What's the Name of That Book??? discussion

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► UNSOLVED: One specific book > Children's (sci-fi?), read 1990s, uses Liar's Paradox "The above statement is true. The below statement is false."

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message 1: by Mel (last edited Jul 17, 2017 07:07AM) (new)

Mel | 12 comments This is a long shot, but I remember as a child first reading the Liar's Paradox:

The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

Or some similar variation of it. Perhaps the character was first being introduced to paradoxes themselves. I'm afraid I can't remember the story itself. It was probably children's general fiction or science-fiction. Mostly what I remember is those two sentences separated out from the rest of the text, and just puzzling over them back and forth in my head.

Having referenced this paradox many times since, it would relieve this niggling sensation to be able to remember the book where I first encountered it. Thank you for any suggestions.


message 2: by Kris (new)

Kris | 54921 comments Mod
Melissa, around what year did you read this book?

Probably not what you're looking for, but I'll mention it just in case it triggers a memory. Fantasy novel The Lake of Tears by Emily Rodda. Chapter 3: "...We will play a game to decide which way you will die... If what you say is true, I will strangle you with my bare hands. If what you say is false, I will cut off your head."


message 3: by Mel (new)

Mel | 12 comments Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's not it.

I read it in the 1990s, probably early 90s rather than later, but I wouldn't be able to pin down an exact year.

I do know that the paradox wasn't paraphrased, but the two lines were spaced out from the rest of the text, parallel to one another.


message 4: by Mel (new)

Mel | 12 comments Bump.


message 5: by Amanda (new)

Amanda (misterfive) | 215 comments Don't know if this will help any, but the paradox is also known as the double liar's paradox, card paradox, postcard paradox, and Jourdain paradox

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it gets referenced in The Mysterious Benedict Society series somewhere (maybe as part of the initial puzzles in the first book?), but those are too late (2007) to be your book anyway if you read it in the 90s.

I think it also gets mentioned towards the end of Pratchett's Thief of Time, but that's 2001, and probably not considered a children's book.


message 6: by [deleted user] (new)

Have you tried a Wrinkle in Time? Or The Ear the Eye and the Arm, perhaps the Westing Game? That's my best 90's kid guesses where a statement like that would pop up.


message 8: by Andy (new)

Andy | 2124 comments Makes me think of a book called Xorandor, in which two children encounter an intelligent rock - basically a computer - and learn to communicate with it in something like computer code Xorandor


message 9: by Lobstergirl, au gratin (new)

Lobstergirl | 44914 comments Mod
Melissa, are you still looking for this or did you find it?


message 10: by Mel (new)

Mel | 12 comments I'm afraid I never did find it. I wish I could give additional information about the book, but that detail is divorced from the rest of the storyline, unfortunately.


message 11: by Kris (new)

Kris | 54921 comments Mod
Have you eliminated the suggested books above?


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