Truth discussion

In this novel many of the questions from CONSEQUENCES are answered. But one question still remains: Why did Tony charged Claire with attempted murder. What are your opinion?

I think it had something to do with the fact he said he made promises and had to keep them. He stated that giving her the option to plead insanity was her "out" but she didn't take it.

Odd that he didn't think abusing her for life was sufficient punishment.

That's a good question. In my opinion, I thought at first it had to do with the fact that he wanted to go through with his revenge.... But hello I think all that mental, emotional, and physical abuse would be enough. Guess not. But I actually think he did it because he felt like he was losing too much control, he loved her and I guess he was conflicted with the way he was feeling so he felt he didn't want her near but somewhere he could still control or manipulate her. I also think he knew it was getting to the point where she pretty much was over it and getting tired of him and pretty soon she was gonna leave him.

I agree with Sasha. Tony knew he was losing her. He even said to her in one of his vulnerable moments that there would be consequences if he she ever left him. She had no idea that he would take it that far. He set her up for attempted murder but planned to keep control of her by putting her in a mental institution. Maybe she would stay institutionalized somewhere forever but at least no one else could have her and she wouldn't be dead. I think that's the loop hole he was talking about.

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Pengwen wrote: "I agree with Sasha. Tony knew he was losing her. He even said to her in one of his vulnerable moments that there would be consequences if he she ever left him. She had no idea that he would take it..."

Soooo.... true, i wonder if she would have tooken him up on it... would he have left her to rote there or freed her from the mental asylum? Either way i so loved the way she basically said screw u and took the jail time

I think he originally wanted to make her suffer (for the sins of her forefathers) the loophole was that he didn't intend to fall in love with her.

When he realised this, the fear of losing her and the possibility of her talking if he did lose her would be an issue; he needed/wanted complete control!

His rights as a husband wasn't enough, so he had to devise something solid (whether that was a rework of an original plan or a new one?).

The plan was then devised where he would have ultimate and legal control and if she'd have pleaded insanity he would have had this; being her next of kin he could sign her in and out of the asylum/hospital when he needed to reign her in. This way he would have had all the control with the added bonus that the law was on his side. This would also provide the perfect reasoning if she talked about her original abduction and his ill treatment of her - she was insane!

'Appearances' would be maintained!!!

But of course we know she didn't plead insanity - his control was lost, along with possibly a small piece of his own sanity...

Hi! Good question! I think its a any, but most probably a misxture of all of these:

1. He wanted to punish her but not for her gradfather's "fault" to the Rawlins (I realized this in Truth) but because he thought he left her. That was her consequence, accident. He wants to punish her with that but mainly using the insanity plea track.

2. Appearance. I think he charged her because he doesn't want to be the villain to the press, media, the people. He didn't want the people or anyone for that matter to speculate or manipulate the situation of her "leaving" him. So he does what he always does, he closes the argument. Also, at this point maybe he loves heror but not enough to sacrifice his Achilles heel then, his appearance. Though he clearly grew in Truth, especially his love for Claire.

3. He was mad at her for not being under his control on that day. Or at least he was just mad.

I truly think he didn't plot it. I think he just charged her as a means to an end.

I hope I shed some light.

Gabriel wrote: "In this novel many of the questions from CONSEQUENCES are answered. But one question still remains: Why did Tony charged Claire with attempted murder. What are your opinion?"

I think he did that because he had all that planned out and even though it appears to us that he actually loves her, but he obviously doesn't.He thinks he does !!!! Which is hilarious because that's the worst way to show it to a person !!! I understood that in TRUTH- after she defied him by not accepting to plead "insane"- she kind of won that round which made him realize that she is really special :D :D

question : ********** I just wanna be sure about one think because people started to confuse me with their ideas !!! Claire is finally with Tony ! and he IS her husband !!! HE didn't die ! right ??

Maryem Baddouj wrote: "question : ********** I just wanna be sure about one think because people started to confuse me with their ideas !!! Claire is finally with Tony ! and he IS her husband !!! HE didn't die ! right ??"

If ur asking about the ending of Truth, well were unsure and its a mystery we will find out till the next book. Bummer i know, sux! I hope its Tony!!!!! not Phil or Harry.

Sasha wrote: "That's a good question. In my opinion, I thought at first it had to do with the fact that he wanted to go through with his revenge.... But hello I think all that mental, emotional, and physical abu..."

That's kind of how I saw it too.
He had made 2 promises - one was to his grandfather to make all of those people and their relatives pay and the second was to Claire to never hurt her again like he did. I think her incarceration was the loophole because she remained alive and unhurt (unlike so many others who have died in the vendetta). As long as she was in jail he was...as he said ...protecting her from himself but yet still also keeping his promise to his grandfather to make those people suffer/pay. He is, after all, a man of his word.

