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Burned (Dani O'Malley Trilogy #2)(Fever Book #7) **Not Yet Released **
♠ Sharon is an emotional book junkie ♠ wrote: "KMM had a FB chat yesterday...idk if anyone was there but it was crazy trying to find answers/etc. Here's a good wrap up on Hanging with Bells Blog:
http://hangingwithbells.blogspot.com/......"
I did like that she answered some questions, but it was hard finding where she actually responded! She did clarify a few things for me. I just can't wait until BURNED!
Stephanie wrote: "Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Everyone is always going to have a different vision for how a series will turn out and who will end up with who (or no one at all). I am a romance person so you can underst..."BURNED is such a long time away! I'll just have to read the FEVER series again and ICED to look for any clues about Dancer and Dani that I might have looked over before. I also want to know what's going on with Mac.
yea its a little confusing Jessen....but much better than it was on the chat!
Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "because him being with Jo matters in the grand scheme of things in terms of his and Dani's relationship!"Maybe she doesn't matter because of Dani but because she is of use for Ryodan. As a fuck buddy, as a source of information and as a translator (remember all his 'paperwork').
Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "That is a very strong reaction for a father figure, wouldn't you say?"
Why? A 'parents' love for their children is supposed to be the strongest.
Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "Guys, I really don't know why people are so upset that Dani is 14. I feel like many people close off their mind to the possibilities because of this one little detail."
Because some don't want an old guy with a child and some, like me, cannot see how a child would be interesting for a male like Ryodan. At least not in a romantic/sexual way.
Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "There is more to Dani's background that we know nothing about. For all we know, she isn't really 14 years old at all."
That would be a cheap way out. I cannot see KMM doing that.
Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "By the way, Karen just said that Ryodan is not related to Dani in a Live Chat on Facebook!"
She already said that a few weeks ago.
Jennifer wrote: "Maybe this will help explain things for you: on yesterday's chat, KMM asked, "Another question: How did it make you feel when you realized men were looking at you with frank sexual interest? Tell me your age, and how it made you feel."
Oh, when KMM started to ask the fans the personal questions, I knew most would say "I was as old as Dani when that happened." LOL
Jennifer wrote: "It is for me, and no amount of escapism or worldbuilding will change that"
Yeah, I wonder if the "it's just fiction" readers would excuse rape as well.
Jennifer wrote: "It just bothers me. I respect that it doesn't bother you, but we are entitled to our opinions."
^THIS! Unfortunately the 'fans' on FB often forget that.
Mich wrote: "I thought we were going to get some juicy spoilers."
I didn't expect that. That's why I had to roll my eyes at all those questions that required a spoiler as an answer.
Mich wrote: "I'll come out with a public apology on Goodreads.:)"Why an apology? Even if she copies Barrons/Mac and puts Dani with Ryo *yaaawns*, it doesn't mean you have to believe or like it.
Mich wrote: "**Also, I think maybe, some are getting WAY to hooked on who is going to screw who in this series...LOL (I'm so eloquent)"
^This! Seriously, sometimes I think all people worry about is who will end up together. Dani, Christian, Kat, Sean, Ryo, Dancer, Lor... Geez, if you want that, read some damn PNR!
Carina wrote: "BUT, Lor is one of those characrters I don't want to be romantizised. He is awesome, just the way he is."
This is how I feel about all of the Nine we've seen more of so far. I don't understand why readers like it when awesome, badass males get emasculated and romanticized. Especially since the Fever series is not romance.
Carina wrote: "One last note about Ryodan: He will eclipse Barrons. Blot him right out of your soul's sky. That's the challenge I've set for myself as a writer. (God, I hate it when I do this to myself.) It won't happen in the first book, or the second. But it will happen. And the gauntlet is flung...:)"
He already eclipsed Barrons in the Fever books so this is nothing new.
Random, but it makes me crazy when people who just finished Iced are too stupid to spell Ryodan's name! Not talking about anyone here but reviews.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "Mich wrote: "I'll come out with a public apology on Goodreads.:)"Why an apology? Even if she copies Barrons/Mac and puts Dani with Ryo *yaaawns*, it doesn't mean you have to believe or like it.
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I know everyone wants Dani to end up with someone... but I am more interested in seeing how she develops. This trilogy is suppose to be about Dani finding love, but I dont think she will get that of HEA (getting used to acroymns now lol) where she ends up with someone. Dani is pretty bad-ass herself and I won't like to see her change drastically for a man... UGH!!!
