Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban discussion

IF SNAPE INVENTED THE SPELL'LEVICORPUS'IN HIS SIXTH YEAR[AS THE SPELL WAS WRITTEN AFTER MANY CROSSING OUTS IN THE SIXTH YEAR POTIONS BOOK],HOW DID JAMES USE IT IN HIS FIFTH YEAR AFTER THE O.W.L.S AGAINST SNAPE?

THE PRINCE wrote: "IF SNAPE INVENTED THE SPELL'LEVICORPUS'IN HIS SIXTH YEAR[AS THE SPELL WAS WRITTEN AFTER MANY CROSSING OUTS IN THE SIXTH YEAR POTIONS BOOK],HOW DID JAMES USE IT IN HIS FIFTH YEAR AFTER THE O.W.L.S A..."

Okay, first of all, you don't have to constantly use capitals! lol!

But, I guess you've got me with the mistake. Well spotted. :D

Here's one: (quote from Prisoner of Askaban) 'It would be wonderful to visit Hogsmeade at weekends; he knew it an entirely wizarding village, and he had never set foot there.'

That isn't entirely true; the Hogwarts Express stops at Hogsmeade station when it comes to Hogwarts, and that's Hogsmeade isn't it? :)

THE PRINCE wrote: "IF SNAPE INVENTED THE SPELL'LEVICORPUS'IN HIS SIXTH YEAR[AS THE SPELL WAS WRITTEN AFTER MANY CROSSING OUTS IN THE SIXTH YEAR POTIONS BOOK],HOW DID JAMES USE IT IN HIS FIFTH YEAR AFTER THE O.W.L.S A..."

Well, firstly it's not known if Snape even invented the spell. Since he could have just come across it in his studies (being advanced in Curses he could have been reading advanced material out of boredom.) He could have just encountered it and recorded it later in his sixth year book.
If he did invent it, he could have invented the spell much earlier and was just using Sixth Year Books because of his advanced talent. After all, when a Student shows advanced intellect, it's very common for teachers to give them much more advanced studying material.

Good point Somerandom. I always just assume Snape invented the spell because doesn't he say to Harry: "You dare use my own spells against me, Potter! It was I who invented them, I, the Half-Blood Prince." Something like that . . .

Daisy wrote: "Good point Somerandom. I always just assume Snape invented the spell because doesn't he say to Harry: "You dare use my own spells against me, Potter! It was I who invented them, I, the Half-Blood P..."


But that, was when Harry used the spell Sectumsempra, for enemies. Snape could have invented that one..

actually your right Harry does use both spell against Snape, (Levicorpus and Sectumsempra)
And Snape does say

I quote

"You dare use my own spells against me Potter,It was I who invented them, the Half-Blood Prince, and you'd turn my inventions on me like your filthy father would you. I don't think so."

I'm guessing Snape probably did invent them maybe in Grade 5 and also written in his grade 5 potions book?
or he used it before on James and then James adopted it aswell

Daisy wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Daisy.c wrote: "I'll start. This is a quote from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows:

' "What are we going to do with them?" Ron whispered to Harry through the dark, then, even mor..."

She had already told them though... In the chapter "Ghoul In Pajamas" (or whatever its called)

Daisy wrote: "Good point Somerandom. I always just assume Snape invented the spell because doesn't he say to Harry: "You dare use my own spells against me, Potter! It was I who invented them, I, the Half-Blood P..."

Well like I said, he could have easily invented it before year 6. Just because it's in a year 6 book doesn't mean that it's an accurate timeline of his invented spells.

Yeah, I bet you're right and he just invented it before sixth year and just wrote it in his sixth year potions book. Was Sectumsempra the spell that Harry thought the Prince had had some trouble over because of the crossings out and stuff. Or was that Levicorpus? Because whichever one that was it seems pretty clear that that was invented in his sixth year.

Daisy wrote: "Yeah, I bet you're right and he just invented it before sixth year and just wrote it in his sixth year potions book. Was Sectumsempra the spell that Harry thought the Prince had had some trouble ov..."

