Paranormal Romance & Urban Fantasy discussion

just curious how people are feeling about the new direction of the series with the focus being on dani rather then mackayla, i've read some reviews where some people didn't quite enjoy the change, but i find dani to be a really enjoyable main character, with some hidden depth that i didn't expect.

I personally really liked it; which was a surprise because adolescent characters normally are a no-go for me. KMM kept the series adult which I appreciated. I think it will be interesting to watch her grow into her own.

Since it was made fairly plain (at least I thought it was) that these were 2 different series with some cross-over of characters, I don't have a problem with it. I just look at it like any other series where there is a spin-off or different characters featured.

I must say I have avoided it like the plague, because I actually found dani annoying. But after reading some reviews I may have to re-assess. As you say it is a different series and I should look at it like that. Plus I done want to miss out on any of the series. I would be more keen if I could buy it from Kobo, but it not yet available, so that is also holding me back.

I honestly haven't tried this one yet because I am not sure how I will feel about it. To be honest, the series had to slowly win me over. I really wasn't into until the last two books to begin with and then I loved them so trying this just makes me nervous!

I have seen tons of mixed reviews for it as well. I am sure I will eventually get to it.

I enjoyed it, but found it 'pervy'. I never really disliked Dani... but I really have issues with her age and the themes. But, I love the fever series, and world, enough to just get a few random chills and keep reading.

I didn't realize it had a perv feel to it. yuck. Isn't she only like 14? Way too young for that kind of thing in my opinion, especially since all the men around her are way older. :(

Mlpmom (Book Reviewer) wrote: "I didn't realize it had a perv feel to it. yuck. Isn't she only like 14? Way too young for that kind of thing in my opinion, especially since all the men around her are way older. :("

There is a line it doesn't cross... yet. But it's a very, very, very fine line. Almost 'fuzzy' if you will

Alana ~ The Book Pimp wrote: "Mlpmom (Book Reviewer) wrote: "I didn't realize it had a perv feel to it. yuck. Isn't she only like 14? Way too young for that kind of thing in my opinion, especially since all the men around her a..."

agreed, it walks the line but doesn't actually cross it, she has said that in the next book dani might be older, maybe around 17,so that helps

I loved the fever series and also had reservations about Dani's story, but it is definitely worth reading. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
I heard the next 2 books would be from Mac's perspective again.... Not sure if this is true. I would prefer that, even though Dani grew on me.
About the pervy-ness: there will definitely need to be some rapid aging on Dani's part in the next book to stay on this side of the line. There are way too many men with eyes on her...

Alana ~ The Book Pimp wrote: "Mlpmom (Book Reviewer) wrote: "I didn't realize it had a perv feel to it. yuck. Isn't she only like 14? Way too young for that kind of thing in my opinion, especially since all the men around her a..." Glad it wasn't crossed but still, ick!

Mlpmom (Book Reviewer) wrote: "I didn't realize it had a perv feel to it. yuck. Isn't she only like 14? Way too young for that kind of thing in my opinion, especially since all the men around her are way older. :("

This is one of those issues that fans of the series are bitterly split. Some saw it as pervy, but I saw the way some of them men reacted to her (not acted upon) as kind of realistic for immortal beings who grew up in a time when she would be marriageable age. It was drilled over and over that she would be worth waiting for. We aren't even sure at this point if these are just observations are future plot lines. You kind of have to read it for yourself to know where you will fall. I think it's a trigger thing honestly.

I love love the direction KMM is going with the Fever series. And reading from Dani's point of view is much more entertaining than Mac's.

I loved the book. There was a fine line with Dani's age, but I think km handled it well.
I want to hear more of Christian. I hope he gets a happy ending.

I'll have to say I loved Iced. I actually like it better than the other books, because I like Dani's character better than Mac. The attraction that Christian and Rhys obviously have for Dani is realistic. Sorry, but it is. I remember being hit on by older men at 14 and I don't mean people still in their teens. (Dancer is just three years older than her so I don't consider it pervy at all for him to like her) I also remember that when I told said men my age they back peddled, but still were a little flirty with me. Some even asked me out when I got older.

That's how I view the Rhyodan/Dani thing. He recognizes her as a budding woman, but does not act on it. Instead bides his time and has a relationship with another. I'm not even clear if he really is attracted to her or just sees potential in her. The only time he is referenced in "wanting/lusting" after her is when he's messing with Christian. Every other time you could take the point of view that he feels protective of what he feels will one day be a beautiful, powerful woman, that will be worth something to him.

