Obsessed with True Crime discussion

You may have had this topic before but here it goes anyway....

1. Why did Bundy wear turleneck sweaters a lot?

2. On the walk to the death chamber what did Bundy do that was unusual? (getting nervous and week in the knees isn't unusual)

3. What was Bundy's daughter's name?

4. What was the name of Bundy's female lawyer towards the end of his life with whom he was rumoured to have an "inappropriately close" relationship?

5. Ann Rule, who worked with Bundy at a crisis centre for a while, would sometimes bring her dog to work. How did the dog and Bundy get along?

6. What line of inquiry were investigators in Washington following for a while in response to some things people were saying about Ted Bundy but they later dropped? (this may be obscure)

7. What university did Bundy attend on the east coast for one semester?

8. What FBI agent was very close to Bundy at the end of his life but has never written a book about him?

9. Bundy had a fetish for a particular article of clothing. What was it?

10. What disgusting habit did Stephen Michaud say Bundy had?

4. Polly Nelson.
9. Socks.

4. Nope. He didn't have an inappropriately close relationship with Polly Nelson.

9. Correct!! :)

Well, you said he was RUMORED to have the relationship with her. There were always rumors.

With Polly Nelson? Never heard that but this other one I am thinking of was very definite and obvious to many.

10.) Necrophilia

4.) Diana Weiner

7.) Temple University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8.) William Hagmaier

10.) Necrophilia: I was thinking of another one that Stephen Michaud told about but necrophilia is disgusting for sure! The disgusting habit I am thinking about doesn't involve another person and it's something he did freely in front of others (at least in front of Stephen).

All your other answers are correct!! :)

Questions Left:

1. Why did Bundy wear turleneck sweaters a lot?

2. On the walk to the death chamber what did Bundy do that was unusual and a "nice" think to do? (getting nervous and week in the knees isn't unusual)

3. What was Bundy's daughter's name? I don't feel right about asking this one and want to cancel asking it. She deserves privacy.

5. Ann Rule, who worked with Bundy at a crisis centre for a while, would sometimes bring her dog to work. How did the dog and Bundy get along?

6. What line of inquiry were investigators in Washington following for a while in response to some things people were saying about Ted Bundy but they later dropped? (this is an obscure fact)

10. What disgusting habit did Stephen Michaud say Bundy had? The disgusting habit I am thinking about doesn't involve another person and it's something he did freely in front of others (at least in front of Stephen).

1. People laughed at his bowties.

LOL

2) moonwalked.

LOL Wrong but Ding! Ding! Ding! anyway.

1- He was trying to hide a mole on his neck so he wouldn't easily be identified.

5- The dog growled at him and her fur stood on end.

6- That he may have been gay.

10- That he picked his nose and bit his nails.

2- Oh wait I just remembered, he confessed to another murder on his way to the electric chair, I think it was in Utah or Colorado.

Wow, Dina! You are correct on all of them and you even got #6 that I don't hear mentioned very often. :)

BTW: He also hated that mole. I don't understand why he just didn't have it removed.

LOL I'm a total true crime book nerd, and I read most of the Bundy books, I think it's such an interesting case. Next I want to get the new Bundy book by Kevin Sullivan, I read the previous one he wrote, 'The Bundy Murders' and I really liked it.

I remember reading in 'The Only Living Witness' (and also in 'The Deliberate Stranger' I think), about the detectives considering that he may have been gay when they were investigating his background but then dropped it. I agree about the mole too, I wondered why he never had it removed since it was so noticeable. I was surprised that sometimes when he went out hunting for victims, like in the Lake Sammammish (sp?) incident that he wore shirts that didn't cover the mole, but then again he himself said that sometimes he felt so cocky and invincible and convinced he would never get caught no matter what he did.

This was a great trivia quiz, you picked great questions.

Yeah, you have to be a serious Bundy scholar to know all that. I never heard about the mole before in my life, for instance. But I can suggest that he never had it removed because he subsisted almost entirely on odd jobs and shoplifting. Subsistence shoplifters almost never have health coverage.

I also suspect that if he was going out to kill someone, he figured there would be nobody to point out the mole. Hey, that may have even been a factor in using the fake cast on his arm. You don't notice birthmarks when a guy has a broken arm, am I right?

Regarding #5 - The dog growled at him and her fur stood on end ...

I love this fact. I love dogs and I do believe they can sense things about people that we don't or at least we don't right away and they do. My dog only reacted to a few people that way and I took her reaction seriously when she did.