I think it was Sectumsempra. Because Snape even tells Harry that James used his curses against him. And since James used Levicorpus in his fifth year, the rules of elimination dictate that it was Sectumsempra. Well that and it was one of his signature spells.
But it's been ages since I've read the books.

Right. :)

Happy as I am with the response for my'levicorpus'post I would like to say a few things:
1.I,The Seventh-wood Prince,as per Daisy's order has stopped using capitals[lol:)]
2.I have rechecked after Somarandum's post and the spell Snape had trouble was indeed'levicorpus'[chapter sivers and opals] and as for the timelogic,it was the very reason why iposted it at the firstplace.sorry if I sound too rude

Good for you THE PRINCE, and no, I don't think you sounded rude :)

I noticed another this morning:

In Chamber of Secrets Harry is in the Hospital Wing after the rogue bludger broke his arm and Dobby comes to visit him in the middle of the night. At one point Harry clenches Dobby's arm (I think it was his arm) but then Dobby disapparates. Then it says something like: "...and Harry's hand was suddenly clenched on mid air..." My query was, Dobby says later on that he can take humans with him when he apparates, so how come Harry didn't come with him when he apparated?

Daisy wrote: "I noticed another this morning:

In Chamber of Secrets Harry is in the Hospital Wing after the rogue bludger broke his arm and Dobby comes to visit him in the middle of the night. At one point Harr..."

Humans can't apparate in hogwarts, right? That's probably why Harry didn't end up going with Dobby.

Daisy wrote: "I noticed another this morning:

In Chamber of Secrets Harry is in the Hospital Wing after the rogue bludger broke his arm and Dobby comes to visit him in the middle of the night. At one point Harr..."

Well where would Dobby take Harry? He was there unbeknownst to his cruel Master and he couldn't exactly take him home. He could have taken him to a safe haven but I think Dobby knew that taking Harry out of Hogwarts would raise the alarm and Dumbledore would have tracked him down.

Ahamed515 wrote: "Daisy wrote: "I noticed another this morning:

In Chamber of Secrets Harry is in the Hospital Wing after the rogue bludger broke his arm and Dobby comes to visit him in the middle of the night. At ..."

Oh, yeah. You're probably right.

Sophie wrote: "This is cool! Heres one (not word for word!)

So in Deathly Hallows Mrs.Weasley forces Charlie into a chair and annouces he's about to get a proper hair-cut! That's all fine and yes charlie needs h..."
During this time Bill was going to get married and I think Mrs. Weasley realized that since Bill is going to get married he can look as he pleases and so she decides to cut Charlie's hair.

Piper wrote: "In the Hogwarts letter it says you can bring an owl, toad and cat but Ron brings a Rat..."

That have always made me wonder lol

I don't like how in the first movie Hagrid's house is on fairly level ground from the castle but in later movies Hagrid's house is on such a steep hill down from the castle.

Michell wrote: "I don't like how in the first movie Hagrid's house is on fairly level ground from the castle but in later movies Hagrid's house is on such a steep hill down from the castle."

Oh, right! I never noticed that :P

Okay, so I know there are many arguments to this, but it is just a thought:

So in the 6th book, Dumbledore talks about how Horcruxes are a part of a soul.

So imagine this:
What if you put a Dementor on a Horcrux? I know that the Dementor probably wouldn't realize that it was a soul, and wouldn't be attracted, but say they were, would the dementor be able to suck the soul from the Horcrux? Would that destroy it, or possess the Dementor? Just a thought....

You're blowing my mind here Julane! I literally have no idea what might happen with a dementor and a horcrux. Any of your theories seem plausible. I think maybe ... They could destroy the horcrux? I'm really not sure. Interesting theory.

Daisy wrote: "You're blowing my mind here Julane! I literally have no idea what might happen with a dementor and a horcrux. Any of your theories seem plausible. I think maybe ... They could destroy the horcrux? ..."

