Terminalcoffee discussion

No, it's what you say when someone asks where the Jamaican sailor slept. De bunk, mon.

I've heard rumor that in some I/O psychology circles, thoughts are leaning towards EI/EQ (emotional intelligence/emotional quotient) as an aptitude tests more suited to a real world model - the concept is, to say to the least, intriguing.

Of course, the naysayers have their thoughts that the measures for testing are "too broad" (true), and it's not a true test of intelligence.

Meh... from all the literature on EI/EQ that I've read, the notion of "street smarts intelligence" keeps coming to mind. Maybe I'm offbase with that. Maybe not. IMHO, I think it seems to be a fairly practical measurement despite its vagueness.

And if you're wondering, Emotional Intelligence is defined as “the ability to monitor one's own and others' feelings and emotions, to discriminate among them and to use this information to guide one's thinking and actions.”

What are your thoughts on this?

I think emotional intelligence is really important, valid. There are other kinds of intelligences, of course. I suppose a high quotient of emotional intelligence gets you far though as it gives you the tools you need to negotiate the world of relationships, the workplace, society, etc.
I've forgotten the other terms though. Here in academia different types of intelligence get discussed a lot. Have to. Students are so varied in how they learn and what they bring to the classroom...

When I was a freshman in college, we were required to do the MBTI (Myers Briggs Type Indicator) during orientation. I've had to do it 3 times over the years... and my score has changed each time. The first and third scores were similar. The second score was the exact opposite of the other two - it was a time in my life when two people who were dear to me in life died unexpectedly(my grandfather and my friend's younger sister who was diagnosed with leukemia only two months before then - she was given a good prognosis for recovery and then suddenly died). I was still grieving.

It seems that any of these tests could be affected by ones current situation, and things like extreme grief or anger would cloud your outlook as well as judgement.

I would think that a test that measured classic intelligence, emotional aptitude and street smarts or common sense in the world would be closer to ideal. None of us are made up from just one kind of input/output mode, so something that takes in more factors seems better. It all comes back to the mind, body, spirit (emotions) quotient for me.

this is where i normally would insert a stupid remark but since this thread is about IQ i will refrain from making this an intelligence test where i fail miserably in front of you all (again)

Kevin, you have people intelligence, and you're quick with a quip, so I am not listening when you claim to be a dull bulb. So there!

just a minute jackie, i am still reading your comment

Kevin, you have people int.......

;) thanks

And... this is a secret so don't tell nobody...
Kevin is much smarter than he lets on to any of us!

Shhhhhhhh....

I teach that Gardener stuff.

Hmmm.... an intriguing list.

That Gardener stuff is heavily relied upon in Education.

sho is.

Sho' nuff

The tough part, from a teaching standpoint, is convincing potential students that 1) the point of MI is not to pigeonhole students, e.g. "you're a visual-spatial! Let's do everything visual-spatial for you!", and 2) trying to jam every intelligence into every lesson is a bad idea. Sometimes musical just doesn't fit, people;)

I do think it's a worthwhile bridge/organizer in framing the need to design varied lessons, though. And the students seem to buy into the concept pretty well.

I agree with that last part, RA. As an education student it helps to remember that I need to design lessons for a variety of learning styles. Since I don't have much experience in the classroom I don't just automatically know that. Ya know?

Here's a word I loathe: scaffolding.

Heh...that's hilarious, Sally...my students hate any form of the word "reflect", e.g. "It's important to reflect upon whether or not your students' learned..."

...my students hate any form of the word "reflect", e.g. "It's important to reflect upon whether or not your students' learned..."

I had a student tell me recently that I say the word "critical" too much in class. Everything is "critical" critical reading, critical analysis, critical argument structure.

Critical analysis

I like that list of Gardener's intelligence types. I think that if education is willing to identify a person's best mode of learning and gear studies with this framework, but teaching about each area within that framework, it would definitely be a bonus to students. Is this what they are attempting to do now? I have to admit that since I haven't been in the scholastic world for a while, I am not up on the latest techniques. What I learned at college was related to visual-auditory-kinesthetic modes of learning & expressing.

I've read that in Montessori (elementary grades) schools are much more fluid with helping the student learn by discovering their own manner of learning.

I bet it was the Montessori people who said that. Heh:)

It's not about the "one right approach" to me, it's about knowing when to use what approach to facilitate student learning. Sometimes lecture is the most effective way to facilitate student learning. I'd also say that you want your students to practice and develop all the intelligences.

Yeah, Buns, you said something important there; you have enough metacognitive awareness to understand when to use what strategy to your advantage. That's a trait of a good learner, and one that teachers try to model for their students.

I'm sounding a little professory here. Bleh.

Yeah, is the word "metacognitive" really needed in that sentence? Sheesh!

It is! It mother(bleep)ing is!

:)

(Actually, it is, in my eyes...it's the idea that you're consciously cognizant of your strategies, thinking, etc..."awareness" is too vague, and "metacognition" is too jargony. That's why I used both.)

Good answer, professor!

I like that word... even if I can't pronounce it!

I do agree with both of you... no one approach is going to fit the bill for all. And that isn't what I meant, for the record. ;)

I would love to have had a prof like you both. Maybe I would have finished my BA. hehehe

I feel like when I hear another grad student use the word "metacognitive" a bucket of green goo aught to dump on their head in some sort of intellectual leap ritual.

glances at the ceiling

I don't know if that would be good scaffolding, Sally.

Cinnamon wrote: "Kevin the Platitudinarian wrote: "i thought debunking was when you got out of bed?"

I watch Ghost Hunters sometimes and apparently their definition of debunking is to try and figure out the real..."

Cinnamon, your definition is correct. Kevin was being a smartass. Debunking, like, getting out of a bunk bed. You'll get to know Kevin pretty soon and learn to recognize the signs. :)

I use metacognition, guys. Also, infocognitive potential.

IQ = nothing.

It sounds like for you, Matthew, your "potential" was less of a gift than a curse.
I always hated when they'd put me in the classes for high achievers. Guess what? Since you're so smart, you get MORE WORK for the same grade. Isn't that great?
I just wanted to do the easy stuff in regular class, and then go back to my own books. This lead to some conflicts in my high school career.

I thought the advanced classes were easier. less busywork.

I like busywork, because you do it in class, and then you're done. I always hated homework.

"Kevin was being a smartass."

right. trying actually. again it seems i have failed. i certainly was laughing at you cinammon. sorry if you thought i was. mostly i try to laugh at me and sometimes i even screw that up.

((Kevin))

You don't fail!

ok, proof of my failure. my sincere post (it really is) was supposed to say "i certainly wasn't laughing at you cinammon"

geesh. think i will switch to facebook where you can make all the stupid mistakes you want. i am a dolt
(i love that word: dolt)

Are you an Indianapolis Dolt Kevin?

Oh, Jim. :)

yes. perfect. if i lived in CHI i would be a Scrub

Kevin the Platitudinarian wrote: "yes. perfect. if i lived in CHI i would be a Scrub"

I think they may have a whole team of them there right now, called the Bears! ;-D.

bun - i am not sure if i am impressed or offended

I think it's a great honor, Kevin.

oh good, i am happy then. reminds me of a description from The Roadrunner

exactly. we are on the same wavelength today. (don't look too closely at my wavelength though)