History in Vogue discussion

Discussion for series three of ITV/Masterpiece Poldark

Cant wait!

I have resisted reading the next book in the series and reading any major spoilers for the series. I have Monday off so I will try to watch along with everyone else.

QNPoohBear wrote: "I have resisted reading the next book in the series and reading any major spoilers for the series. I have Monday off so I will try to watch along with everyone else."

Oh, it hurt so much to hit that button on my phone's Google saying "Not interested in updates on Poldark". I AM, I AM, but I didn't want to see spoilers! Will be thinking of you all with a bowl of popcorn!

Keep in mind, I haven´t read the books................I´m getting the sinking feeling that we won´t be seeing Verity and the baby again.......Why are all the good folk getting offed!?

Linda Abhors the New GR Design wrote: "Keep in mind, I haven´t read the books................I´m getting the sinking feeling that we won´t be seeing Verity and the baby again.......Why are all the good folk getting offed!?"

I won't spoil things, but I don't think it's Verity we won't see again from that scene.

The way the camera lingered as she drove off with Caroline, I thought "Oh, she's going to LIsbon to meet him, and their ship will go down, and she and the baby will be lost, and he'll turn up looking for them back in Cornwall."
Can't remember who else was in the scene.
NOBODY puts Aunt Agatha in a corner! Or in her room! Lol. I shall miss her, hope she makes a break for it.

I didn't feel any ominous warnings about Verity. I think she'll wait for her husband to return to her and if not, as she said, she had 6 happy years. I felt SO SO horrible for her. She fought so hard to be happy and I was just devastated when Capt. Blamey appeared to be dead. I have my doubts any of them will survive the war. I'd sacrifice Blamey for Dwight! While I think Ross is very easy on the eyes, he drives me crazy with his recklessness! It's Dwight who is my hero of choice - except for the incident with Kerin.

I love Aunt Agatha! She's a hoot. No filter.

I feel bad for the baby. First he didn't ask to be born "too soon" out of a reckless mistake. Second he didn't get to choose his parents and third he didn't get to choose his own name. VALENTINE? Not George Junior or George Cary? Uncle Cary is unimpressed. Now Elizabeth is indifferent to baby horrible name when she spent so much time and energy obsessing with Geoffrey Charles.

Speaking of... I quite like the precocious youngster. He's starting to resemble Uncle Ross in spirit more than his weenie father.

Poor Demelza looked terrified Elizabeth's baby would come early and cause a scandal. She suspects what Ross got up to but doesn't really want to know. Hm She's with child again though so she seems to have forgiven him.

Demelza's brothers and the Romeo & Juliet story centering around Sam and Morwen doesn't appeal to me.

Who is the man with the hook hand? I found it hard to hear at times, especially when my parents were carrying on a conversation when they weren't even in the same room. I have to watch it again.

I work Monday so I may wait until I get home to watch it this week.

QNPoohBear wrote: "I didn't feel any ominous warnings about Verity. I think she'll wait for her husband to return to her and if not, as she said, she had 6 happy years. I felt SO SO horrible for her. She fought so ha..."

haha, I expected that baby to pop out with a mass of dark curls on his head.....the baby did come early, so everyone suspects. And Demelza knows..........when he went to ELizabeth 9 mos ago, he was gone all night. When he came trotting home in the morning, there was a tiny exchange where he said "I had no choice", and she said "Neither do I" and gave him a wallop that sat him on his a(*&. But yes, she must have forgiven, as he pointed out yesterday, her sense of compassion knows no bounds.

I expected the baby to have dark curls and in the book heavy lidded blue eyes but it can't be THAT obvious or George would know right away.

I hope baby #3 brings Ross and Demelza closer together. I really didn't like the way the book left things. The TV series has added romance for modern audiences. I don't like book Ross as much. His "adventure" with Elizabeth is skewed a little differently and he BROKE THE LAW (again) to have his adventure and all Elizabeth gets is a marriage to Draco Malfoy's Muggle ancestor and an unwanted baby on the way.