I mean it was ok in Fever for Mac, b/c she was a really boring character in the first 2 books... but Dani has always been pretty awesome!!
Ryodan will never eclipse Barrons. An impossible challenge for herself imo.
Liv wrote: "Ryodan will never eclipse Barrons. An impossible challenge for herself imo."I agree
Jessica wrote: "I think right now Ryo is using Jo to sate his baser needs and possibly to get Dani jealous or have her start to see him as Jo would see him. I mean, he is ruthless, but treats Kat ok. He may even h..."Right before Dani caught ryo with Jo (having sex). Ryo was with dani and he was shaking. Then, lor tells him to go do his thing. I think he needs sex to fuel his superpower or something.
Crystal wrote: "Right before Dani caught ryo with Jo (having sex). Ryo was with dani and he was shaking. Then, lor tells him to go do his thing. I think he needs sex to fuel his superpower or something...."i think so too.
I agree that he and his men need sex for some reason, and in that case it seemed like Ryodan was having some kind of physical or emotional reaction to seeing Dani nearly die and/or in her underwear.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "Jessen Elizabeth wrote: "because him being with Jo matters in the grand scheme of things in terms of his and Dani's relationship!"Maybe she doesn't matter because of Dani but because she is of us..."
I know we don't agree on where the book wants to go, but I'm just happy to be reading KMM books. Simple as that. She is an amazing author and I trust her to write it exactly how it should be whether it's more in line with your vision or mine. I've never been disappointed with her books and I'm sure she won't disappoint in any plot twists she can come up with.
I just finished reading this book. Like all of kmm books I loved it. At first I didnt want to read it because I honestly did not like Dani in the previous books. I have to say I love Christian probably because of the highlander series. But I love Dancer and Ryodan as well. I wanted to mention that I think Ryodan is a player in contending for Dani's effections, because I remember an excerpt from Dreamfever.
Mac - Does today amuse you Ryodan, his lips curve into a smile, looks back at Dani and after a moment noded " it does more than it has in recent....years. She's 13
Time will remedy that
You worry me Ryodan
"Back at you. Bit of advice mac life's an ocean, full of waves, all dangerous, all can drown under the right circumstances even the gentelest swell can turn tidal. Hopping waves is for the weekend warriors, choose one and ride it out it increases your odds of survival" He watched Dani for a moment, then said there are rules to my house.
I don't know but I think he has planned this for awhile.
Danielle, I totally agree with you. In the end, I predict Dani will be with Ryodan but I think she'll choose another before then. Dancer, but he's more than he appears. He's got an ulterior motive. That will end badly for Dani, if/when she chooses him. Thanks for the Dreamfever excerpt. I just started rereading the Fever series and I love to see how it connects to Iced. :)
Kind off topic here, but please refresh my memory. Dani signed a contract with Ryodan. Did it ever mention what the contract includes?
Ha, ha! No, Ashley. As far as I remember we only know that it binds Dani to him as his "employee," whatever that might entail. And, of course, there's a spell keeping him in control. I don't remember Moning sharing the deails of the contract with the reader.
i really hope ryo and dani end up together since every time someone asks karen replies with a "are you fecking serious" is karen fustrated bc its obvious they are going to be together or its obvious she just works for him...can any KM fan/stalker deduce what she means
Karen wrote: "i really hope ryo and dani end up together since every time someone asks karen replies with a "are you fecking serious" is karen fustrated bc its obvious they are going to be together or its obviou..."Hi I'm new here but if I had to hazard a guess I think she means "Are you fecking serious?" as in "Do you really think I'm going to answer that?" That would be a HUGE spoiler for KMM to give away, who Dani ends up with, if she ends up with anyone. I wouldn't think KMM would reveal that and it's why I would never ask lol. For the record I want Dani and Ryodan too
Stephanie wrote: "Whoohoo! Me too, Rachel. ;)"If I don't get Dani and Ryodan, I might turn into a bit of a mess lol. I freaking love them together and I see so much potential for awesomeness!
Stephanie wrote: "Ha, ha! No, Ashley. As far as I remember we only know that it binds Dani to him as his "employee," whatever that might entail. And, of course, there's a spell keeping him in control. I don't rememb..."I couldn't remember correctly, so I had to ask. Then I went back to the book to check, and you're right. But but...I am really damn curious about that contract. :)
Rachel wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Whoohoo! Me too, Rachel. ;)"If I don't get Dani and Ryodan, I might turn into a bit of a mess lol. I freaking love them together and I see so much potential for awesomeness!"