Haha :)

I really don't know, I've been puzzling this for a while. Here's another:

So in the something-th book, Harry is talking to Nearly Headless Nick, ((oh yeah, the 5th, after (view spoiler)[Sirius (hide spoiler)] dies)) and Nick tells him that anyone can become a ghost after death, but few choose to. So I'm just thinking, I feel like Voldemort would be so shallow that he WOULD become a ghost. I understand that ghosts can't technically do much, but it seems like something Voldemort WOULD do. He would try to scare his extreme followers to...well, follow him and do his biddings, but if he couldn't do THAT, he would wait for years to get some poor kid to do the job of killing Harry... just another thought, there are arguments, but....

@ Julane message 230

I'm pretty sure this theory about Voldemort coming back as a ghost may have been addressed before. I can't really remember but I think the conclusion we came to was that Voldemort's soul was so mutilated and damaged that he wouldn't be able to come back as a ghost. Because obviously a ghost is the 'imprint of a departed soul left upon the Earth', and by the time of his death Voldy's soul was pretty much non-existent. Does that make sense? :)

Daisy wrote: "Here's one: (quote from Prisoner of Askaban) 'It would be wonderful to visit Hogsmeade at weekends; he knew it an entirely wizarding village, and he had never set foot there.'

That isn't entirely ..."

But do we consider a train station, airplane, bus stop, etc. as actually going somewhere?
Generally, if someone tells you they went to (insert city here), but never left the train station, you're going to tell them it doesn't count.

Daisy wrote: "@ Julane message 230

I'm pretty sure this theory about Voldemort coming back as a ghost may have been addressed before. I can't really remember but I think the conclusion we came to was that Volde..."

JKR confirmed this. His soul is too broken to become a ghost

Daisy wrote: "You're blowing my mind here Julane! I literally have no idea what might happen with a dementor and a horcrux. Any of your theories seem plausible. I think maybe ... They could destroy the horcrux? ..."

That is an interesting thought.
Harry wasn't able to produce a patronus with the horcrux on, so maybe it would destroy it.
Too bad we didn't find out right then.

Ahamed515 wrote: "Daisy wrote: "Cassandra wrote: "In POA we learn the womping willow was planted for Lupin. In GOF we're told that Molly took a great interest in the tree because it had been planted after her time a..."

I thought this through along the lines of kids.
Lupin and James are the same age
James and Lily had one kid (harry) before dying, they were fairly young then.
Molly and Arthur had already had 5 kids by this point, meaning they'd have to be older than Lupin.

I'd say she wasn't in the order just because she wasn't in the order.

@Rachel Paige #235
@Daisy #233

Thanks, I never heard that interview but that's interesting! :)

Okay everyone so in the fifth book it says they found a locket in a cabinet along with that weird music box BUT

Next year it's gone. (WHAT)

Regulus died more than one year ago and Kreacher didn't move it so WHAT.

>:(

I want to know why only authors like J.K. Rowling and Rick Riordan get money because writing is hard.

But no open heart surgeries are harder right?

Open heart surgeries can be taught. You can't teach anyone a world that hasn't been created yet.

BOOM.

Give us writers some credit.

In the fifth book, when Harry and Arthur get into the cabinet to enter to the Ministery, it says that they almost dont fit. but later in the book, when Luna, Hermione, Ginny, neville, Ron and Harry go to the Ministery and they enter in that box, the fit! So Arthur is like 5 people?

@ Rachel Paige message 236

Ahhh, I never knew that was the reason Harry couldn't do his patronus. Clever you. (lol)

Lu wrote: "In the fifth book, when Harry and Arthur get into the cabinet to enter to the Ministery, it says that they almost dont fit. but later in the book, when Luna, Hermione, Ginny, neville, Ron and Harry..."

So funny! I have wondered how all six of them fitted in one telephone box before, but now you point out about Mr Weasley and Harry, it does seem sort of impossible. I guess the telephone box might have had one of those undetectable extension charms on it? But, wait, that doesn't fit if it said it was a squeeze with just him and Arthur in there. Probably is a mistake. Well spotted. :D

Daisy wrote: "Lu wrote: "In the fifth book, when Harry and Arthur get into the cabinet to enter to the Ministery, it says that they almost dont fit. but later in the book, when Luna, Hermione, Ginny, neville, Ro..."