Episode 3:
Ross hasn't changed much! He has more lives than a cat. How many times has he been nearly killed/executed 4? if you count the war or 5 if you count the incidents that sent him off to war in the first place. Something tells me that if Dwight had the chance to be rescued, he wouldn't take it. He's a doctor and he'll want to stay to save as many lives as he can.

Demelza rocks! I love how she's come into her own. She is such an amazing character!

George is rising fast. He is SO paranoid about Ross. Give it a break dude. Ross isn't even HOME. It just galls me that Elizabeth believes his lies, insinuations and paranoia. He did seem to show some slight conscience when he was given word of the young lordling who assaulted a servant girl. That is apparently not OK as long as it doesn't affect George's social climbing. It is OK when it benefits George. Elizabeth just annoys me every time she's on screen. She never bothered to learn about estate matters but she at least has a sense of noblesse oblige. Perhaps her husband would be more kind if she stopped beginning every sentence with "Francis". Now apparently she's going to be one of THOSE ladies who needs her drops. Heida Reed described Elizabeth as having post-partum depression, which sounds plausible enough. I noticed baby Valentine has big blue eyes-like TV Papa George or book Ross?

Sam, Drake, the Methodists and Morwenna= BORING! Drake and Morwenna are oh so cute Cornish Romeo and Juliet wannabes. What is a Methodist and what's the big deal about not letting them in church? Lucy Maud Montgomery seemed to dislike Methodists. Rainbow Valley

Why did Elizabeth consent to leave Geoffrey Charles alone at Trenwith? What happened to "Oh my little boy! I can't be separated from him!" Is this phase 1 before sending him to boarding school (where he should be already at his age-what is he an 11 year old actor playing 8?).

Next week I have to work every day and I don't know when I'll have time to get the TV and watch the episode!

QNPoohBear wrote: "Episode 3:
Ross hasn't changed much! He has more lives than a cat. How many times has he been nearly killed/executed 4? if you count the war or 5 if you count the incidents that sent him off to wa..."

Vague memories of the Methodist church down the street....we had to attend until age 10, at which point we were allowed to choose (between spending the day on our bikes/in the lake with our friends, or going to Bible School, where someone invariably broke their wrist playing "Red Rover"--crafts were cool, though! :))

Anyway...........a Methodist church will be much simpler than other churches.........a simple cross, no other icons or relics. They believe in taking the Eucharist, as some other Protestant religions (and Catholics) do.

History of Methodism in Cornwall (the biggest kerfluffle involved introducing the vulgate into Mass, instead of continuing with mass in Latin. And then, of course, the evangelizing....parallel to mine development):
https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/community...

I agree wholedheartedly! Last week, I simply couldn't believe that they would jump from a bar fight in a small French town, to Ross trotting into the yard on his pony. Um, what!? How did he get out of that little town?! Did he happen to find a ship conveniently waiting for him and ready to sail at the same time!? Unbelievable.

I had to watch it twice, and the buffering was God-awful...so I got to see some frozen faces that would have made amazing memes and gifs!
I believe that she was against leaving Geoffrey Charles until the little smart alec pointed out that the child looked nothing like him, very dark indeed........for that, and to try to get Ross out of her head, she went with him. And at first, it looked as though she'd welcome the distractions of society........and then, with that court case, she realized that her husband would not be a man of integrity........ergo, the laudanum. And it was back again tonight.

I don't think it's that she didn't want the child per se.........I think it just came with the burden of George finding out.........first, the baby came earlier than it should have (were it George's)......then, it starts to look amazingly "dark". A lot of pressure.

The student who used to watch it and discuss it with me is quite upset about what has happened to Dwight.

Caroline, in last week's episode, was quite the dash of color, wasn't she!? There's Demelza with her brown and earth-tone dresses, and up pops blond Caroline in a lavender dress, or a bright blue........in addition to having the makeup on point every second she's on camera, now the clothes are getting attention,t oo.

This link might be better
https://bernarddeacon.wordpress.com/c...