Christian is creepy, but as he is transforming into the uber-creepy death-by-sex Unseelie Prince I can understand why that "line" is particularly fuzzy to him. It's a character flaw. Albeit disturbing, but it makes him stand out from the others and seems to be a way for us to understand his internal struggle. He is fighting against something that he would never do or possibly seriously think about if he wasn't turning into some sort of monster.

This dynamic isn't all that unfamiliar as well. Practically every Disney movie before the 90's the heroine is 16, and gets married to an older man. In Star Wars Padame is 14 runs a country and flirts with a little boy whom in the next episode is 14-16 and she marries him. Romeo and Juliet she's 13 and Romeo is twenty. A lot of young adult books have characters around her age falling in love or being loved. If their Paranormal ones then the guy is just about as old as Ryodan.

Not to mention this is a post-apoplectic world where morality and honor is eschewed. It's okay to write that her running about town getting herself into dangerous situations, killing and maiming (at one point humans) being constantly banged up and forced to grow up in a take no prisoners way. But no don't you dare say how an older man who doesn't act on his supposed feelings, might like to bang her when she's not jail bait. That's crossing a line.

Sorry, but even though its about fairies it's not a fairy-tale. I like that its gritty and uncomfortable. It makes me question morality and social constraints and what would happen to those things if they were challenged. It makes me wonder and that's why I liked this book. I can understand why it would make some uncomfortable and dismiss the series, but it also makes me wonder why they liked any part of the fever series if this scares them off. Barron's is an admitted rapist, murderer, thief and sociopath. He cracks Mac's ribs the first day they meet. It made me squirm a little about myself when I found myself liking him, yet I haven't heard any outrage about some of his less than charming attributes.

Katt wrote: "Sorry, but even though its about fairies it's not a fairy-tale. I like that its gritty and uncomfortable."

Damn Katt, you hit on a lot of unbelievably awesome points. In a strange way this is a fairytale because the original ones were kind of messed up. They have been sanitized over time. I especially like your take on Christian because it's exactly how I see him. This book is uncomfortable, but telling that people have no problem with the violence but balk at the hint of sex. Our puritanical roots are peeking out. It reminds me of debates I have with friends about buying Call of Duty for their pre-teens but complain about how raunchy PG-13 movie is.

Maybe I'm being misunderstood, but I still LIKED Iced. It DIDN'T scare me off, I just was listing things that left me a little off-kilter, and that could be a deal-breaker for some.

You come up with some great points, Katt, but at the same time, I don't want to be pigeon-holed as a 'false fan' or talking out of both sides of my mouth because I do like both Fever and Iced, but was still left a bit uncomfortable by the 'pervyness'.

Alana ~ The Book Pimp wrote: "Maybe I'm being misunderstood, but I still LIKED Iced. It DIDN'T scare me off, I just was listing things that left me a little off-kilter, and that could be a deal-breaker for some.

You come up w..."

Alana, I wasn't trying to insinuate that your a false fan. I was just trying to offer some of my thoughts and opinions and raise a few questions. I guess I wasn't clear either, but it makes me a little uncomfortable as well. I was just trying to point out that its that ambiguity that I like about this series. Some of my points are more for the reviews I've read about how this book is so far beyond the pale when it's not. I ranted a little. Sorry.

Katt wrote: "Alana, I wasn't trying to insinuate that your a false fan. I was just trying to offer some of my thoughts and opinions and raise a few questions. I guess I wasn't clear either, but it makes me a little uncomfortable as well. I was just trying to point out that its that ambiguity that I like about this series. Some of my points are more for the reviews I've read about how this book is so far beyond the pale when it's not. I ranted a little. Sorry. "

Now that I understand where it's coming from (the reviews) - I totally get it. Think your thoughts are a GREAT rebuttal to anyone that says that it crosses the line. It skirts it, but it doesn't cross it- and your ideas on WHY are dead-on. Ignore my overly sensitive nature- it's always difficult to 'see' tone from print, but I totally get you now. And I agree

Wow Katt, that's a very interesting point of view. I must admit I had no real intention of reading ICED, as I wasn't particularly fond of Dani, as I've said. But you have made me see it very differently. To see it in a way where I should stop objecting to Dani, and read the book with more objectivity. Sometimes you get so caught up in the characters you like, that you don't leave room for others. I do anyway, lol. So thanks for that. :)

I really enjoy the new direction KMM is taking with her series. Dani and Ryodan are great together. Near the end of the book Dani starts to become more complicated and you learn more about her story which is really cool. It's almost like she has dual personalities, hopefully that'll be more explored in the next book. It's nice to take a break from Mac and Barrons because it was becoming a lil too over the top for me. The exploration of the nine is always a plus as well!