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@Billy
Have we established whether or not the average women turns to prostitution?

Ella wrote: "@Billy
Have we established whether or not the average women turns to prostitution?"

Lia said that many women have no other option than to turn to prostitution. In this situation, what do many males do?

Lia wrote: "Wow, when did I say MANY women turn to prostitution? Or the average woman will turn to prostitution? NO. I said that prostitutes turn to prostitution because they have no other option."

I guess I misinterpreted. You were saying that its impossible to find jobs, and women were forced to turn to prostitution because of this, so from that, I assumed many women turned to prostitution.

Lia wrote: "Nah, I just said that women turn to prostitution because it's hard to find jobs, I didn't say many of them did or the average woman will. I meant that sometimes prostitution is the only choice for ..."

Thats very sad...

@Lia
Oh the law is more then friendly to caucasian, cisgender, upper class, female rape victims. But when the victim does not fit into this minority, of course, the victim deserves it *sarcasm*.

http://www.everydaysexism.com/

I think it's a great site. I wish there was something like that for men too though...

Ella wrote: "http://www.everydaysexism.com/

I think it's a great site. I wish there was something like that for men too though..."

Great site? Its a site for women to whine about how "bad" their life is. I imagine their lives can't be too bad, having internet access, assuming most of them have a home.

If they really cared about "sexism" they would be talking to government officials, the police, ect.

"Oh I was wearing a bikini...a guy looked at me!"

@Jason
... Did you even read the posts? This is why people don't report sexual assault and harassment. Because they are "whining". You can't assume their lives are great, you don't know every individual's situation. Is it really a big deal if someone asks someone else to treat them like a person, not an object? I'm not saying people can't look at other people (unless you're being extremely stalker-ish).

@Jason
The people do care about sexism. But people will be turned away, like most rape victims are. People do go to officials. But what have they done about it? Nothing. Because people are taught that it's normal.

H99 wrote: ""Oh I was wearing a bikini...a guy looked at me!"

Did you read the posts?

I have constantly had problems with my maths teacher. I am not the best at maths but I am a bit of a "Grammar Nazi". One..."

If they really had these problems, why not report it to the police or law enforcement? Is being anonymous on the internet going to help anything?

"I'm 17 now, and just had to quit my job because when I handed a man his change, he felt my arms and turned to my boss saying, 'how much?' to which my boss just laughed and said I could choose the price."

This is called a joke. It happens all the time, if a middle-aged woman said this to a 17 year old boy, it wouldn't be thought of twice.

@Jason
How is it a joke? The guy in the situation meant it as a joke, it certainly wasnt funny. He just dehumanized that woman. And it's considered normal? Great.

Wow, you girls do take things way to seriously.

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when discussing shaving with my (now ex) boyfriend, he told me i had to shave my legs if he could see hair and always shave my armpits"

Oh no! Sexism! Like a girl has never told a guy to shave before?

Sure, some of the posts are saddening. But most of it are extremely mild, and these girls have nothing better to do than complain about how they get "abused".

Ella wrote: "@H99
But where do we draw the line? We can't prove whether they were pressured or not. That's what makes rape such an iffy topic. Because it is hard to prove."

Yes, and there are many ways of blackmailing or emotionally matipulate someone into sex, specially if the person is your official date. There are cases in which the guy makes the girl feel insecure towards her body, to feel fat, ugly, etc., in order to get her self steem lower so that it becomes easier to get whatever he wants from her. There are jerks that flirt with the girl's friends in front of her as if saying aloud "If you don't please me, one of them definitely could". I am just talking about things I SAW happening, please don't call me naïve, I know it's pathetic but still happens a lot.

Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "
Is it really the only option for people? Theres many jobs out there...it seems like being a hooker may be the easiest and that is why some women choose it.

A..." I live in the third world, folks. It's not hard to get suitable a job. It's hard to get a well paid job (but not impossible either)

Carrie wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "
Is it really the only option for people? Theres many jobs out there...it seems like being a hooker may be the easiest and that is why some women..."

The best business men and women often come from backgrounds where it is difficult to get a well paid job. Look at Alan Sugar, he started by selling T.V parts out the back of a van and now he is worth £770m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JJFBt...

Watch this video, if a male did this, he would be put in jail and complained about on those silly sexism websites.

@Jason
Actually, a male did do this, and the results can be found on their channel.

Evan wrote: "Carrie wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "
Is it really the only option for people? Theres many jobs out there...it seems like being a hooker may be the easiest and that is..."

Did I mention earlier that I live in the Third World? lol. I don' t have the smallest idea who Alan Sugar is (but dr.Google can tell me in a few minutes, I hope). All I know is the most whealthy people in Brazil are all born so (like Eike Bastista and José Sarney - maybe you could spend a moment to google them too). The only exception is the TV Wizard Silvio Santos, but even he became a ward of a rich entrepeuner and politician in the very begining of his carrer.

