Reading with Style discussion

Sam wrote: "I have a question that's (kind of) similar to the one that was posted earlier about In Search of Lost Time being broken up...I'm reading Les Misérables, but it seems like the French version is only..."

Les Miserables was originally published as a single volume April 4, 1862. Other editions were published in several volume sets, but it is still a single novel. I know it's long - but you'll get lots of points for it!

The difference with In Search of Lost Time, though now considered a single novel, is that its component parts were originally published separately; the first - Swann's Way - in 1913, and then subsequent volumes in 1918, 1921, and finally additional volumes posthumously.

Darn! My main issue is that I can't find the second volume anywhere =\ Well, that and the fact that I'm not sure I can finish a 2000 page French book in 2 months!

But thanks for the answer! :)

Sam wrote: "Darn! My main issue is that I can't find the second volume anywhere =\ Well, that and the fact that I'm not sure I can finish a 2000 page French book in 2 months!

But thanks for the answer! :)"

They are available - in French - at Project Gutenberg. Liz has said those aren't the best, necessarily, but free is good.

I figure I probably have another few weeks at least before I'll need the second volume, so I'm hoping I'll be able to find the second volume in the same edition I have of the first before then. If not, I'll try the PG one.

The Gutenberg is in 5 volumes, but they each have a linked Table of Contents. I'm sure you could figure out where your Volume 1 leaves off and which you would want to download.

What about 1Q84? It was actually originally published in Japanese in three volumes, but I think is pretty much always one book in English. I'd been thinking of it as one book, but this discussion made me wonder about that.

And to confuse things even more, the first two volumes of 1Q84 were published at the same time, and the third one separately, later.

Regardless of what the original publication was, we are determining "novels" based on the goodreads database. For In Search of Lost Time, the various volumes (in their various combinations) are linked as a SERIES. For Les Mis & 1Q84, individual volumes are combined with the full-length works. Therefore In Search of Lost Time is 6 (or 7) books, and Les Mis & 1Q84 are each a single novel.

CANON QUESTION:

T. S. Eliot is listed in Bloom's canon--it says complete poems and plays. The edition I read is complete poems, but no plays are included. Does this still count since no particular titles are listed on the canon list anyway?

Thanks!

Camille wrote: "CANON QUESTION:

T. S. Eliot is listed in Bloom's canon--it says complete poems and plays. The edition I read is complete poems, but no plays are included. Does this still count since no particular..."

Yes. When the canon says "selected" or "complete" poems, plays or stories, we will accept any collection by that specific author of the type. Anthologies which include other authors do not qualify for the canon style. As always, though, if you're unsure, feel free to ask about a specific edition.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Camille wrote: "CANON QUESTION:

T. S. Eliot is listed in Bloom's canon--it says complete poems and plays. The edition I read is complete poems, but no plays are included. Does this still count sin..."

Thanks! This is only the work of Eliot and includes a few essays as well. I'm excited to get these style points!

I have a question about Canon points for Maxim Gorky. His autobiography is listed on the canon, but it was actually written and published as a trilogy between 1913-1923 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Go...
So if I read only part one, My Childhood, will it still qualify for Canon points, or do I need to read all three parts?

Update: I just realized the book won't work in any of this season's tasks, but maybe I can use the answer to my question in the future.

D wrote: "I have a question about Canon points for Maxim Gorky. His autobiography is listed on the canon, but it was actually written and published as a trilogy between 1913-1923 http://en.wikipedia.org/wik..."

Yes, you can read parts of it. We would qualify this the same as "Collected Stories", and also as for those series that have just a single entry.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Yes, you can read parts of it. We would qualify this the same as "Collected Stories", and also as for those series that have just a single entry."

OK, thanks!

I had claimed the book My Name is Mary Sutter by Robin Oliveira for the 10.2 Pronoun challenge. It had been accepted as points used on the Readerboard. No one said anything, but I read a note to someone else in the group who used a book with the pronoun "my" in the title and that person was told that "my" was not on the approved list. I checked and that sounds right. "Myself" was one of the options, but not "my."

Should I change my scoring? I can use the book for 20.4 and it will actually give me more points that way. I am not really looking to change things up for more points as it is fun to check off different challenges.

Please let me know what you want me to do.

Mike

Mike wrote: "I had claimed the book My Name is Mary Sutter by Robin Oliveira for the 10.2 Pronoun challenge. It had been accepted as points used on the Readerboard. No one said anything, but I read a note to ..."

Yes, I think Kate will want to make some changes. If you will make a note in the Completed Tasks thread as to the original post #, and how you'd like to change it, we will get it corrected. Thank you.

Hi I want to claim Pinocchio.

It was originally serialized but then published in its entirety in February 1883. Does this work for 10.7? Buy Nothing Christmas

Also, am I correct in assuming it wouldn't get style points?

Okay, I need a ruling, I am going to be reading this book . In one of the reviews, it says this book was published serially between 1880-1890s. However, on the GR's page is said it was published 2008. Assuming I can fit a task for this book, which publication date do i use?

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "Okay, I need a ruling, I am going to be reading this book . In one of the reviews, it says this book was published s..."

Please use the date the last story was originally published: 1890.

Okay, I looked all over the tasks for this challenge and there isn't a single task I can fit into. Does anyone have any ideas?