I think it was his loophole to get his revenge/promise to his grandfather but also keep her. I think we all figured his vendetta led to the murder of those involved; it seems that way - but I think Catherine is the only one who actually murdered anyone. Tony may have ruined their lives - but by her getting charged/sentenced he fulfilled his brief - then he could arrange for her release and carry out his promise to love her forever. His decision to divorce her only happened when she did not take the deal. I think if she had plead insanity he would have stayed married to her.

The main reason I think his goal was destruction vs. murder was because Emily...He destroyed her by taking away Claire (which their relationship never recovered) and taking John - putting him in jail, away from her - she lost her job her sister and husband. If he was really seeking his revenge by murder she would have suffered an accident.

Michelle wrote: "I think it was his loophole to get his revenge/promise to his grandfather but also keep her. I think we all figured his vendetta led to the murder of those involved; it seems that way - but I thin..."

Sounds right on to me !! I am sure there are a few more twists to come. Can't freakin wait !! It's killing me !

Terri wrote: "Michelle wrote: "I think it was his loophole to get his revenge/promise to his grandfather but also keep her. I think we all figured his vendetta led to the murder of those involved; it seems that..."

Same here. Although I am so glad I read them - Part wishes I had waited until book 3 was out.

I think it was Catherine who did it. For some reason she is stuck in my head. I think after talking to her he felt she was innocent. I think more will come out in the next book but maybe i'm way off!

So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they coulnd't be anything serious w/Tony still in the picure but I liked hiim.

Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they coulnd't be anything serious w/Tony still in the pi..."

Yes...and I loved him too, but I was drawn to Tony. I think his past screwed him up but there was hope for him and he was becoming better.

Talia wrote: "Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they coulnd't be anything serious w/Tony..."

I was so drawn to Tony too. When he was good he was soooo good and smooth and sexy. But when he was bad ugh! How can that be?

Shamika wrote: "Talia wrote: "Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they coulnd't be anything ..."

I have a feeling in book 3 we will find Catherine is responsible for a lot, at least that is what i hope for because i'm team Tony as well!! I know he has it in him ! Go Tony!!

Terri wrote:
On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they couln..."

Although Tony is not a saint, I think that the death of Claire's parents will fall on Catherine's shoulders.

We already know that Catherine killed Tony's parents (I doubt it was the accident she reported it as), and to get revenge on Claire and her sister, he put her in jail, and cost John is job - put him in jail. If we was evil enough to kill their parents - his wrath towards them would have been more severe.

Tony is guilty of the crimes against Claire - but I just have a feeling that the one who carried out the 'accidents' of the Nichols/Burke bloodlines all come back to that crazy bitch Catherine.

I can't believe Catherine! Was I the only one shocked? I tend to be too naive. Ugh. She is certainly evil and conniving.

Do we think that Tony poisoned himself ? Does Tony think that Claire poisoned him? Do I think that Catherine poisoned him and with the unknowing help of Eric, helped Claire to take the car, leaving Tony to mistakenly believe Claire was leaving him - and thereby make the choices he did? Could Catherine have manipulated Tony into accepting his own consequences in the same was that Tony did to Claire?

Catherine seemed suspicious to me from the first book. I thought she was the one that tried to poison him idk why I did. I guess becayse she supported everything he did but also because shes the one that takes care of the house pretty much. I knew tony and catherine had something else going on and the truth confirmed that.

Read his pov in the dreams scene from truth that is posted on the discussion group. You have to join in order to be able to. He states thT Catherine and him had everything to do with the poisoning. I believe he wanted to make her pay and suffer for what her ancestors did. He nevrr imagied falling for her. Now regarding jail the reason he gave her an option was to keep tabs on her but she handed herself to the state police and court so he couldnt buy her way out of it. Now I do have a hard time understanding why she loves him but you gotta remembrr she nevrr compleatly loved him she always had a love/hate thing going on for him because of the thing he did in the beginning.

Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

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Oh yeah. 100%. No doubt in my mind that Catherine has some type of mental problem and tried to poison Tony. She's trying to avenge everything that was done to her and Grandfather Rawls. Even if it means hurting the grandson who has protected her from going to jail for killing his parents. How do you protect those who have killed your parents? Really? Now she's trying to kill him and have control, which is the theme for these books, of everything.
This book is great!

