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I will be finishing this one up today. Do we continue with A Thin Ghost and Others and then A Warning to the Curious Ghost Stories? [snip] I have been excited about how this is going but I don't want to fatigue the rest of you guys. If you want to take a break from James, maybe we could hit Le Fanu or something and come back to James. I am more of the mind to finish these and then move on. But, that's just my OCD.
Either tack is fine with me, Ken. Maybe wait until this weekend or early next week in order to give everyone a chance to catch up with More Ghost Stories ?


I was reading last night S. T. Joshi's introduction to Volume 1 of the Penguin edition of James’ collected stories ( Count Magnus and Other Ghost Stories , 2005). I haven’t always been a fan of Joshi, especially when it comes to his earlier views on James, but I think he makes a number of interesting observations on certain aspects of James’ ghostly tales. In particular I had always noted (but had never reflected deeply on) the tendency for the bad guys in James’ stories to be scholars and religious figures. Hence we have the abbot in “The Treasure of Abbot Thomas”; the frustrated scholar Karswell in “Casting the Runes”; another learned figure, Mr. Abney, in “Lost Hearts”; Archdeacon Haynes from “The Stalls of Barchester Cathedral”, etc. It may be that James was simply writing about what he knew best, but Joshi makes a perhaps deeper point that such characters may embody the author’s deep hostility towards the “ungodly” colleagues who had begun to contend for control of the intellectual culture at Cambridge during James’ time there (e.g., James George Frazer and Bertrand Russell). In the emerging struggle between the religious conservatives and those who, following in the footsteps of Darwin, began to question the literalness of the bible, James was decidedly in the former camp. In Joshi’s words, “James uses such devices as occultism (the perversion of religion into impious magic and sorcery) and the misuse or miscontrual of biblical passages as a warning on the dangers of straying from orthodoxy”.

I think James left a lot more than usual on the table in this one. So many questions about (view spoiler) . The one just didn't gel with me as I felt it was pretty incomplete.


I liked this one, though it was a little wordy. (view spoiler)
3 of 5 stars.

I think of this story as very good — if not great — James. It starts a little slowly for my tastes (even for Monty), but if that’s a blemish, i..."
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I think of this story as very good — if not great — James. It starts a little slowly for my tastes (even for Monty), but if tha..."
I loved that line too! Creepy!!!!

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Charlene wrote (in part):
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I liked this one a lot. I liked the way in which the story was told, and I actually laughed in a couple of spots. (view spoiler)

Canavan, how is it that you've come to know so much about James? Is it just a personal pursuit or do you teach this subject or something similar?
If I’m to be honest I’ve long had a sort of literary obsession with James dating back to my discovery many years ago of a library copy of his 1931 Collected Ghost Stories . Most readers can point to one or more authors that for whatever reason just “click” with them. For me, one of those writers is James; when I first read his stories I felt a strong and immediate affinity for both his style and his themes.
As for my knowledge on the subject matter, I’ll confess to merely parroting the facts gathered by individuals who are far, far more informed that am I. I’ve been relying in the main on two sources. I’ve already mentioned the first one in a couple of previous comments, but — at the risk of sounding like a shill for the publisher — I will once again recommend Ash-Tree Press’ annotated A Pleasing Terror (2001). The Kindle version is available for $10; that may seem a bit steep for an e-book (especially given that the stories are freely available), but it really contains a wealth of information. There are are other annotated versions of some or all of James’ stories, but this is the one to buy.
A second source is Rosemary Pardoe's The Ghosts & Scholars M.R. James Newsletter. It has existed in one form or another since 1979 and currently comes out a few times a year. Many of the articles have been archived on-line here.
It’s a great source of information for all things Jamesian — not only for insights about James (his life and works), but also on others writing in James’ style. I doubt that anyone is as versed on MRJ as is Ms. Pardoe.

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I was speaking in a very recent comment about resources for M. R. James. I should have also mentioned a podcast I have only recently started listening to entitled A Podcast to the Curious (hosted by Will Ross and Mike Taylor). I listened this morning on the way in to work the episode for “Mr. Humphreys”, which can be found here. The episode spends a bit of time (mostly the last 15 minutes) discussing different ideas about just what Mr. Wilson might have been up to, making frequent reference to a Ghosts & Scholars article (Issue 24) written by Rosemary Pardoe and Jane Nicholls. That article can be read here. I won’t go into detail; suffice to say that, as noted earlier by Ken, there are loose ends here upon which to ponder.

I might check out that podcast later on tonight.

Top two favorites:
1995
1. " 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' "
2. "Casting the Runes"
2007
1. " 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' "
2. "Canon Alberic’s Scrap-Book"
Least favorite:
1995
1. "Two Doctors"
2. "After Dark in the Playing Fields"
2007
1. "After Dark in the Playing Fields"
2. "There Was a Man Dwelt by a Churchyard"
Most overrated:
1995
Not asked.
2007
1. " 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' "
2. "The Ash-Tree"
The results should be taken with a grain of salt given the sample size, but are still fun to consider. If you want to look at the full details, check here and here.

