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I was having some doubts after a few story and character turns in the previous episode and this brought all of my worst concerns to the fore. 6-7 seasons worth of plot and character development , for everyone, feel like they've been thrown in the bin for an excuse to go have a big spectacle. Just narratively, for me, there was no understandable or logical progression of one action to another, with massive inconsistency in the basic reality.
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Just generally, aside from most of the first 3 episodes, I feel completely let down by how this season is wrapping up. I'm not actually looking forward to the finale anymore as I see more character assassination being inevitable.
It's interesting to read through the comments here. Thanks for providing them. I left the TV version somewhere in the second season, yet since the TV overtook the books I read the spoilers to satiate my curiosity. Does anybody know if the ending in the TV is the one that GRRM intends for the books as well?
I heard that GRRM told the TV mob who he wants on the Iron Throne at the end of the saga but who knows if they're going to go with his choice. They've only got one left to do it. I haven't watched it since halfway through season 2 as well. I've seen random episodes between then and now and I haven't been too worried about spoilers in the meantime.
Gabi wrote: "Does anybody know if the ending in the TV is the one that GRRM intends for the books as well? "I really hope not. And I hope that the challenge to improve upon the series motivates him to finish already!
Travis wrote: "Gabi wrote: "Does anybody know if the ending in the TV is the one that GRRM intends for the books as well? "I really hope not. And I hope that the challenge to improve upon the series motivates him to finish already! "
Please!!
So a little bit of poking around has me maybe rethinking Daenerys's decisions in the last episode:(view spoiler)
GRRM is no where near finishing anything. He's finishing up with this show, just to work on the next. I mean, the man isn't even thinking of his readers. The very folk who got him to this point. I have no expectations of seeing either of the books before 2022.... humpf.
Travis wrote: "Gabi wrote: "Does anybody know if the ending in the TV is the one that GRRM intends for the books as well? "I really hope not. And I hope that the challenge to improve upon the series motivates h..."
It depends on what you mean by 'the same' and where you get your information. From what I can gather from various sources, the main plot beats are going to be the same, but some of the minor characters will get different stories and motivations might be different or more fleshed out. What you take that to mean, or how you interpret it so far as various events on the show.... who knows.
(I maintain, and I have for a while, that Martin has no clue how to finish his story. He's had the ending in mind for a while, but no real clear idea how to get his characters to do what he wants them to do.)
Melani, I agree with your thought that Martin doesn't know how to get to the end. For me books 4 and 5 were just a mess of 5000 new characters and info dumps. I mean were are left in the books with (view spoiler)
Don't click on link if you don't want spoilers, but here's a good article on martin and the TV show:https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultass...
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CBRetriever wrote: "Don't click on link if you don't want spoilers, but here's a good article on martin and the TV show:https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultass......"
CBRetriever wrote: "Don't click on link if you don't want spoilers, but here's a good article on martin and the TV show:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultass......"
Yes. yes. and Yes.
Are all the spoilers from msg 183 onwards about something we haven't seen in the show (yet)? Meaning can I open any of them if I don't want to *know* something about the finale? Speculation is fine.
Anna wrote: "Are all the spoilers from msg 183 onwards about something we haven't seen in the show (yet)? Meaning can I open any of them if I don't want to *know* something about the finale? Speculation is fine."As far as I can tell the spoilers in tags are all only up to the most recent episode and no content about what happens in the final episode. The article just talks about the fact that Martin told the creators how it ends, but doesn't go into what that ending actually is.
Rosie wrote: "I watched the clips of them talking about Dany's motivation, "
Agree 100%.
I saw a different article featuring that David Silvermint twitter thread this morning with the same concept, and it definitely makes sense. Here's the direct link to the twitter thread: https://twitter.com/dsilvermint/statu...
Corinne wrote: "Interesting Tor.com article (spoilers)."That's a great piece. Thanks for sharing. And LOL at the point made re. Ghost. So true!
I think there will be some screams tomorrow night. :)
M.L. wrote: "I think there will be some screams tomorrow night. :)"I'm going to watch with some friends. I almost think seeing the reactions will be as fun as the actual episode.
I almost feel like starting the whole series over....there was some good stuff over the years.
Corinne wrote: "Did seeing Dany's brother make you nostalgic?"Maybe just a little. 😉
Jennifer wrote: "I almost feel like starting the whole series over....there was some good stuff over the years."HBO played one season per day for a week before the premiere of the current season. However I have have all six season on DVD or BlueRay.
It was good revisiting all the past seasons, though
See my comments above
Michel, could you please edit out or hide the spoilery bits from the quote, thanks!
Jerry-Book wrote: " (view spoiler)"I actually think she (view spoiler)
Here are several good (view spoiler)
Not a spoiler: What is the appropriate punishment for a spouse that promised to come home after sports to watch the last ever GoT with their wife and come 9 pm wife texts to say wtf and spouse has gone out drinking instead....without telling ....Maybe fire....
Rachel wrote: "Not a spoiler: What is the appropriate punishment for a spouse that promised to come home after sports to watch the last ever GoT with their wife and come 9 pm wife texts to say wtf and spouse has ..."He went drinking because he knew this episode was...…. @#!@%E^#
I liked it. It was like the ending of a great fantasy novel. Bittersweet, unexpected , yet satisfying, leaving you wanting for just one more chapter....
I definitely watched without him. Drogon is the winner of this episode.
Rachel wrote: "Not a spoiler: What is the appropriate punishment for a spouse that promised to come home after sports to watch the last ever GoT with their wife and come 9 pm wife texts to say wtf and spouse has ..."
Feed him to Drogon!
Feed him to Drogon!
I haven’t really watched since the middle of season 2 but have caught a few episodes here and there. I do keep up with what’s happening though. My kids are GoT nuts. I watched today’s episode and loved it. I found the ending very satisfying.
And as to husbands that go out drinking instead of coming home. 🐉 🔥
(view spoiler)[it was quite disappointing to see 4 or 5 characters have their years worth development trashed. I don't read fan theories, but I had my own ideas based on what the show presented so far.
I only like the scenes with the hound and the moment between Tyrion and Jamie.
Good action and stunning cinematography tho. (hide spoiler)]