I think Tony poisoned himself. It's all too suspicious how on this one day he sends Claire to get him coffee then sends him out to Eric. And this is the day he is poisoned. I think the poisoning was his way to make Claire pay for the grandfather's involvement in Nathaniel's imprisonment. The punishment may have been 'light' because he loved her and didn't want her to suffer for long.

About Catherine, she feels genuine at first, until it appears that she will execute revenge on Tony for his father's sins.

Talia wrote: "Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they coulnd't be anything serious w/Tony..."

I agree

Irene wrote: "I think Tony poisoned himself. It's all too suspicious how on this one day he sends Claire to get him coffee then sends him out to Eric. And this is the day he is poisoned. I think the poisoning wa..."

Charlotte wrote: "Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?
yep she definitely did it, and I was feeling sorry for her at first.....

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Oh yeah. 100%. No doubt in my mind that Catherine has some type of mental proble..."

I really think Tony's a victim in all this, It all stem from Catherine and her involvement with the grandfather....She played on Tony emotions all these years.....

Talia wrote: "I think it was Catherine who did it. For some reason she is stuck in my head. I think after talking to her he felt she was innocent. I think more will come out in the next book but maybe i'm way..."


I agree 100%

Tanya wrote: "I really think Tony's a victim in all this,

Tanya, That's a very interesting point of view you have about Tony. I can see him as the victim, also. He's a man of his word. He made a promise to his grandfather and he has kept that promise.....but at what cost? I see this being his weakness because Catherine is using it against him and those he loves. WOW. Thanks for the enlightenment. :-D

:) Your welcome, I also think claire a smart cookie and shouldn't be underestimated she going to help Tony redeem himself....

Tanya wrote: "I really think Tony's a victim in all this, It all stem from Catherine and her involvement with the grandfather....She played on Tony emotions all these years....."

yes he was played and manipulated by catherine all those years but he was not exactly innocent(he has a diabolical mind in leu for planning simon's murder)..but he has actually tried on his own way to redeem himself and felt remorse for lot of his actions especially towards claire(starting with liking her boldness and missing her for 1 year and then being bothered enough to save john and emily in CONVICTED...)honestly, anthony rawlings of 2010 would not be so compliant to let do claire did whatever she did in TRUTH(researching on his past or not isolating her when in the estate or causing an accident with harry for being a romantic threat, who know what else! ) or be bothered to save anybody but himself.he is too smart for that

Tony was "testing" Claire...could he trust her? Would she run if given the opportunity or choose to stay with him? It broke his heart when she chose to take the car & run and since there's always a "consequence" for every action - he charged her with attempted murder. He had planned to drink the small dose of poison (& those of you who have finished the series KNOW who dosed him)ONLY if she chose to drive away...he had her consequence planned - going to jail (or mental institute). He was just praying she wouldn't do it - that she would choose him. I think for the first time in his life, he had real "hope" that someone loved him & he could trust her. At this point, her actions told him he was wrong. Thus the consequences...

Sandra wrote: "Tony was "testing" Claire...could he trust her? Would she run if given the opportunity or choose to stay with him? It broke his heart when she chose to take the car & run and since there's always..."

...I believe this as well..even though he said she could leave when he proposed he could never be sure..so he had to know...at this point I believe she felt Emily and John were safe and SHE knew she was just going for a ride. It was a harsh consequence(maybe for Catherine's benefit?) but I don't think he thought she would leave. With no pre-nup it had to be attempted murder. I never understood why Catherine just did not kill Claire- but then again we would have no story if she did.

Claire and Tony wanted each other and Claire could not just admit it so she went along with the whole scenario - physical release with no emotional burden.

Kallie wrote: "Sandra wrote: "Tony was "testing" Claire...could he trust her? Would she run if given the opportunity or choose to stay with him? It broke his heart when she chose to take the car & run and since..."

the last two lines refer to??harry and claire relationship??

Terri wrote: "Shamika wrote: "Talia wrote: "Shamika wrote: "So do you guys think Catherine was in on the supposed poisoning and attempted murder plot?

On another note, I really liked Harry. I knew they couln..."

i understood claire's reasoning better for being with harry when aleatha answered my question abt it in the support group but the more i read through the book the more i saw that claire is basically ignoring harry's intention of taking slowly a relationship.how could she just do a no-strings attached thing was still confusing.she is a sensitive and smart person yet still she went ahead with it.similarly she ignored john and emily's hurt and confusion too...they deserved an explaination even if they did'nt understand her decision.i was sorry for him in this book but not in CONVICTED(view spoiler)[his sudden unprofesional advances on claire is still at odds with his successful career in FBI.he chose FBI over his wife and kid and personel life and he just suddenly screws it for claire! (hide spoiler)] i hope the author just removes this particular character infraction someday in future please!