The Mark of Athena discussion

Can you guys please explain why everybody seems to hate Piper? I don't get it. And it'd be nice if you could give proof STRAIGHT FROM THE BOOK. I honestly haven't noticed this "whiny, weak character" that everyone hates and complains about.

Good luck with that. I find haters don't know how to be specific, they just hate because they can. Or perhaps they feel like they're being rebellious or something. Who knows. Bottom line: it says more about the hater than the hated.

Seriously, this topic not worth too much thought. And by asking, you're just gonna get them fired up again.

YES!! ANOTHER PIPER FAVOR TOPIC!!!!!!!
Honestly, I'm soooo tired of listening to haters of piper or the roman demigods like frank, hazel and jason. Seriously, these guys are not giving the new characters 'a single chance' just because Percy And Annabeth Rocks no matter what! Ok, I know they DO rock, but the other demigods rocks too, Including Piper Mclean!! In Leo's words she's THE beauty queen!
She is pretty smart as well as cute (one of the examples- First demigod to know that Gaea is the villian in TLH..and i don't need examples to depict that she's cute :D).
She's brave (ex.- Fighting monsters LIKE A BOSS when the right time comes fr her)
She's selfless (ex.- MoA cournucopia psycho nymphs whole scene)
She knows how to control her emotions well (ex.- Bull God fighting scene, and many other scenes where she bears a mental mask to hide her emotions)
And most of all, She's pretty darn Powerful!! Her power is really well developed.
And i don't wanna compare her to any other demigod, because that would be just wrong. Every demigod is powerful and developed in his own way..one cannot just simply compare the physical strength with the power of charmspeak right?

yea, like julia said, good luck with that. i've been looking, and i can't find anything.

Sorry guys, but I don't like piper(hates to strong) cause she's the perfect person/character I mean I guess I love her but why does she have to be so nice and beautiful and kind and and and. She's so perfect it makes me wanna cry cause I'm not. But I guess that's why everyone loves her.

Rabia wrote: "Sorry guys, but I don't like piper(hates to strong) cause she's the perfect person/character I mean I guess I love her but why does she have to be so nice and beautiful and kind and and and. She's ..."

Like I said. Say's more about the hater than the hated (or perhaps I should say the "not-liker" and the "not-liked"?)

Rabia, I appreciate your blatant honesty. That's a powerful trait. And I'm sure you have other strengths as well. It will take time and discipline (and a lot of mistakes) to discover what those are. Don't beat yourself up for not being Piper. You won't have time if you focus on just being Rabia.

I don't love Piper because "she's so perfect". She has flaws too (just ask the Piper-haters, they can list every single one). I actually think she's a little insecure, too.

I love her because she's a good person. Her powers are unique, so she's on her own to figure out how to use them effectively, and she's doing a good job.

I'm guessing I'm a bit older than you. I've learned to take the good with the bad, and appreciate the good. The more I do this for others, it's become easier to do this for myself. I suggest you try it.

Thank you that make me feel a lot better :)

Yeah, part of the problem is that the other demigods have essentially superpowers (bar Annabeth, who has her superbrain), while Piper is stuck with her charmspeak. However, in HoH we realize why it was ineffective, and she gets sword-fighting lessons from Hazel!

She isn't that selfless. In MoA she said that if someone has to die it better not be Jason. That is very selfish and it is also very rude. That's saying that anyone but Jason can die.

But as soon as she thought of that she felt guilty too. It proves that she isn't selfish

Charmspeak works on men better than women. Because her beauty and persuasion would convince the guy to do what she wanted. But if Piper tries to use her beauty on a female they would think she is a lesbian. Plus most women can counter charmspeak with magic or some thing.

Piper really does not contribute much to the story. Exctept, She is almost like the mom that makes sure that the other boys don't kill themselves.

Ananth wrote: "She isn't that selfless. In MoA she said that if someone has to die it better not be Jason. That is very selfish and it is also very rude. That's saying that anyone but Jason can die."

That's no more selfish than anybody else. You think Percy wouldn't choose to save Annabeth over anybody else? That's actually his fatal flaw. Athena told him long ago that he'll choose his friends over the world.

