Harry Potter discussion

Okay, starting with the book. I was okay with the way it ended but the epilogue wasn't very informative, I was also devastated that I had to say good bye to the friends I had formed over the past 7 books. As for the movie I was extremely disappointed... Mainly just for 2 reasons 1) Harry BROKE the Elder Wand... Who in the world would break the Elder Wand? He should have put it back in Dumbledore's casket because it to me it was like a respect thing. 2)He never uses the Elder Wand to repair his own wand even though in the books it states that is the only wand he really wants to use because he had a true connection with it.

yeah I didnt like the ending in the movie but in the book.They should never make any changes while making into a film.

I enjoyed it.

I loved it and I immediately fell in love with Albus Severus <3 :)

The movie had a dreadful ending

Yeah that I agree with.

The first time I read the ending to the book, I was disappointed. I felt like it was wrapped up without many details. I would have preferred to find out what careers Harry and his friends had chosen. Likewise, it would have been nice to know if they still played sports. I think the most disappointment came from the ending of the series. I grew to love the characters and could not wait for the next story in the chapters of their lives. Now, after many reads, I've come to peace with the ending. The author leaves it up to the imagination of her fans to question what happened next.

Laura - if you're interested, you can find out what JKR has said about the characters' later lives in post-DH interviews (http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-p..., http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/200...). She hasn't said everything, but she has revealed Harry, Ron, and Hermione's careers.

Thanks for that Pandy. It's good to have some questions answered.

Yes, thank you Pandy. That was fun to read.

Yea thanks a bunch for that interview! Now that I got that, I would have to say I loved the ending. Like she said, it didn't squeeze too much information, it was like a glimpse into Harry and the gang's now ordinary life, which was pretty good

Thanks pandy really interesting

EWE? Well, OK, it did one thing right: It showed that Harry was a good father for his children, cheering a nervous Albus up. Just compare that to Ron still acting immature, threatening to disinherit his children. I find it hard to believe that Hermione could have handled his behaviour for 19 years.

But honestly... that final fight with Voldemort. What a joke! So all of a sudden the Elder Wand belongs to Harry? Alright, let me get this straight step by step...
A wand can change allegiance. Yes, I can get that. In Book 1 already we were told that the wand chooses the wizard, not the other way round.
So, after winning a duel, the wand shifts its allegiance to the wizard it thinks is more worthy. I can understand it so far...
But, can a wand change allegiance if it's not involved in a duel? Draco (who indeed was the owner of the Elder Wand after Dumbledore let Draco disarm him) did not use the Elder Wand against Harry! Let's pretend someone who defeated 100 wizards in duels get defeated himself by another wizard. Does that suddenly make the winning wizard the owner of 101 wands? That doesn't make one bit of sense.

Yeah, I've always been happy with the ending. It wrapped everything up nicely. Yeah, it would've been amazing to find out more about the characters lives after Hogwarts, but it's left to the imagination. Plus, JKR did say what their careers are.

I really do admire how JKR wrapped up the ending in the book, I think it was very strong and well done. I don't mind the epilogue either; however, I kind of wish JKR didn't write one and left it up to the reader to decide who ended up with who, etc. even though it is kind of obvious for some of the characters. I do like how she later tells us about the professions some of the characters have, though, I find it intriguing and delightful. But I also am always wondering how the characters coped right after the war, because in the book, we cut from Dumbledore's office scene (I don't have the book on me right now, so forgive me if this is incorrect) right to "19 Years Later" and all was supposedly well. Like, lots of the characters went through absolute turmoil during the war. Did some of them end up with PTSD? Did some keep it on the down low before marrying and try to cope with the after affects of the war by themselves, or sought refuge in others? This is the stuff I am wondering about. I personally believe this should be addressed, but if not, I think it's fine to be left up to the reader anyhow.

Talking about the movie, I would like to address the issue of Voldemort's movie death. In the book he drops dead just like anyone else would, which shows that he is not more than any other human being, although he is not really human himself. But in the movie he vanishes in a cloud of I don't even know what to call it; like he's something entirely different (a god maybe? I can't think of the right word) and it kind of made me a little mad. I still think about this all the time.

I agree with you.

I think it was a great ending because maybe it's just me but I love finding out all these random details about the characters and their life. Yeah i'm sure everyone expected something more but thats kind of what pottermore is for? Jk did say she was going to continue giving us more information.

Loved the ending so much!! ❤️❤️

Anthony wrote: "EWE? Well, OK, it did one thing right: It showed that Harry was a good father for his children, cheering a nervous Albus up. Just compare that to Ron still acting immature, threatening to disinheri..."

the Elder Wand can change allegiance to the person who defeats its previous master. It does not have to be in a duel, as we learn with the first owner who was killed in his sleep.

At Malfoy Manor, Harry wrestled multiple wands out of Malfoy's hands, which makes him owner of the Elder wand simply by defeating its previous master.

JK said: “To truly own the Elder Wand, which means to receive the full benefits, double-edged though it is, of all its power, you have to have conquered the previous owner,” explained Rowling. http://www.today.com/popculture/confu...

You DO NOT have to win the wand, and the wand does not even have to be near you or its master. You win its allegiance as long as you defeat its master.

As for your second point I will defer to Harry Potter Wikia: " it should be noted that wands develop an affinity to their owners that they will not give up easily. For example, wands will not be won in practice duels as the perceived levity of the situation will prevent the wand from abandoning its defeated master. Even when won, wands will often still retain some fealty to the original owner. The only exception to this is the Elder Wand, which is "completely unsentimental" and will only be loyal to strength. In other words, when won, it switches its allegiance entirely.[2]

It should be noted that all wands owned by a defeated wizard will revert to the victor, even if they were not used or even on their person during combat, such as when Harry Potter simultaneously became the master of both Draco Malfoy's wand and the Elder Wand when he defeated Draco (who was the master of both yet possessed only one of them at the time)." http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Sub...