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "Okay, I looked all over the tasks for this challenge and there isn't a single task I can fit into. Does anyone have..."

How about 10.9? There seem to be several publishers called Pegasus so I can't be sure if it would fit ... if you have the book, maybe you can figure out who they are and whether they're independent?

I used 10.9 and i think you can only use that once I thought.

Oh :(
Can't think of anything then ... unless your other 10.9 book would qualify for another task and you could move it?

Christine wrote: "Hey guys, does Breakfast at Tiffany's qualify for not a novel style points? The book is a novella plus 3 short stories. Thanks for your time."

Yes, this will be identifed as short stories and will qualify for non a novel style. Sorry we didn't answer you sooner. (And you're up awfully early!)

Rosemary wrote: "Oh :(
Can't think of anything then ... unless your other 10.9 book would qualify for another task and you could move it?"

The book I used 10.9 for didn't fit any other task unfortunately.

For the Non-Western Style category where would New Zeland fit?

Would it be considered part of the Western World or Not?

New Zealand is considered Western.

Ok thanks, I was not sure

Silver wrote: "Ok thanks, I was not sure"

not a problem

I was wondering if someone could help me out. I read by Melody Carlson. I wanted to use it for the Winter Trees task. I thought I read on a website her bio and it said she was born 1956. I went back to check and none of the sites I googled have a birth year. I am reading by Donna VanLiere and I tried to track down a birth year and I can't find any birth year for her. I also wanted to use Winter Trees task for this book. Could someone point me in the direction of some birth years for these authors. It doesn't say on the author pages of the books. Or if these books can fit another task, I would take that too.

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "I was wondering if someone could help me out. I read by Melody Carlson. I wanted to use it for the Winter Trees task. I thought I read on a website her..."

Jayme, I don't find a birth year for Donna VanLiere, but wikipedia has 1956 for Melody Carlson, so you can use that book there.

For the Donna VanLiere book, what ISBN/edition are you reading?

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "I am reading by Donna VanLiere and I tried to track down a birth year and I can't find any birth year for her. "

Looks like she was born in 1966. On Amazon, find her book, The Christmas Blessing, ISBN 1591451310. Use the "click to look inside feature" and go to the copyright page. It says she was born in 1966.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "For the Donna VanLiere book, what ISBN/edition are you reading?"

The ISBN is 0-312-33450-8

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "I was wondering if someone could help me out. I read by Melody Carlson. I wanted to use it for the Winter Trees task. I..."

That's where I orginally found it but when I went back to check I didn't see it for Melody Carlson.

Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "For the Donna VanLiere book, what ISBN/edition are you reading?"

The ISBN is 0-312-33450-8"

There is one edition that might have worked for the Penguin task, but that isn't it. I don't have any other ideas for it, sorry.

no prob, thanks for trying.

Did we lose the thread Suggestions for Future Challenges / Style Points?

Rebekah wrote: "Did we lose the thread Suggestions for Future Challenges / Style Points?"

Yes, for some reason those threads have gone missing. I have reported it. Please post in the socializing/announcements thread for the time being.

Rebekah wrote: "Did we lose the thread Suggestions for Future Challenges / Style Points?"

Threads/folders that are inactive for a certain period of time (60 days? 90 days?) drop off the home page, but can be found by clicking "Discussions" in the upper right under "group home" or the "more discussions" link on the bottom of the group home page.

Hi I asked a question a couple of weeks ago.
Did it get missed?
Thanks :)

Rachelccameron wrote: "Hi I asked a question a couple of weeks ago.
Did it get missed?
Thanks :)"


Yes, sorry that one got lost in the shuffle. Yes, your Pinocchio works for Feb 1883, and even better, there is an 840 Lexile for it, so you can even have styles.

Hi -- I have two authors that I want to claim as non-western but am not sure that they fit.

Isabel Allende: born in Peru, writes in Spanish, considered "a leading Latin American writer"; lives in California, and, as of 2003, an American citizen. (My post #36 will have an extra +10 if approved)

Daina Chaviano: born in Cuba, writes in Spanish. http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/... states: "In 1991 she left Cuba, establishing residency in the United States". (Her book will be in a future post.)

Thanks!

Deedee wrote: "Hi -- I have two authors that I want to claim as non-western but am not sure that they fit.

Isabel Allende: born in Peru, writes in Spanish, considered "a leading Latin American writer"; lives in ..."

Allende has US citizenship, so she is Western, so no +10 for that one.

Chaviano, however, appears to have retained her Cuban citizenship, and will be classified as non-Western.

Happy reading!

I found this book at school:

Classic Tales and Fables for Children by Leo Tolstoy

I'd like to read it either for this challenge or spring, but I'm stumped on how it counts as far as potential style points go. I can't find it at BPL, it has no lexile listed, and the canon states shorter novels, but not short stories or tales for Tolstoy. I'll read it no matter what if I can fit it in. I just want an advanced ruling on style points, mostly for the non-western points. Thanks!

Karen GHHS wrote: "I found this book at school:

Classic Tales and Fables for Children by Leo Tolstoy

I'd like to read it either for this challenge or spring, but I'm stumped on how it counts as far as potential sty..."

If the BPL doesn't have it shelved, lexile is not considered in any way, so that is not a limited factor. These appear to be short stories, so they aren't included in his "short novels" for the canon. I'll have to fix the pub date, 1962 isn't correct.