Fishface, yes, like Shelley said, he hated that mole and made an effort to disguise it by frequently wearing turtlenecks because he knew it was such an identifying feature, but as part of his psychopathology he would have feelings of superiority and invincibility and would sometimes ignore all of the precautions he normally took when he went out searching for his next victim. He was surprisingly cocky and even he himself was later surprised by the crazy chances that he sometimes took and was surprised that he wasn't caught sooner. I think you're right, at the time, he probably thought that witnesses would be distracted by his bandages and crutches and not really pay any attention to his face or any other identifying features, and that unfortunately was sometimes true. Some witnesses though did get a really good look at him and gave very detailed descriptions of his facial structure and his features and his hair and the clothes he was wearing and the police were able to produce incredibly accurate sketches from these descriptions, so much so that before he was arrested, Bundy's friends and coworkers would playfully tease him about how much he resembled the sketches. I must say that I'm surprised that none of the witnesses ever noticed that mole (in times when he wasn't bothering to try to hide it), they noticed so many other details about him except for that mole. It was pretty big and once you see it you can't unsee it, lol.

Shelley you're absolutely right, animals have a sixth sense and they notice and pick up on things that we don't. It's funny, one of my friends told me that before she met her husband, every time she brought a guy to her apt to hang out, her cat would hiss at them and was very unfriendly towards them but when she first brought her future husband home and he sat on the couch, her cat immediately ran to him and sat in his lap purring. So my friend thought, 'ok this is guy I'm going to marry, he even has the approval of the cat' LOL They've been happily married for so many years and it's funny that the cat sensed it from the beginning.

Bundy was such a fascinating character,he was hiding a mole so he wouldn't be identified yet introduced himself to potential victims as Ted.

That is so true Lee, he really was.

We need to remember at all times that Ted never went out hunting for women without getting likkered up first. That never improves a guy's decision-making.

That's right Fishface, as Bundy used to call it, "loosening his inhibitions".

This reminded me that Bundy would even get drunk and high during his trial for the murder of Kimberly Leach. Carol used to sneak him liquor and Valiums hidden in lunches that she used to bring him. One time he almost passed out in court. Leave it to Bundy to get plastered during his trial. Like Lee said, he really was a character.

Speaking of Bundy ...

Bundy's lawyer in Utah, John Henry Browne, has a book coming out in August of this year called The Devil's Defender: My Odyssey Through American Criminal Justice from Ted Bundy to the Kandahar Massacre.

I will definitely be getting that one. I get all the books on Bundy.

Wow that book looks very interesting Shelley, thanks for sharing it. This is the guy who said that Bundy confessed to him that he had actually killed a man once. I had never heard that he had killed any men before, only women, so this should be interesting to say the least, I would love to know the details of that conversation.

Me too! He also said that Bundy killed over 100 people and that the man he killed was his first murder. I am sure he will have some interesting things to say ... at least I hope so. :)

Wait -- the MAN he killed? Who was that?

We don't know. A few years ago, John Browne was interviewed (I bet it's still on YouTube) and he talked about his book. Those are the two things he said that really stood out; Bundy's first murder was a male and he killed over 100.

Yep, you can see it on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Ouj...

If you watch the video you will hear that the book was due out in a few months but didn't happen obviously.

Yes, I remember watching this video a few years ago, but didn't hear anymore about it until you brought the link to the book here. I'm so curious to read it now, it sounds like this guy has a lot of interesting stories to tell. It's creepy hearing how Bundy stalked him and found out all of those personal things about him beforehand.

Of course some people think that Bundy probably lied to him, which is possible of course, but I'm very curious and intrigued by these confessions and what exactly was said, I definitely want to read the details. Of course you have to wonder why Bundy never said these things to anyone else, like in his roundabout confessions to Michaud, or his end of life confessions to Polly Nelson and Bob Keppell, but then again from that tape, you see that Bundy carefully stalked Browne and seemed to even "choose" him as the person to speak to after he was caught in Florida, so it makes me curious.

Bundy also (kind of) admitted he killed Ann Marie Burr as a 14 year old to Browne.Unfortunately he did it in speaking in the third person as he did in a few of his interviews.
It's mentioned in The Trail of Ted Bundy: Digging Up The Untold Stories

But everything he admitted, he admitted in the third person, until the big blurt right before he was executed.

Fishface wrote: "We need to remember at all times that Ted never went out hunting for women without getting likkered up first. That never improves a guy's decision-making."

Yeah that's why guys follow me home from the bar .... if they were sober they would know about the knife and the back hoe ....



Nevermind.

LOL