Rothfussians discussion

1) Gingers are evil.
2) Pat Rothfuss is utterly charming.
3) Gingers have horns.
4) Pat Rothfuss unequivocally does not have horns.
5) Many humorous people are evil
6) Pat Rothfuss is not Doug Stanhope.
7) People who "put it out there" are sluts.
8) Pat Rothfuss PUTS IT OUT THERE!!! if you know what I mean...
9) I am an asshole.
10) Because Pat Rothfuss doesn't write books as fast as I make widgets he is an asshole too.
11) My widgets are pretty awesome. (11 is my favorite number)

i read fiction ALL THE TIME and have been completely spellbound by the name of the wind and the wise man fears. I love to visit fairylands and meet the fairy queen and george macdonald is gone so Rothfuss is the king of my fantasy reading world

when ever I finish [listening to] KKC I cannot touch another book for at least a week. NOTHING comes close. I've tried Robin Hobb, I've tried that Gentleman's bastard series, i've tried all those assassin books (by Brent weeks, and Douglas Hulick )... Mark Lawrence... they just can't come close to what I'm missing once the second book ends.


Rothfuss you cruel genius

I know the feeling, I usually have to reread another favorite after finishing KKC. Have you tried any of Guy Gavriel Kay? Tigana is fantastic and oftentimes reminds me of Rothfuss style wise.

i've never even heard of it! I'm adding it to my To-Read!

isn't that what this is? LoL

Cult sounds a bit more hardcore than just a book group too, makes me think of burning stakes etc... But I'm guessing you're not hinting we should burn people who reject Rothfuss... Right?

Michael wrote: "Cult sounds a bit more hardcore than just a book group too, makes me think of burning stakes etc... But I'm guessing you're not hinting we should burn people who reject Rothfuss... Right?"

Sure we are! Why not?

no one suspects the Rothfuss Inquisition

I think cult is a dirty word. I prefer the Secret order of the KKC. Sounds a lot better lol

There are two types of people in KKC: Knower and shaper. The ones who don't like the book are Shapers.. We are the knowers. Those shapers would choose whimsical Eucatastrophe heroic/herion romance novels while us Knowers understand the inner turnings of the world and would rather read a coming of age hero bent on revenge who must trick a demon to gain his heart's desire then kill an angel to keep it while the world burns to ash from a eternal war between nature and destiny.

*looks up upon hearing the compliment, un-crumples the piece of paper he'd been reciting and stands to bow to the one, single, kind audience member.

hahahah ;D

Also you all should go check out the new thread of SROST for auri at Tor.com Article is by Jo Walton!

Although shapers are the ones with the greatest power, in the books :P

Wrong. Sorry no offense, but Both knowers and shapers were simply namers. The recurring theme in all Rothfuss magic is Will. You aren't simply stronger bc you can shape two shapers could know a thing down to the marrow of its bone but would only be able to shape something according to the strength of their will. This is why they are called proud dreamers. They think of a world in which only what THEY think is real, literally is REAL for THEM. So Felurian does as Kvothe says,"its as if she couldn't imagine you not doing exactly what she wanted" and with her god like alar("her power lay on her like a pair of unseen wings" - "The last time Aleph touched them there was pain, and wings tore from their backs that they might go where they wished.") So she clearly has an alar like a god and her power lay on her like a white star on her brow. However, Kvothe also has power of Aleph somehow, considering his white star over his brow. This means one thing. Shapers aren't stronger because they are stronger than knower. No. Kvothe has the Power of Andan, and wielding it, his alar is like a bar of ramston steel "the best blade youll ever have, until it breaks" So with the best alar you can ever have until it breaks, Kvothe overpowered Felurians shaping. This is because she shapes her side of the fae with grammarie so it SEEMS as tho all you could ever want and desire is her, MORE THAN LIFE. She even uses Glamourie for her appearance as we can see her eyes went from glamored twilight purple to a ring of solid blue with no Iris when Kvothe attacked her. This means her SHAPING was overcome by Kvothes Will to believe it was all fake. With his will opposing her she simply lay on the ground defenseless.

Yeah thanks! and I went off with some steam, didn't mean it too. Just informational.

Also, you could argue against me and say simply that Kvothe is a Shaper and my point would only strengthen yours; however, I see Shaping and Knowing as two different sides of the spectrum. Knowers being conservative monks who sit in caves or in an OLD forest listening to the true shape of the world and marveling at it. Whereas, Shapers do the latter and seeing the shape of the world grow bored and inspired. They take their knowledge and go out and shape the world to their desire.