Exactly! I might not turn into a bit of mess, but an ugly and horrible one. That's how bad I want RyoDani to happen! IMO, they suit each other beautifully. *crossing fingers*
Ashley wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Whoohoo! Me too, Rachel. ;)"If I don't get Dani and Ryodan, I might turn into a bit of a mess lol. I freaking love them together and I see so much potential for a..."
Ok, I was trying not to come off as a crazy lady, but yeah. I will be more than a bit if mess if I don't get Dani/Ryodan lol. I'll be a big mess, like "sitting on the couch and sobbing into my Haagen Dazs" type mess.
Rachel wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "Whoohoo! Me too, Rachel. ;)"If I don't get Dani and Ryodan, I might turn into a bit of a mess lol. I freaking love them together and I see so much ..."
Mmmmhhhmm, I'm right there with ya.
I honestly can't imagine that KMM won't go there. Why would you create such a masterpiece like Ryodan and not let our heroine have him? Seriously. In an online interview a few months ago (that someone on this blog quoted at some point) she said the goals she's set for herself is for Ryodan to eclipse Barrons. That's quite a challenge though I'm completely hooked on Ryodan. Why would she ever say that if she hadn't planned on allowing our leading lady to get such a man? That's my question. KMM definitely puts her heroines through the ringer and some serious crap, but in the end they get their guy. I've read a lot of authors who actually torture the reader with the fact that the leading male and female never end up together. KMM isn't one of those authors. Let's hope my theory is correct.Oh, I recently did a blog post on why we love our leading men, and of course I included Barrons and Ryodan in it. If you'd like a laugh and to enjoy a little eye candy, come check it out. ;)
http://stephaniejudice.blogspot.com/2...
Stephanie wrote: "I honestly can't imagine that KMM won't go there. Why would you create such a masterpiece like Ryodan and not let our heroine have him? Seriously. In an online interview a few months ago (that some..."Great thinking, Stephanie! I really hope your theory is correct too. :)
Awesome blog you've just shared! Great stuff!
And I also just want to thank you for featuring my Christian Grey photo onto your blog. :)
Ashley wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "I honestly can't imagine that KMM won't go there. Why would you create such a masterpiece like Ryodan and not let our heroine have him? Seriously. In an online interview a few mon..."Thanks, Ashley! Me too. That would just be a tease in my book, and I definitely don't think KMM is one of those. ;)
RE: Ryodan and Dani & Ryodan eclipsing BarronsI do think KKM will provide a love interest for both Dani and Ryodan, but I am less sure that it will be with each other. If Ryodan is supposed to eclipse Barron, then Dani needs to eclipse Mac. I know Dani will be growing as a character. But it could be possible to pair Dani with someone else, then spin Ryodan to a next series with another pairing.
Another reason not to pair Dani and Ryodan is that it is too predictable. Suspect KKM wants more plot twists and suprises. Not that I think putting these 2 together would be a bad story. But I would need to see a lot of character development and even change before it would make sense to me.
Mac did a complete 180 on her character. She was a blonde valley southern girly girl and turned into a kick butt strong heroine! Dani can change too.What ever happens with Ryo or Christian I am looking forward to it.
Concerning Mac, Christian and Rhymer. The SK said the princesses and princes would be replaced. i don;t think Christian is becoming the SK or Cruce/War. They still exist. Though I am not sure if Cruce is considered alive, even thought it seemed like he could be released from his prison of ice. Remember V'Lane/Cruce/War went around killing all of the seelie and unseelie royalty so he could be first inline to get the queens power. By giving Mac the elixir she became the next inline as a new princess to get the fae power if the queen died. But the Queen and King are still alive, so I don't believe Mac or Christian are becoming them.
About the shades. i wonder if they have left Mac alone from the very first book because the shisadu has been a part of her the whole time.