Maybe Hermione charmed it to fit everyone

Boubakar wrote: "Evojanus wrote: "HP & the Prisoner of Azkaban

Time travel paradox. The one that bothers me the most.

The first time the reader sees Harry go into the forest and is attacked by Dementors, he sees ..."

Yes. All the people who say use a time turner to go back and kill Tom Riddle don't understand time travel. If Tom Riddle had been killed in the past, he'd never have attacked Harry's parents/become so evil therefore there would have been no reason for anyone to go back in time and kill him.

Ahamed515 wrote: "Boubakar wrote: "Evojanus wrote: "HP & the Prisoner of Azkaban

Time travel paradox. The one that bothers me the most.

The first time the reader sees Harry go into the forest and is attacked by De..."

Plus there's a limit on how far back you can travel with a time turner. I don't remeber how long, it's on pottermore

Ahamed515 wrote: "Boubakar wrote: "Evojanus wrote: "HP & the Prisoner of Azkaban

Time travel paradox. The one that bothers me the most.

The first time the reader sees Harry go into the forest and is attacked by De..."

Plus there's a limit on how far back you can travel with a time turner. I don't remeber how long, it's on pottermore

Found one!
In book one, Snape's potion puzzle.
Upon finding which potion will take you forward. It goes like this:

"Got it," she said. "The smallest bottle will getbus through the black fire-towards the Stone."
Harry looked at the tiny bottle.
"There's only enough for one of us," he said. "Thatks hardly one swallow."

If the bottle is so small, it can only hold about one swallow of potion, how did Quirrell get through? He had to complete all the other tasks, but how did he drink the potion and have there be enough left for Harry?

Umm, maybe the bottle refills itself?

Evojanus wrote: "HP & the Prisoner of Azkaban

Time travel paradox. The one that bothers me the most.

The first time the reader sees Harry go into the forest and is attacked by Dementors, he sees what he believes ..."

I've wondered this one too. It was kind of confusing and I think because of this exact reason.

He would've but he was saved by Fawkes' tear.

Daisy wrote: "Umm, maybe the bottle refills itself?"

That's the only good expaination. Either that or Quirrel and Voldemort can walk through fire unharmed.

I think the bottle refills to allow only one person to drink it. It is a magical world after all

Sophie wrote: "This is cool! Heres one (not word for word!)

So in Deathly Hallows Mrs.Weasley forces Charlie into a chair and annouces he's about to get a proper hair-cut! That's all fine and yes charlie needs h..."


Yeah, I caught that too. But I just thought I was confused.

Ria wrote: "You know what I didn't get?

Gryffindors have Potions with Slytherins (Head of House class)
have Charms with Ravenclaws (Head of House class)
have Herbology with Hufflepuffs (Head of House class)
a..."

I'm not really sure what you're asking at the end.

As for the houses thing, the houses they have classes with change over the years. Maybe transfigureation doesn't double classes because it's a hard class and needs more one-on-one time.

Actually there are usually very less.. But there was one grave fault in the first one itself. To save the philosopher's stone, all the measures put up were those that could be easily taken care of by first years! And there they were to deal with Voldemort! Like seriously? Considering Harry has always been an average wizard. Surely there would be far more dangerous plants to be used than the one they'd already studied about in first year.

Astha wrote: "Actually there are usually very less.. But there was one grave fault in the first one itself. To save the philosopher's stone, all the measures put up were those that could be easily taken care of ..."

That's what I thought too! Fluffy? Fine, but the keys seemed too easy, as did the potion puzzle. If I'd done it, I'd have some sort of sleeping/paralasis potion where the one to take you forward should be.

Rachel Paige wrote: "Astha wrote: "Actually there are usually very less.. But there was one grave fault in the first one itself. To save the philosopher's stone, all the measures put up were those that could be easily ..."

true! transfiguration : chess?? what the hell! there could have been so much! something that first years can handle couldn't be more than a chuckle away from Voldemort! :D