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Loyalty in Death
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Loyalty In Death Buddy Read - Oct. 2016
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I'll get it ordered from our library and have it on hand to read the first week of the new month!
One of my favorites!
Oh good! This is also one of my favorites!!!
Yay!! I'll have to go check it out so that I can have it as a refresher. I just read it not long ago. :-)
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I will be getting it Tuesday from the library, Yay!
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I just love how protective Peabody is about her brother in the Big city. I'm about a third in. Can't wait to fix us. So many themes. So many funny titbits
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Oh yeah...Peabody is so protective!
Open discussions start tomorrow! Yay!
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One of the many momentous moments in Loyalty In Death for me is, when Roarke is wounded and hanging off the side of the Statue of Liberty. When he looks into her eyes and sees terror, I think it really hits home to him how much she truly loves him and needs him. The reader sees this fear in her earlier in the series (Rapture) but I think that her love and desperate desire to save him in this situation makes him more determined to survive somehow. The other momentous moment that I always recall in this book is the death of Malloy. So incredibly sad.
Charlene wrote: "I'll get it ordered from our library and have it on hand to read the first week of the new month!"<
Jeanine wrote: "One of the many momentous moments in Loyalty In Death for me is, when Roarke is wounded and hanging off the side of the Statue of Liberty. When he looks into her eyes and sees terror, I think it re..."I must say that stands out. Also the next scene wither her commander. Wonder what went though his head as she said that.
What also just rang a bell for me in this reread was that she had a dream about her mother. I hadn't realised that we had that glimpse so early on. Not a lot was made of it because there was a lot of other issues
Michelle wrote: "Jeanine wrote: "One of the many momentous moments in Loyalty In Death for me is, when Roarke is wounded and hanging off the side of the Statue of Liberty. When he looks into her eyes and sees terro..."Yes, good point. Of course her experience with Stella stands in sharp contrast to someone like Anne Malloy, a cop, with two young children at home and a 3rd on the way who continues to risk her life for the public.
So true Jane. I always wondered if they hadn't targeted Eve ( I know they discussed that it was the luck of the draw) . Everything was so specific to these two. And this was thought out.
Anne Malloy, for some reason, always sticks with me. After all these years, I still regret what happened to her.
Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Anne Malloy, for some reason, always sticks with me. After all these years, I still regret what happened to her."I know Kirsten. It does for me too. It's just so tragic; so shocking. I think this tragedy affected Eve and Roarke both as well.
I have trouble remembering many of the secondary characters, but Anne has stuck with me for many years.
How many characters (criminals) in the IN DEATH series have been born or groomed to do such evil this. I know the IN DEATH series is fiction but at times J. D. Robb does go over the top a bit.
I don't know Mara, but there are quite a few. I think one of her main themes is nature v. nurture. There are many books where there are characters that were just born bad... and then there are many who chose to be bad... and then others that were a product of bad parents.
Kristen, I agree with you. I just voiced it in a different way.I have been either listening or reading this series for a long time, but it didn't dawn on me until after reading APPRENTICE IN DEATH the NURTURE vs NATURE themes she has had with teens and preteens.
i remember ready the list of sites that had to be check for bombs. One was the Twin Towers. this was written so long ago yet some of these storylines are very scary in what's happening in the world today.
I've always felt that J.D./Nora is quite prophetic. For instance, the more I read the news about police shootings and gun deaths here in the US, the more I think of the urbans.Oh, I do wish we had the Gun ban.
How scary that is. I mean years ago we thought Star Trek is far fetched with some of the gadgets. But now I think we have to fear that fiction may be come a dying concept with the way the world is changing
Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "I've always felt that J.D./Nora is quite prophetic. For instance, the more I read the news about police shootings and gun deaths here in the US, the more I think of the urbans.Oh, I do wish we ha..."
I often find myself thinking about how prophetic the books are too :)
Michelle wrote: "How scary that is. I mean years ago we thought Star Trek is far fetched with some of the gadgets. But now I think we have to fear that fiction may be come a dying concept with the way the world is ..."Fiction will never die. I heard someone say once that non-fiction gives you facts, but fiction gives you truth.
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Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Michelle wrote: "How scary that is. I mean years ago we thought Star Trek is far fetched with some of the gadgets. But now I think we have to fear that fiction may be come a dying concept with the ..."I love that Kirsten. I must remember that.
Michelle wrote: "Jeanine wrote: "One of the many momentous moments in Loyalty In Death for me is, when Roarke is wounded and hanging off the side of the Statue of Liberty. When he looks into her eyes and sees terro..."What was also interesting about that nightmare is the fact that she is in the nightmare as herself as well as the child she was.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Share your thoughts on Loyalty In Death. What stood out most about this book to you? What will you remember as Momentous Moments?"Another great moment to me was the scene where Peabody and McNab discover they have the "hots" for each other and slip away into the empty office at Cop Central. Hilarious. And the following up in the elevator in McNab's building is priceless. I love the way NR always incorporates humor and hilarity into these stories.
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Another great moment to me wa..."
I do too, Jeanine! Those were great moments! I just love Peabody & McNab. One of my fav things about this series is the snarky humor that is woven throughout. It really breaks up the brutality of some of the crime scenes. And it's often very "tongue in cheek"...love it!