I think Dani can and will change too. I almost see Dani and Mac's journey as opposites of each other. Like True Love said, Mac was sort of a ditsy valley girl who had pretty much zero expectations for herself beyond what outfit to wear. Her journey was about discovering her inner badass and realizing there is more to her life than being pretty in PinkDani's journey IMO is different. When Mac first appears, she's not really concerned with anyone outside her little world, whereas Dani feels responsible for everyone, like its her job to save everyone. Where Mac was plagued with self doubt, Dani has a bit of a superiority complex. For as long as she's been alive she has been the strongest, smartest, fastest person she knew. That is, until Ryodan comes along, and this is where I think he will play an important part. Where Barrons was set on teaching Mac and helping her uncover her inner badass, I think Ryo has been trying to get Dani to slow down, think before she acts, which lets face it Dani doesn't really do lol. Ryo is trying to teach Dani like Barrons taught Mac , but WHAT he is teaching her is different.
I will kill somebody if they don't end up together I would think that K MM will give Christian his own story or spin off series
*sigh*My Christian MacKeltar.
I second the motion that Christian should get his own spinoff series.
Christian's own story would be very nice indeed. :)
I just finished reading Iced and I have to say I'm already liking it better than the Fever series. I was expecting reading Dani's POV to be annoying based on her POV in the Fever series but so far I like her better than Mac.Right off the bat, Dani is proving to be more intelligent, proactive, and possessing in more common sense than Mac. Mac came across so dense throughout the Fever series. Dani shows remarkable deductive abilities and even Ryodan, her Barrons equivalent, shows her a measure of respect.
I absolutely love Ryodan's character. He's calculating and brilliant. I think it's a major show of respect on his part that he doesn't coddle Dani or treat her like a "girl". It's clear he regards her as a near equal. Dani is a battle-tested assassin so there's no reason to expect her to be handled with kid-gloves.
I also like that the seeds are being lain for a Dani/Ryo romance. There's a recurring commentary from Ryo about people not appreciating life day-to-day and living it to the fullest. Then we see several people remark on how full of life Dani is. It's clear what's attracting him to Dani beyond youth/beauty.
I'm still absorbing the book but wanted to mention something I didn't see addressed in the thread.
At one point Ryodan offers to heal Dani. He says something to the effect "I can make you feel better than you ever have in your life." Dani refuses so we don't get to see how he would have healed her.
Fast-foward to when she nearly dies in the church and is brought back to Chester's. They give her warm jello, she sleeps and when she wakes up she feels amazing. She remarks that her ever-present bruises are gone and she has no aches for the first time ever. It made me wonder if Ryodan did his healing on her. Maybe what she thought was warm Jello contained his blood?
Another random observation. When Ryo and Barrons are slain by the Crimson Hag --before they "die"-- they crack a joke. Dani remarks how she wants to be like them and die smiling or joking. She doesn't seem to realize that she already is like them. Earlier, when she was about to die in the Church she started laughing. Ryodan later asked her why she laughed and she responds "Death is an adventure." I think she stoked the fires of Ryo's admiration in that moment.
I have a theory about what Ryodan and Barrons might be, but need some help. I just finished re-reading the 2nd Highlander book and it's main character is a Berserker. Do Ryodan and Barron's have blue eyes? I'm trying to remember. At the end ---SPOILER---of To Tame A Highlander in 1500's Scotland, we learn that the Berserkers are changing and becoming more powerful with each new generation, being born with powers immediately rather than maturing into them, etc... In the book they heal quick, no one knows how to kill them( although the generation in the book are not immortal....yet) they move faster than the human eye can track, they have incredibly heightened senses, strength and shift into beast form...hmmm...it connects in a lot of ways to me!!
Jesse wrote: "I have a theory about what Ryodan and Barrons might be, but need some help. I just finished re-reading the 2nd Highlander book and it's main character is a Berserker. Do Ryodan and Barron's have bl..."Don't think they are the same thing, but definitely have similar abilities. I remember one time when Mac is in Barrons head she sees him die one night and then is changed the next day. immediately, not over gnereations and what about the beast they become? Also, he mentions something about serving a lady/women. That they let her down in some way. Maybe she changed them. And they are extremely old and ancient.
True Love Forever wrote: "Jesse wrote: "I have a theory about what Ryodan and Barrons might be, but need some help. I just finished re-reading the 2nd Highlander book and it's main character is a Berserker. Do Ryodan and Ba..."Another thought ... can they even reproduce now that they are changed. Barrons had a son before they were changed. But Ryodan hints that Dani might be one of their children.
True Love Forever wrote: "True Love Forever wrote: "Jesse wrote: "I have a theory about what Ryodan and Barrons might be, but need some help. I just finished re-reading the 2nd Highlander book and it's main character is a B..."When did he make that hint?