Charlie wrote: "Piper really does not contribute much to the story. Exctept, She is almost like the mom that makes sure that the other boys don't kill themselves."

And you don't think that's a good contribution? She balances out the team. You can't have 7 half-bloods who are all geared up and ready to fight. They'll all kill each other. You need more skills to make a proper team. Piper brings great emotional stability and empathy to the team.

Point taken. She does not contribute to the action, though. But, now that you say that, I guess she now does have more significance than I thought. =]

Julia wrote: "Ananth wrote: "She isn't that selfless. In MoA she said that if someone has to die it better not be Jason. That is very selfish and it is also very rude. That's saying that anyone but Jason can die..."

That's true but if some body else died he would still be mad about it. Unlike Piper who couldn't care less about the others.

Ananth wrote: "Julia wrote: "Unlike Piper who couldn't care less about the others. "

You don't know that, you're assuming. At the time she thought that, she had never been responsible for somebody else's safety, which means she's never been tested so we don't know how she'd respond if one of the others died.

And, she's grown closer to the others. I believe she thought that early in the adventure (Shortly after the whole team assembled aboard Argo II for the first time? I don't trust my memory on this, but it sounds right.)

Besides, I don't know anybody that wouldn't protect their own loves first (their children, spouse, significant other, siblings, best friends, parents, etc.) That's human nature (and the nature of most mammals for that matter). Think about yourself. If your mom and your neighbor were both in danger and you could only rescue 1 of them, who's it gonna be?

I did see a horrible episode of a certain science fiction show in which a guy had to sacrifice his grandson to save the world... it destroyed him (and the show).

Sacrifice huh?, I wonder how much of that Piper has made!

She had almost let her dad be killed to save her friends, if Thaila hadn't met Jason and the Hunters wouldn't have helped. In MoA she knew how to dilute the nympheaum water, but she also knew she'd have to self-sacrifice for it. And she was willing to sacrifice herself for that, if only for revitalizing those psycho nymphs.

Its her luck that she hasn't given any sacrifices yet. But whenever it would be required she will definitely go for it.

Ananth wrote: "Charmspeak works on men better than women. Because her beauty and persuasion would convince the guy to do what she wanted. But if Piper tries to use her beauty on a female they would think she is a..."

In HoH the way Piper defeated the Empousai totally clears up how charmspeak can be used on women too.

Ananth wrote: "Sacrifice huh?, I wonder how much of that Piper has made!"

Probably not much, seeing as she's, what, 16? She hasn't had to. She's only been among Half-Bloods for a few months. Before that, she lived mostly like a normal teenager.

How much have you sacrificed, to be holding that against somebody else?

Neha (Athena) (Queen Elinor) wrote: "Its her luck that she hasn't given any sacrifices yet. But whenever it would be required she will definitely go for it."

Exactly.

Neha (Athena) (Queen Elinor) wrote: "She had almost let her dad be killed to save her friends, if Thaila hadn't met Jason and the Hunters wouldn't have helped. In MoA she knew how to dilute the nympheaum water, but she also knew she'd..."

Thank you for describing that part in the nympheaum. I kept thinking that it was Piper that got them out of there, but I couldn't remember the details.

I don't like piper much. I find her to rather self obsessed. Her povs mostly are about her relationship with Jason which she is very insecure about. But at the same time she rises to the occasion when she is needed. She tries her best to be useful,which is nice. But I still think she's my least favourite of the seven as I don't see her develop at all. In fact her pov is the one I enjoy the least,

Rachel wrote: "I don't like piper much. I find her to rather self obsessed. Her povs mostly are about her relationship with Jason which she is very insecure about. But at the same time she rises to the occasion w..."

I think "least favorite" is fair (somebody has to come last). The annoying fans are the ones that seem like they are only able to Love a character or Hate a character and leave no room in between.

Julia wrote: "Ananth wrote: "Sacrifice huh?, I wonder how much of that Piper has made!"

Probably not much, seeing as she's, what, 16? She hasn't had to. She's only been among Half-Bloods for a few months. Be..."