I will have to finish this last story in the second volume to decide which will be my favorite.

"Lost Hearts" and "Martin's Close"


(I’m posting this a day early; sorry! Feel free to ignore for the time being.)
With A Thin Ghost and Others we start to consider stories that are, if not bad, at least do not quite stack up to those in James’ first two books. Of course, that’s just my opinion; others disagree. In fact, there are those who think “A Warning to the Curious” (which appears in the fourth collection) ranks as the author’s best work.
I would give “The Residence at Whitminster” a passing grade, but kind of a grudging one. I like the basic premise here (as I typically do with James’ stuff), but felt the execution was a trifle subpar. (view spoiler)
3.0* (of 5)

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Meh. In many ways this comes off as a very typical James story. (view spoiler)
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This seemed to follow what is becoming a formulaic pattern in some of James' short stories: (view spoiler)

I didn't get this one at all!
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Canavan said (in part) Meh. In many ways this comes off as a very typical James story. Mr. James Denton, if not a scholar, is a bibliophile (as was James, of course). We also ha..."
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Charlene wrote (in part):
Meh? I loved it! Loved. It. :)
Well, I didn’t really dislike the story, Charlene. You're probably correct in implying that my use of “meh” may have been unduly dismissive. I did indeed admire and enjoy the passage you describe. But I do come away from this one feeling that it (like other stories in the last two collections we’ll be considering) are somehow “lesser” James.

I last read this story a year or so ago and felt at that time that it fell somewhere in the bottom 50% of the James canon. But (for whatever reason) upon re-reading it last night, I found it better than I remembered. (view spoiler)
3.0* (of 5)

Charlene wrote (in part):
I am a HUGE fan of The Yellow Wallpaper, but I don't really see anything similar between the two. I view TYW as a commentary on..."
Ahhh, I see, it's the patterns. Thanks for taking the time and even including quotes. Nice!

This is, I'm afraid, my least favorite story of those found in A Thin Ghost . Oddly, it turns out that it was something of a favorite of the author. According to Rosemary Pardoe, James "revived it for his final Christmas ghost story reading at Cambridge in 1934" (Ghosts & Scholars, Issue 14). And in James' 1931 essay "Ghosts, Treat Them Gently!", he mentions that Punch and Judy sparked his early interest in ghosts: "In my childhood I chanced to see a toy Punch and Judy set, with figures cut out in cardboard. One of these was The Ghost. It was a tall figure habited in white with an unnaturally long and narrow head, also surrounded with white, and a dismal visage. Upon this my conceptions of a ghost were based, and for years it permeated my dreams."
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1.5* (of 5)

I last read this story a year or so ago and felt at that time that it fell somewhere in the bottom 50% of the James canon. But (for whatever reason..."
I don't want or need all of the dots connected either. In fact, in most instances, leaving a question hanging out there adds to the mystique of the story. I am more upset because I like the direction a story is going and would like more of it.

This is, I'm afraid, my least favorite story of those found in A Thin Ghost. Oddly, it turns out that it was somethin..."
So I didn't miss anything? He left a whole lot unanswered or addressed in this one.

Like "An Episode of Cathedral History", I read "Two Doctors" not that long ago (last year I think), so I only gave it a quick skimming this morning rather than read it through carefully. As noted in an earlier comment, this story enjoys the dubious distinction of being voted as the worst of James' tales by his fans in a Ghost & Scholars poll (see here).
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2.0* (of 5)
To sort of sum up my reaction to this collection, I think the authors' critics are justified in characterizing the contents as "lesser James", but upon re-reading, the only two that I would really give a thumbs down to were the final two — "Two Doctors" and "The Story of a Disappearance and an Appearance". The first three were actually better than I had recalled, especially "An Episode of Cathedral History". While not ranking with some of the best in the first two collections, they were nevertheless pretty decent stories.

This particular story is not one that I remembered all that well prior to re-reading last evening. It proved to be a bit of a disappointment. (view spoiler)
2.5* (of 5)

My first thought was how similar to (view spoiler) that this story was. Then the author adequately addressed that idea in the afterword.
I liked the story. I thought it was pretty straightforward.
And, as Canavan mentioned might be the case in his review, I prefer this one over the other.

I liked this one up until the end. Like Canavan stated (view spoiler) .
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Five short stories in "A Thin Ghost and Others":
"The Residence at Whitminster"
"The Diary of Mr Poynter"
"An Episode of Cathedral History"
"The Story of a Disappearance and an Appearance"
"Two Doctors"
And six more in "A Warning to the Curious":
"The Haunted Dolls' House"
"The Uncommon Prayer-Book"
"A Neighbour's Landmark"
"A View from a Hill"
"A Warning to the Curious"
"An Evening's Entertainment"
I have been excited about how this is going but I don't want to fatigue the rest of you guys. If you want to take a break from James, maybe we could hit Le Fanu or something and come back to James. I am more of the mind to finish these and then move on. But, that's just my OCD.