Lia wrote: "Carrie wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "Billy wrote: "Lia wrote: "
Is it really the only option for people? Theres many jobs out there...it seems like being a hooker may be the easiest and that is..."

Really? And what do you consider a well paid job? Is is a gig that makes you able to pay your bills without any kind of help/support? because if it is so, it's the same here.

H99 wrote: "
Aged 18- Walking to college, again, an older man stops me and will not stop telling me how beautiful my eyes are. Asks for my phone number, and I lie, telling him I have no phone. I see some mal..."

I am very sad while reading to your story. These events must have caused serious emotional dangerous damage on you. Can I help you in some level other than my simpathy and compassion? Please write me if you like.

It was very impressive indeed! My heart was shaken

That's really heartbreaking. It pisses me off there are so many people suffering many levels of abuse and deprivation and we can't do anything because they are not able to relate it aloud!

He should be in Jail for the rest of his days.

Was he?

I think its a current case, I was watching a bit on the news earlier but I stopped as it was one of the kidnapped talking and I didn't want to hear about the experiences too scary.

@ Kaylee

Those women that you guys are talking about were in Cleveland, Ohio which is about 4 hours away from where I live and my friend's dad lives there! It is also about an hour away from my dream college!

That is scary, It's always scary when the news is near you.

I think both parties being drunk would probably be called a wash. Unless the man was forceful about it, anyway. Drunken mistakes happen somewhere everyday.

What's a woman who rapes someone called, then?

A 'rapist'..

I believe rape is far worse than murder. Who has done it is only responsible for it; why, what provoked etc don't matter, it's not debatable. Women should learn martial art or better carry a gun; even better get 'Rape aXe'(google if you don't know what RapeX is, it is instant justice!)

Som wrote: "What's a woman who rapes someone called, then?

A 'rapist'..

I believe rape is far worse than murder. Who has done it is only responsible for it; why, what provoked etc don't matter, it's not deba..."

Women aren't the only targets of rapists so I think both men and women would benefit from learning something like self defense.

@H99
It's really sad that women are so wary of men nowadays. Because there are so many great men out there who do respect women, and most men don't harass or rape others. But it happens so often (which is odd). 99%+ of women will/have been the victim of street harassment. *sigh*. Humanity.

RAPE... the word itself explains a lot.
NO, NO and another big NO!

Lia wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
It's really sad that women are so wary of men nowadays. Because there are so many great men out there who do respect women, and most men don't harass or rape others. But it happen..."

Yeah, in (a book whose title I can't think of right now!) the victim was slut-shamed so ferociously in school, while the rapists got no punishment at all.

Lia wrote: "Lo wrote: "Lia wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
It's really sad that women are so wary of men nowadays. Because there are so many great men out there who do respect women, and most men don't harass or rap..."

It would ruin someones life. The man she accuses will forever be judged. His friends will stop talking to him so might his family. They will all abandon him. His life will never be fixed from what the person accuses him of. Where ever he turns it will be there. All because someone wanted sympathy. In my view it is pathetic that someone would do that.

@Evan
Agreed. Also, it undermines real rape when it actually happens, making people skeptical when someone accuses someone else of rape.

H99 wrote: "Lia wrote: "That was too bad, it's a pretty interesting topic. But it's good to talk about it now! People who cry rape are terrible, they're just seeking attention at the expense of another's reput..."

I agree, though this is one reason the press really annoys me--a lot of the times rape victims that make it public suffer through horrible questions and requests to describe what happened from the press and other people like that. That could prevent someone from saying something--them being so embarrassed and horrified by potential questions, accusing, and maybe even theories blaming the victim or whatever. (Of course this doesn't always happen. But sometimes.)

Okay, I don't agree with this statement, but I wanna know your thoughts on it (though I think I know what you're going to say.) My friend said this to me once during an argument, "Rape is definitely horrible, but maybe the victim doesn't want to sue or testify against the rapist because s/he knows that the rapist has his/her own family that he/she cares about."

H99 wrote: "Lo, I don't quite understand what your friend said... They might think that the rapist's family might be hurt, is that what she's saying?"

Yeah, like the victim should spare the rapist a trial and things like that to protect the rapist's family.

Yeah--also, if you care about your family, don't commit a felony.

And then we have certain stars (I'm not going to name names but Justin Bieber we're looking at you) Glamourizing it or saying it is for a reason .

(Did he really? That's horrible!) What about Robin Thicke over here in the corner, and his song "Blurred Lines" which was basically just discussing the blurred lines of consent from the women he wanted to have sex with? (And he's married...he apparently cheated on his wife recently...I'm not really surprised.)

(Yep) I know I hate that song for that reason. (Me neither)