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A Dance With Dragons ~ 37. The Prince of Winterfell *Discuss only this chapter and anything prior

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What if Ramsey is really old Reek and Ramsey was killed by Reek?

AND of course Lady Dustin didn't finish the story about the Maester.

Well in the last chapter when Theon first recognized the fake Arya as Jayne Poole, I thought it was her being a devious girl.

Nope, not so much. It seems like Roose is behind all this Fake Arya business. And poor Jayne is just a scared young girl.

I like the way Theon is slowly coming around.

Poor Jayne. I wanted her to say something in the middle of that sham of a wedding.

Roseanne wrote: "Poor Jayne. I wanted her to say something in the middle of that sham of a wedding."

I think if she did it would be another nasty wedding ending with lotsa blood!

You are probably right

Alex Farrand wrote: "What if Ramsey is really old Reek and Ramsey was killed by Reek?"

Thats not possible. Because remember Roose Bolton told Theon Greyjoy/(the current) Reek that the first Reek used to smell really bad.

Leslie (Basesloaded32) wrote: "I like the way Theon is slowly coming around."
Yes, finally! I'd been waiting for this for so long.

This chapter gave me so many feels...

Okay, what was that about maesters? Lady Dustin said they controlled everything, I found that weird. It sounded so out of place, but again, GRRM doesn't do random. There must be a reason why she said this.

Also, it took me a while to figure out that that Abel singer with his washerwomen are actually Mance and the spearwives.

I can't help but wonder, is Theon truly being helpful in not being honest to Arya/Jeyne or not.

"I made myself the Prince of Winterfell, and from that came all of this."

Well that is definitely not how I expected that to end!

Ria - how do you figure that it's Mance & his spearwives?

Brianna wrote: "Ria - how do you figure that it's Mance & his spearwives?"
Well, I don't really remember what happened in this chapter, so sorry for any accidental spoilers, but he was sent to save Arya and he's the only stranger in there. All the others are different lords and ladies and their servants. And he's a singer. And Mance is a singer. Besdies, the women won't stop bothering Theon, so I assume they want to get information from him and why would they do that if they're just the wives of some random singer? I don't really have any concrete evidence, but I'm 100% sure it's them.

Ria wrote: "Brianna wrote: "Ria - how do you figure that it's Mance & his spearwives?"
Well, I don't really remember what happened in this chapter, so sorry for any accidental spoilers, but he was sent to save..."

That makes a lot of sense! Thank you.

You're welcome :)

Ria wrote: "Also, it took me a while to figure out that that Abel singer with his washerwomen are actually Mance and the spearwives."

I agree. Abel the musician has six women with him. Mance Rayder left Castle Black with six spearwives. Mance also was said to have been at Winterfell in A Game of Thrones disguised as a musician.

Theon hearing his name in the Godswood reminded me of the Bran chapter. I wonder if it was Bran speaking to him?

And of course that ending. Ramsay has no end of ways to debase the people around him.