by saying, "Same as you. Latent talents awaken in time of need. You have your talents, I have mine. Every day we learn more about who we used to be and what we are again becoming." I find the wording, again becoming, very interesting. I wonder if Dani isn't the reincarnation of someone much older.

Claire wrote: "Errrrmm Christian? Dancer? Maybe a sidhe-seer?"

Or maybe Jayne?!

Kimberly wrote: "Ok KMM said major characters are going to die. Who?? The 9 can't unless they get K'Vrucked, Mac isn't human & we know its not her or Barron's. Can't be Dani. I guess other fae like the HFK can ki..."

*gasp* Did she really say that? Hmmmmm...Christian could be a potential major character death. Dancer? But Dancer isn't really a major character, is he? He could still be a possible death. Jo too. Well...anyone but Ryodan, please! :) And I also believe it's safe to say that it won't be Dani for sure.

jessica wrote: "...Mac asks her what she is, due to her super speed. Dani replies by saying, "Same as you. Latent talents awaken in time of need. You have your talents, I have mine. Every day we learn more about who we used to be and what we are again becoming."

Hmmm... that is a very good point I think that one of the few we actually hear her speak so philosophical... usually she thinks it then "gahs" herself for even thinking that way!!!

jessica wrote: "I'm rereading Bloodfever right now and when Dani first meets Mac, Mac asks her what she is, due to her super speed. Dani replies by saying, "Same as you. Latent talents awaken in time of need. Y..."

I like this theory Jessica!

jessica wrote: "I'm rereading Bloodfever right now and when Dani first meets Mac, Mac asks her what she is, due to her super speed. Dani replies by saying, "Same as you. Latent talents awaken in time of need. Y..."

Yikes- Thanks Jessica. That doesn't even sound like Dani!! Completely out of context, I'm not sure i would have even thought that was Dani's voice...(it lacks all the fecks, and 14 year old charm)


ashley wrote: "...Christian could be a potential major character death. Dancer? But Dancer isn't really a major character, is he? He could still be a possible death. Jo too..."

I have an aching feeling it might be Kat. I think she is going to go out in a blaze of glory and be the hero that she always was too afraid to be. She is a big enough charcter that if she dies, we will be impacted as readers, but not big enough, that we are like WTF?
I don't think we will see the death of any of the 9 or Dani.

**Sarah, Dare I ask who you are hoping for?? LOL (ehemm-Mac...)

Davena wrote: "I think we are safe to say that KMM doesn't disappoint!!!"

You can't know that until after you've read the book.

Robin wrote: "I assumed the names of chapters being song-related had more to do with being a clue to readers about the Hoar Frost King looking for certain music and sounds."

That's what I was thinking as well. But this doesn't rule out the Song of Making theory. I generally like the whole music theme.

Carina wrote: "This might sound crazy, but I'm looking forward to some main characters dying."

I'd love to see that. It's so boring when you know main characters won't die or if they do, they return from the dead. But I mean really important characters, not some sidhe-seer.

I hope it's Mac but I don't think it would happen in Dani's books. It has to be her own book.

I fear it will be Dancer. He's not that big of a character yet but I'm sure he'll be one of the main characters by the end of the Dani series.

I could easily see Christian, Jo, Kat, or Dancer dying. I think for any reason for KMM to go through the effort of killing off one of the 9 and Dani can't die as the main character.

I could see Christian dying because he sacrificed himself, or maybe putting himself out there to be killed because he couldn't stand what he was becoming.

But killing Jo wouldn't be really bold. At least not at the moment. She's not a main character and not that popular.

IF a character will get killed, I really hope it'll be shocking.

Allison wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "And if Ryo is affectionate, and says she matters, and keeps her close to the action? Well actions, remember?"

I just don't see it. Ryo's been around too long to be tempted by some..."

I completely agree with this! Booby glitter! Hahaha oh goodness, that doesn't sound like Ryo at all. I definitely think that Jo matter because she is Dani's friend and also, maybe, because him being with Jo matters in the grand scheme of things in terms of his and Dani's relationship!

bibliophile brouhaha wrote: "Julija wrote: "Jessica wrote: "This is a bit off topic, but during a re-read it made me wonder. I had some questions about when Barrons son bites Mac's neck open.

Barrons and his men can kill Fae...."