Kyra wrote: "True Love Forever wrote: "True Love Forever wrote: "Jesse wrote: "I have a theory about what Ryodan and Barrons might be, but need some help. I just finished re-reading the 2nd Highlander book and ..."I have to say, I didn't catch that hint either.
Which hint? I can go find the quote and page #.
That Dani might be one of their children.
I will look it up. I know KKM said that Ryo is not her father in an interview she did.
I thought they were mercenaries. You mean like their last mission they may have failed!? I know I remember Barrons saying they were getting too greedy and that they should have turned something down and that it went all wrong
I don't remember any of this...guess it's time for a reread. Ha.
I recall it from Shadowfever when Barrons was telling Mac about his son
I don't remember them serving a lady. I do remember that he said that they should have passed on that last mission
Here's a good wrap up on Hanging with Bells Blog:
http://hangingwithbells.blogspot.com/...
here's a few i thought were interesting and some of what u guys have touched on:
Why do we not know what Ryodan looks like?
Barrons is a man who cannot be defined by a label. I want you to get to know Ryodan--for now--without focusing on his looks. No more no less. As a writer, it's too easy to distort the lens. When I begin to write a character I'm crazy about, I'm very careful. Beginnings are fragile things.
Alright this has been killing me to ask but did RYO tattoo Dani? After she wakes up in the basement she keeps talking about how the back of her skull/neck burns and she mentions that a few times after. Then when he used that spell to make her eat a candy bar she says the same thing. I think she is but DID HE?
I would think anytime a person spent time unconscious around one of the Nine and woke up with the back of their skull sore they'd probably want to check it. But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
OHHH!!! Are Jo and Ryodan a permanent couple?!?
Do you guys really need to ask that? Where's the faith? Do you think I don't know you need another epic hot duo? Trust me to get you there. I think a lot of folks expected that ICED would somehow trump Shadowfever which was the climax in a slow, intense four-book buildup. I just started the buildup over again. ICED is more like Darkfever where you aren't sure you like the characters yet...remember how many of you thought Mac was TSTL and Barrons too old?Many people had strong reactions to ICED. I expected you to. I'm trying with 100% of my writing ability to ultimately deliver something that TOPS your emotional reaction to the Fever Series. I won't get there without risk.Jo has her own story of transformation going on guys. Believe me, she doesn't stay the way she is.
Will mac forgive dani?
Would you?
Soo.. i duno about anyone else.. but i was devasted and really mad about this Ryodan and Joe.. is there something else going on there.. please tell me Ryodan is just using his time with her until Dani grows up!
Ok, that's it. I wrote her too good. Crimeny. You were SUPPOSED to be irritated by this. Just not quite so bent out of shape. It's intended to make you feel all those things: Ew, Jo doesn't deserve him, Ew, what about Dani, Ew, what about Ryodan anyway because we really can't get a "romantic" feel for him in this book (because you're not supposed to yet.) ICED is book 6 in the series but book 1 in this trilogy. This is the foundation where I lay out the characters, establish their flaws, point you toward the hero's journey. Can't be a journey if everybody's already at the end of Perfect Street.
Karen, I love your books you are by far my favorite Author, however will Dani be older quickly in the 2nd book?
She does get older in the second book.
If you're trying to force the story to be a straight up romance, it's going to be weird for you. You have to suspend that need and read the story for what it is. I believe that--in the end--what I'm writing will prove an even better love story than Mac & Barrons. With all the hot sexy stuff. Keep the faith.Remember the risks I took with you in the Fever Series. You're facing new risks. Same writer, same ultimate goal: to tell you a kick ass good story with an amazing romance at the core of it. But you guys who are struggling have GOT to lose your fecking preconceptions. Stop labeling. Stop trying to force things into assumption boxes. I thought Barrons taught you something LOL!
Is Christian Mackeltar going to take the place of V'lane in the next book as our sexy-by-death Fae but without the scheming?
Here's a bone: transformation. That's what fascinates me. As much as you currently struggle with what Christian is you will one day love him.
The MacKeltars are all about their clan. Why aren't they helping Christian try to reverse the change?
Because Christian isn't cooperating. There's a lot that goes on behind scenes that you haven't seen yet. ICED was actually a pretty long book. I can't put everything in right away. Or I'd have to just keep writing. And writing. And 1000 pages and five GRRM years later you'd get a book. haha.
....good stuff!