If I was a demigod I probably would have sacrificed a lot, but unfortunately for me I get to be a nobody in this world.

deleted user wrote: "Sorry guys, but I don't like piper(hates to strong) cause she's the perfect person/character I mean I guess I love her but why does she have to be so nice and beautiful and kind and and and. She's ..."

IDK, I don't find her perfect. I think she has multiple flaws, such as judging people too quickly, being too insecure, and thinking she's better than other girls because she doesn't like 'typical girly' things. A lot of these change along the way though, and help her character to grow a lot and really mature throughout the books.

Kat wrote: "deleted user wrote: "Sorry guys, but I don't like piper(hates to strong) cause she's the perfect person/character I mean I guess I love her but why does she have to be so nice and beautiful and kin..."

Uhh...can you remind me of ONE time she thought she's better than other girls please?

I just don't like her. It really bugged me how she was making fun of all the Aphrodite campers for obsessing over guys/girls and she herself obsesses over Jason after knowing him for a few hours. Obsessed. Jason is all she thinks about! That's just her character though. And yes, I will admit, Annabeth does obsess over Percy sometimes, but it's not as bad as Piper. I don't down-right hate her, but she's definitely my least favorite of the 7...okay, her and Jason are tied for last. Also, I have not read Blood of Olympus yet, so maybe she's more likeable in it.

Just to be clear, that's why I don't like her. I'm completely fine with other people liking her, we're all entitled to our own opinion. She does have several redeeming qualities, such as charmspeak and loyalty. So, I'm not trying to attack anyone; I'm just stating the main reason why I dislike her.

Sorry guys i don't like piper that much either. Its not the charmspeak or that she is too perfect(which i don't think she is)and yes,i like that she is funny but something is just not right-sure i probably can't find a direct reference from the book-its just instinct.But then i feel about hazel that way too.
Hey, don't i am all for annabeth only-i like thalia and bianca too although it is difficult 'cuz she left nico on his own.
Still i don't hate piper- i do like her....sometimes.

Nice sketch by the way.

Wait, because Bianca "left Nico on his own"? SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF! How is that leaving Nico on his own? She died!

Honestly, there is literally no reason left why people hate Piper. Right from the first book to the last, she showed some amazing qualities. Even if she did mistakes she corrected them (unless you blame her for calling Percy 'unimpressive.' Like EXCUSE ME Nico called Percy 'not his type' so calm your pants!). She had awesome character development, it's just not as obvious as that as Frank. She's a lovable person and she loves everybody. Let's all hug now! <3

Neha wrote: "Honestly, there is literally no reason left why people hate Piper. Right from the first book to the last, she showed some amazing qualities. Even if she did mistakes she corrected them (unless you ..."

I completely agree with the whole "calling Percy unimpressive". That's no reason to dislike a character. She made one comment and people call that hating on Percy.

PIPER'S MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!!!!!!!

✞♣♫~Қεllყ~♫♣✞ wrote: "Wait, because Bianca "left Nico on his own"? SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF! How is that leaving Nico on his own? She died!"
Hello?I meant she joined the hunters.
And I accept Piper did have a good character development.Still i don't love her.

I really have nothing against any of the characters. Piper's pretty cool.

Taylor wrote: "I really have nothing against any of the characters. Piper's pretty cool."

I like all the characters too. I mean, a lot of people don't like Jason, but he's the best, (besides Percy, Piper, and Annabeth, and Leo)

Ice wrote: "✞♣♫~Қεllყ~♫♣✞ wrote: "Wait, because Bianca "left Nico on his own"? SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF! How is that leaving Nico on his own? She died!"
Hello?I meant she joined the hunters.
And I accept Piper d..."

Oh...okay that makes more sense about Bianca. I completely interpreted it wrong, sorry. I don't really like Piper.

Hungergames19 wrote: "Taylor wrote: "I really have nothing against any of the characters. Piper's pretty cool."

I like all the characters too. I mean, a lot of people don't like Jason, but he's the best, (besides Percy..."

Um, that puts him in the bottom half of the Seven…

It's just bad writing. Not Piper's fault really, just one of the Hero of Olympus' flaws.