With this theory, this would be my argument:

Mind and body have to be strengthened before naming can be done. This is because Will is used to see the true shape of the world and will it to your desire. To do this one must use heart of stone or spinning leaf to aid the mind in accepting things that are not true or too complex for the mind like love or naming or blue... "look blue, bLUe, BLUE!" - "it's like a Ketan for the Mind."(spinning leaf) Also, one must be physically fit to allow the body to draw all focus to the mind and not other things, thus we have the Berentaltha "whats the berentaltha I hear you ask" - "its a sort of dance" "watched tempi preform the ketan. It looked like a dance." and latantha Ketan. So just as ademre strengthen their body to be as Aethe and predict the wind to shoot his arrow true the Fae strengthen their body to keep their shaping uncompareable. while all the while they dream of a world they can control with their alar, strengthening their alar the same way Kvothe did when he had to hold an alar in threat of Ambroses attacks.

So knowers or shapers, no one is powerful that has not strengthened their body and mind to form an alar like a bar of ramston steel. It is after achieving such an alar that the world is left with two types of people, Knowers(nature extremists - destiny believers - Book of the Path/Ademre and Lethani understanding true destiny and knowing they should never stray from it) and Shapers(Free Will believers - Edema Ruh and Fae knowing destiny yet straying from it to shape their own path)Thus, You have Tehlu Vs Encanis. Lanre Vs Selitos. Knowers vs Shapers. Good Vs Evil. Destiny Vs Free Will.

Kvothe's A'lir is exceptional but it is not without exception. Remember Devi is stronger than Kvothe in their fight of wills and there is no indication she has a link to Andan. She has a power source but it is unclear who would have won without that.

Both Namers and Shapers are similar. Shaping is the next step onwards we are led to believe. We know almost nothing about shaping so it's all speculation. But naming certainly seems to be almost the opposite of Sympathy, it's not strength of will but more slipping into the mind of nature and accepting it. Letting your own will go. Maybe shaping is a combination of this, uniting self with nature and then using your will to change it.

AAhh, but you forget Kvothes ability to learn exceptionally fast. "Devi is one of the few people I suspect to be a better sympathist than me." "I beat you like a red headed step child!" "right, that was a week ago. I've learned a lot since then." So we know that Kvothe could very well be stronger now, and only after a week.

As to shaping and sympathy. Sympathy is money changing energy laws that in order to do one has to think or grasp things that aren't easy for the mind to understand. Sympathy was not known during the old ages. Archanists at the university discovered it and taught it their. Shaping however, was also not known during the old times, until IAX came along. Before Aethe and the Adem knowing lethani it was not uncommon for one man to strike another down to prove skill. So we have a time that was before Iax stole the moon that had, no sympathy, no shaping/mastery, and no Lethani..There was only Knowers who knew the names of all things like Selitos, Lyra, Haliax, Iax, and Aleph. Then there were those who sought for mastery. Aethe sought for mastery over the name of the wind "the wind was the traditional path sought. Once they found the wind all other names came easy." So it's obvious that Aethe is Iax - "the first shaper" since aethe was the first who sought mastery and Felurian calls Iax the first shaper they must be the same. However, Lanre killed his wife as told by Skarpi..And so did aethe. So if Iax and Aethe were both the first shaper, and Lanre and Aethe both killed their loved ones then we can conlude that the Aethe story is the accurate one between the both considering the rules of passing it down through generations it would not be changed. And so Iax is Haliax is Lanre is Aethe.

Thus, knowers would be those namers who knew the names of all things and "CALLED" upon those things for help like wind or fire. However, Shapers sought master like Auri in SROST when she made the candle. "she knew the secret to being small. she did not think master mandrag knew." then she SHAPES a candle using Alchemy, however, alchemy requires naming and she did not call out any names, meaning she is a shaper.. "all the stuff she knew before were just calls, plee, askings. No she knew better. she knew the secret to being small...." So instead of calling a name that she already has mastery over she simply uses that mastery to SHAPE whatever she desires.

Simply put. Knowers know the possibitlies of what they CAN do but are contempt with simply knowing. Shapers succumb to their desires and see a thing and bend all their knowing upon it in hopes to change it.