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Michelle wrote: "i remember ready the list of sites that had to be check for bombs. One was the Twin Towers. this was written so long ago yet some of these storylines are very scary in what's happening in the world..."I had the same thought, Michelle.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Sound off on the case in Loyalty. Does it take precedence over character relationship development in this one? Did you find it as believable, as intense as some of the other cases? What stands out ..."The kind of long-lived fanatic loyalty in this book gave me the creeps. It is very timely, too, sad to say.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Share your thoughts on Loyalty In Death. What stood out most about this book to you? What will you remember as Momentous Moments?"Finished the book yesterday and once again, Peabody is my favorite character. I really enjoyed her interactions with her brother Zeke and her moments with McNab - sweet and steamy!
Feeney's reaction to catching them together was priceless!
Jeanine wrote: "The other momentous moment that I always recall in this book is the death of Malloy. So incredibly sad."Yes, it was the saddest moment, but I sort of knew she would die from the moment her character was introduced (a definite red-shirt).
Michelle wrote: "What also just rang a bell for me in this reread was that she had a dream about her mother."Yes, it was an interesting moment. Mothers do not come over well in this installment. Monica Rowan is certainly a piece of work.
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Sound off on the case in Loyalty. Does it take precedence over character relationship development in this one? Did you find it as believable, as intense as some of the other cases? What stands out ..."I think that there is always a strong element of character development and relationship development in all of the books, including this one; but, for me, the case takes precedence in this one. And I agree, it is very scary in light of what has been going on in the world going back to the World Trade Center bombing, then 911, etc., what has happened in Paris of late, etc.
Michelle wrote: "i remember ready the list of sites that had to be check for bombs. One was the Twin Towers. this was written so long ago yet some of these storylines are very scary in what's happening in the world..."I was actually waiting for the Twin Towers to be mentioned because the book was originally published in 1999 :(
Kirsten: Fiction will never die. I heard someone say once that non-fiction gives you facts, but fiction gives you truth.."Great quote and very true!
Sandra ~ ♥ Cross My Heart ♥ wrote: "Sound off on the case in Loyalty. Does it take precedence over character relationship development in this one? Did you find it as believable, as intense as some of the other cases? What stands out ..."I might not have found it as believable if I had read the book when it was originally published. Unfortunately, today with all of the terrible things going on in the world, it is all too realistic.
The case had some incredibly intense moments, but the villains are all to obvious as is the set up of Lisbeth and Zeke. So, for me, it is still the character relationships that stand out - Peabody and McNab taking the next step in their relationship, Peabody and Zeke's closeness, Roarke and Eve's quarrel and Eve realizing that she's hurt him and making up for it, the hints at the kind of person Eve's mother was ...
I agree, Lauren. I was so sad that Roarke was hurt, but it was good that he could open up and tell Eve that.
Plot Summary
An unknown bomber is stalking New York City. He is sending Eve Dallas letters promising to wreak terror and destruction among the corrupt masses. And when his cruel web of deceit and destruction threatens those she cares for most, Eve fights back. It's her city. It's her job and it's hitting too close to home.
Timeline
Starting: February, 2059
Loyalty in Death Map (Spoiler Alert)
Additional Covers
Trivia
-Because it was released before the fall of the Twin Towers in 2001, the original cover of Loyalty, showed the Statue of Liberty with the Twin Towers in the background.
-We are introduced to the first of Delia Peabody's family, her youngest brother Zeke.
-We learn that Peabody was a Girl Scout, Eagle Level.
-The exact date that the Pentagon was blown up is September 25, 2023.
In Ceremony in Death, Peabody lives on Houston St. In this book, she says Autotron is "a few blocks west of my place, on Ninth. Ninth and Twelfth." There is no 12th Avenue at 9th St, and the intersection of Little West 12th St and 9th Ave is at least 16 blocks north of the nearest point on Houston St.
Character List:
Eve Dallas
Roarke
Ryan Feeney
Mavis Freestone
Nadine Furst
Charlotte Mira
Ian McNab
Delia Peabody
Lawrence Summerset
Jack Whitney
David Baxter
Dickie Berenski
Crack
Galahad
Leonardo
Charles Monroe
Harrison Tibble
Trina
Minor & Peripheral Characters:
B. Donald Branson
Clarissa Branson
Chambers
Sherry Combs
Lisbeth Cooke
Suzanna Day
Sergeant Howard
Paul Lamont
Anne Malloy
Lucas Mantz
Zeke Peabody
Ratso
Monica Stone Rowan
Captain Sully
Chris Tipple
Howard Bassi (The Fixer)
Nancy Bassi
E. Francis Branson
J. Clarence Branson
Driscol
William Henson
Peter Johnson
Milicent Jung
Madia
Carl Minnu
Julia Rowan Peterman
Pokey
James Rowan
Detective Sally
Sheila
Officer Snyder
Susan B. Stoops
Quote #1:
Ian McNab: "Hey, Peabody." He wiggled his brows when she came into view, sliding his hand under his bright pink shirt mimed a thumping heart.
"Asshole," she muttered and stepped aside.
Scowling, Eve cut him off. "Roarke thinks he's got a thing for you."
"He's got a thing for breasts," Peabody corrected. "I happen to have a pair. I caught him eyeballing Sheila's from Records, and hers aren't as good as mine."
Thoughtfully, Eve glanced down at her own. "He doesn't look at my tits."
"Yes, he does, but he's careful because he fears you nearly as much as he fears Roarke."
"Only nearly? I'm disappointed."
Quote #2:
Eve: "Move your hand or I'll have to arrest you for assaulting an officer."
Roarke: "When we get home, will you read me my rights and interrogate me?"
Eve: "Pervert."