Meghan wrote: It should be noted that all wands owned by a defeated wizard will revert to the victor, even if they were not used or even on their person during combat, such as when Harry Potter simultaneously became the master of both Draco Malfoy's wand and the Elder Wand when he defeated Draco (who was the master of both yet possessed only one of them at the time)."

It should also be noted that the Harry Potter Wikia does not cite its source for this statement. So, when did JKR say this is true?

Laura wrote: "The first time I read the ending to the book, I was disappointed. I felt like it was wrapped up without many details. I would have preferred to find out what careers Harry and his friends had chose..."

thanks for the link!!!!!!!!! very great

Anthony wrote: "Meghan wrote: It should be noted that all wands owned by a defeated wizard will revert to the victor, even if they were not used or even on their person during combat, such as when Harry Potter sim..."

Very true, Anthony. But is The books it is stated that Draco's wand works a lot better for him than the one Ron got from the snatchers, so it would seem that Draco's wand is at least better for him if not totally won over. And we know that The Elder Wand changed allegiance to Harry, so while that doesn't unequivocally prove that statement it at least hints towards it being true. Also, when Ron got away from the snatchers, it seemed as though the wands he got switched allegiance. Again, not definite proof though.

And the other statements made that i took from HP Wikia, here is some other information supporting that.


As for the practice dueling, it seems that in book 2 no ones wands switch allegiance when they participate in the dueling club, though that is not explicitly stated so I'm just going on guesswork for that one. And also, if wands switched allegiance everytime someone was disarmed (for practice or joking around), no ones wands would work for them properly!


And as for the second part, I again can't find any exact information, but here are some quotes (from the books or pottermore this time) that hint towards wands not always changing allegiance when won:

“Hawthorn and unicorn hair. Ten inches precisely. Reasonably springy. This was the wand of Draco Malfoy.”
“Was?” repeated Harry. “Isn’t it still his?”
“Perhaps not. If you took it—”
“—I did—”
“—then it may be yours. Of course, the manner of taking matters.”
“I took this wand from Draco Malfoy by force,” said Harry. “Can I use it safely?”
“I think so. Subtle laws govern wand ownership, but the conquered wand will usually bend its will to its new master” (DH 334–335).

"Wands with unicorn cores are generally the most difficult to turn to the Dark Arts. They are the most faithful of all wands, and usually remain strongly attached to their first owner, irrespective of whether he or she was an accomplished witch or wizard." -Pottermore, wand cores

Dragon heartstring"While they can change allegiance if won from their original master, they always bond strongly with the current owner." Pottermore, wand cores

"Phoenix feather wands are always the pickiest when it comes to potential owners, for the creature from which they are taken is one of the most independent and detached in the world. These wands are the hardest to tame and to personalise, and their allegiance is usually hard won." -Pottermore, wand cores

So it seems that while the general rule is that any wand changes allegiance when it is won, that isn't always the case.

AHA! Interview with JK:

JKR: I am going to put up another update on my website about this, and I have one half-written. Essentially, I see wands as being quasi-sentient, you know? I think they awaken to a kind of-- They're not exactly animate but they're close to it. As close to it as you can get in an object because they carry so much magic. So that's really the key point about a wand. Now, the reactions will vary from wand to wand. The Elder Wand is simply the most dispassionate and ruthless of wands in that it will only take into consideration strength. So one would expect a certain amount of loyalty from one's wand. So even if you were disarmed while carrying it, even if you lost a fight while carrying it, it has developed an affinity with you that it will not give up easily. If, however, a wand is won, properly won in an adult duel, then a wand may switch allegiance, and it will certainly work better even if it hasn't fully switched allegiance for the person who won it. So that of course is what happens when Harry takes Draco's wand from him, and that's what happens when-- But you know what I mean. Oh, yeah, Ron. The blackthorn wand from the snatcher. So that would be sort of rough and ready, common, or garden, a wand favoring the person who had the skill to take it. It would favor them. However, the Elder Wand knows no loyalty except to strength. So it's completely unsentimental. It will only go where the power is. So if you win, then you've won the wand. So you don't need to kill with it. But, as is pointed out in the books, not least by Dumbledore because it is a wand of such immense power, almost inevitably, it attracts wizards who are prepared to kill and who will kill. And also it attracts wizards like Voldemort who confuse being prepared to murder with strength.

JN: Interesting.

JKR: Does that clarify anything?

JN: It did quite, and we look forward to reading your thing or two, I hopefully didn't...

MA: Step on it too badly.

JKR: No, I don't think so. I have been asked a lot of times, well what about Duelling Club and so on? Well I think it's clear there that in practice, where there's no real weight attached to the transference of a wand, where it's almost all for fun or purely for competition, there's no enormous significance attached in either wizard's mind to a wand flying out of someone's hand. But there are situations in which the emotional state of wizards where a lot hangs on a duel, that's something different. That's about real power and that's about transference that will have far-reaching effects in some cases. So I think the wand would behave differently then.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2...

I think that's just a boy thing..... or maybe Ron was in shock.

I was rather indifferent. I liked that everyone lived happily ever after, but I do wish they would have gone a little more into the Draco/Potter relationship, if any. I found myself more curious about Draco's outcome than anyone else's.

I liked the book ending but not so much the epilogue. I wasnt a fan of the relationships that ended up happening