I think the whole "taking lip" thing is a big factor in WHY Barrons is attracted to Mac and Ryodan to Dani. They are the only women who these guys find interesting, therefore amusing when they don't do exactly as they are told. Let's face it, when you've lived a very, very long time things tend to get repetitive and uninteresting so when a burst of color comes into their life again, they hold onto it. That's how I see Barron and Mac and I think eventually Dani and Ryo

L. Vale wrote: "Mich wrote: "Ok Friends.. I FINALLY FINISHED ICED. HOLY HELL. I literally finished the book 5 minutes ago…This one thing is bothering the FECK out of me…

**This HFK is like the second biggest thin..."

I'm with you! Ryodan as a father figure? Pah-lease. When Dani was stripping and almost died of hypothermia, Ryodan was so turned pissed at the thought of losing her. He can't claim her in a sexual sense because she is too young for that, but alpha males tend to do that when they are upset. They need to "tup" their women if something bad happens. Sooooo, he banged Jo instead. That is a very strong reaction for a father figure, wouldn't you say?

Guys, I really don't know why people are so upset that Dani is 14. I feel like many people close off their mind to the possibilities because of this one little detail.

First off, this is a book in a paranormal world so why do we hold a 14 year old girl to the same standards as a 14 year old girl in today's society. I don't think KMM would make Dani a lead if it was going to be totally awesome! Trust her.

Dani will lose her virginity in this series and she will only be 17 when it ends. That's how it is. Plain and simple.

KMM has never disappointed me and always has a big twist or two, so I'm not worried about the Dani age thing that so many people are freaking out about. Hell even Christian says he doesn't know how old he technically is because of his time in the mirrors.

There is more to Dani's background that we know nothing about. For all we know, she isn't really 14 years old at all. That other person that is a part of her certainly doesn't seem 14 and I think that will have a lot to do with Dani's sexual relationship that will eventually happen.

I have a feeling that it will be Dancer, but that
Dancer will not be with Dani in the end. Something is definitely up with him.

Who says that Dani is going to end up with ANYONE by the end of these three books? I am a huge Ryo/Dani fan and I can even see KMM building their relationship in the next 5 Mac books that she is planning. Their relationship might not even happen until then!

I'm not worried. It will all unfold and I will love it even if Ryo/Dani aren't together because KMM is brilliant!

By the way, Karen just said that Ryodan is not related to Dani in a Live Chat on Facebook!

Was anything else mentioned in that chat that we hadn't heard before?
I wanted to be part of it, but am stuck working =/

That was the definitive thing - that Ryodan is not in anyway related to Dani at all.

She also said that she is taking it as a personal challenge to make Ryodan eclipse Barrons as the best character ever or something like that. Not by book 2, but definitely by book 3.

ETA: Here's the direct quote from KMM: "One last note about Ryodan: He will eclipse Barrons. Blot him right out of your soul's sky. That's the challenge I've set for myself as a writer. (God, I hate it when I do this to myself.) It won't happen in the first book, or the second. But it will happen. And the gauntlet is flung...:"

Re: Jo / She also said that she did her job too well - that we were supposed to be annoyed by the Jo plotline, but it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

She said she loves Lor and will probably write more about him later.

She also said that Mac and Barrons were busy dealing with other things - that's why they weren't helping out, and there was some coy business about whether or not they could make babies. (OY)

Other little tidbits here and there, but it was kind of hard to follow. That's the stuff I picked up on at least!

Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Guys, I really don't know why people are so upset that Dani is 14. I feel like many people close off their mind to the possibilities because of this one little detail.."

Maybe this will help explain things for you: on yesterday's chat, KMM asked, "Another question: How did it make you feel when you realized men were looking at you with frank sexual interest? Tell me your age, and how it made you feel."

There were nearly 200 responses, and the bulk of them were the same. Pre- to early teens, and it was a weird feeling. That age is a confusing time for sexual awareness, and it's rarely straightforward, and nearly always confusing and often upsetting. And often upsetting when it is OLDER MEN looking at us this way.

So, not surprising that it may be a trigger point for many people. It is for me, and no amount of escapism or worldbuilding will change that -- in fact it skeeves me out more in a setting that includes powerful alpha men who are hundreds of years old.

It just bothers me. I respect that it doesn't bother you, but we are entitled to our opinions.

Carina wrote: "Was anything else mentioned in that chat that we hadn't heard before?
I wanted to be part of it, but am stuck working =/"

Carina, I love KMM. But that chat was a bust! LOL I enjoyed it more to hear some new ideas from the fans on FB... (but honestly we have such a tight knit litte group going here on GR's that I didn't hear anything new, than what our little group has already come up with, bummer!)

I thought we were going to get some juicy spoilers.

**Jennifer, thanks for posting some of the quotes up!

Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Ryodan as a father figure? Pah-lease. When Dani was stripping and almost died of hypothermia, Ryodan was so turned pissed at the thought of losing her...That is a very strong reaction for a father figure, wouldn't you say..."

Well then...LOL
We can agree to disagree. If I get to the third book, and at that point Ryo f*cks Dani's brains out. (**Sarah-Did I totally just make you throw up again??? hehe)I'll come out with a public apology on Goodreads.:)
Until then, my opinion is un-wavering on this subject.

Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Guys, I really don't know why people are so upset that Dani is 14. I feel like many people close off their mind to the possibilities because of this one little detail..."

Outside the fact that she is 14, my issue is that I don't want her with Ryo. At least not right now...As other's have said, there may not be any "female worthy" of Ryo. (at least not yet...) He is a evil, crude, gorgeous bastard of a dude- and I can't picture him with Dani. 14 or 17. Could 2 books change my opinion? Yes. However at this point, and what I know about Dani (and I love Dani) I don't by her and Ryo having a romance.

**Also, I think maybe, some are getting WAY to hooked on who is going to screw who in this series...LOL (I'm so eloquent)

Thank you guys very much for posting that convo =)
She did an awesome job at making us(well most of us) dislike Jo. And I'm glad we're gonna be seeing more from Lor! BUT, Lor is one of those characrters I don't want to be romantizised. He is awesome, just the way he is.



from KMM's chat:

"One last note about Ryodan: He will eclipse Barrons. Blot him right out of your soul's sky. That's the challenge I've set for myself as a writer. (God, I hate it when I do this to myself.) It won't happen in the first book, or the second. But it will happen. And the gauntlet is flung...:)"

Well, all I can say to that is:
Challenge Accepted Maddam!!!

Everyone is always going to have a different vision for how a series will turn out and who will end up with who (or no one at all). I am a romance person so you can understand why I like pairing people off. It's a habit, but I wouldn't be totally crushed if Ryodan ends up with no one in particular. I like him as a character and I like Dani as a character.

I just have a feeling that something's going to change to make us think of Dani as more mature an not a naive 14 year old. I don't want Dani to stay like she is but I'm holding out hope that KMM has something up her sleeve to help with the age factor.

And though I love Ryodan, I'm pretty sure Dani and Dancer are going to be romantically involved anyway and I'm excited to see how that turns out.

LOL I think I speak for all of us that the MOST ANTICIPATED BOOK for 2013 will be BURNED, similary for 2014 Flayed

Carina wrote: "Thank you guys very much for posting that convo =)
... "One last note about Ryodan: He will eclipse Barrons. Blot him right out of your soul's sky. That's the challenge I've set for myself as a writer. (God, I hate it when I do this to myself.) It won't happen in the first book, or the second. But it will happen. And the gauntlet is flung...:)" "

I was sooo shocked when I read this... I had to digest this bit of info... not sure how i feel since I abs. love Barrons and mix feelings for Ryo... but looking forward to more Lor!!
The 9 have taking over my heart...lol!!!


Karinloos wrote: "LOL I think I speak for all of us that the MOST ANTICIPATED BOOK for 2013 will be BURNED, similary for 2014 Flayed"

I really can't wait either!!!
I especially want to read about how Dani discovers how to love... since these books are supposed to be about her development of learn how to give and accept love!! CANT WAIT!!!


There is definitely something big going on with Christian... I hate it that she did like answer anything about him... it was her typical TOOTH FAIRY answers...lol

Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Everyone is always going to have a different vision for how a series will turn out and who will end up with who (or no one at all). I am a romance person so you can understand why I like pairing pe..."

I agree. KMM doesn't do anything without intent. She's beyond brilliant when it comes to plot and character development. (As an English teacher who analyzes literature on a daily basis and a writer myself, I'm constantly analyzing and I haven't once found a single plot-hole in KMM's books.) Having said that, consider the moment toward the end of ICED when Dani had a sort of out-of-body experience where her "second self" saw the world clearly, vividly and very much like an adult. Ryodan notices and questions what is happening, if she's okay. I think he recognizes she has this second self. She slips out of "Dani dude" mode into another person entirely.

In addition, there are moments when Dani slips out of her teenage lingo into very adult lingo. At first, I thought perhaps KMM made a mistake by allowing Dani to step out of character, then I realized who we're dealing with. KMM doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I tend to agree with you, Jessen, that perhaps she isn't even 14-years-old. Or maybe her body is but not her true self. Consider that when people enter Faerie, years can elapse in the present world while only minutes, hours, days in Faerie.

Needless to say, I didn't find anything offensive in ICED in regards to Dani. Christian, with is whole Unseelie makeover, was definitely creeeeeee-pyyyyyy, but KMM kept Dani safe from him in the end. I would've been highly upset if she was molested in any way.

I actually believe Ryodan and Dani will be together in the end, perhaps the very end, but I also think Dani will undergo MAJOR transformations in the next two books. She's not human; that's for certain. I also know that KMM always surprises me, so perhaps I'm totally wrong. I can't wait for BURNED, so she can twist my brain in a knot one more time.