Well George and Elizabeth are now quite the power couple in their matching outfits. He's so nasty with no compassion. All he cares about is social climbing and he STILL doesn't get noblesse oblige. Ross and Francis were raised to take care of their tenants and it grates on Ross when he can't help them. He does everything in his power to help his tenants and feels responsible that his father didn't do enough. George doesn't get this at all.

Elizabeth makes me so mad. Her marriage to Francis could have been more successful if she hadn't been mooning over Ross and Geoffrey Charles and paid attention to her husband once in awhile. Francis was a nice guy, though a major weenie, he did finally man up at the end.

Poor Morwenna! While I'm not interested in a Cornish reenactment of Romeo & Juliet, Mr. Whitworth is disgusting! A week after his wife died and he's off partying and wearing fancy silk waistcoats? I do understand he will need a wife soon but one week is way too fast especially for a clergyman. He's worse than Mr. Collins (Pride and Prejudice). EW!

Demelza continues to be more awesome. I had to know what Clowance meant. That's such an odd name. It's apparently a place name in Cornwall. Demelza is usually quick to play matchmaker, ignoring all social conventions. Since when does she care about being beneath someone's station?

How awful for Dwight. Caroline is so naive and innocent. She'll never understand what is happening to him. I like that he has a new bromance with this Hugh fellow, his apprentice.

Next week: Ross loses yet another life? Come on Winston Graham! It's getting a bit ridiculous.

I have the book sitting on my nightstand. I don't know whether to read it now or later.

QNPoohBear wrote: "Well George and Elizabeth are now quite the power couple in their matching outfits. He's so nasty with no compassion. All he cares about is social climbing and he STILL doesn't get noblesse oblige...."

hahaha, What you just said about Ross reminds me of what one friend´s son said about his older brother when I visited them in January: ¨He´s like a cat. He comes home to eat and to sleep.¨ Kind of like Ross, and with what you think about his having 9 lives, even more so! :)

I flipped through the book. They're changing the order of events a bit so I am not reading it right now.

The last two episodes are Les Miserables-on the other side of the Channel! The prison break was completely ridiculous! Ross has used up about 6 lives by now. I knew Dwight wouldn't want to leave if there were more men he could try to save. How can he go back to sunny, naive Caroline?

Demelza rocks. She's such a better woman and wife for Ross. Can you imagine if he had married Elizabeth?

I had stumbled across a timeline showing Captain Henshawe died in 1795 so I wasn't surprised, yet a bit sad, that he died. What will Ross do without him? This will weigh heavy on his conscience.

Ross still seems oblivious to what he doesn't want to face up to, namely, Valentine Wareleggan.

Aunt Agatha is awesome as always. She's nearly 100 years old but I hope she lives forever. She's wise.

QNPoohBear wrote: "The last two episodes are Les Miserables-on the other side of the Channel! The prison break was completely ridiculous! Ross has used up about 6 lives by now. I knew Dwight wouldn't want to leave if..."

Yes! He's a cat! ;)

Yes to Aunt Agatha, as well. It hurt when she came out with that truth.........but we have to enjoy her lack of filter always, not just when she says (or does) things we like.......

Aunt Agatha is a delight because of her lack of filter. I hope she can figure out a way to help Juliet Morwenna escape marriage to that awful lecher! I flipped through the book and (view spoiler)[George initially has plans to marry Morwenna off to some old man who is likely to die soon and leave her a wealthy widow. (hide spoiler)]

Chopping wood is almost as good as scything.........but not quite :)

Aunt Agatha is awesome! Geoffrey Charles is kind of bratty but I like how he stands up to "Uncle George" and befriends Drake, a man from a vastly different station. GC takes after Uncle Ross.

George is so despicable! He is so paranoid where Ross is concerned. It's really really stupid. Grow up George! Poor Morwenna! I'm pretty sure her mother could have said no the match. What mother would want her child to marry THAT? He doesn't have money only a good family name and a host of social diseases I'm sure. Ewwww shudder!

I felt kind of bad for Caroline but Dwight is right. She didn't show much imagination or compassion for his situation. I think Ross could have told her to be patient and gentle with Dwight who has seen unimaginable horrors. I knew Dwight wouldn't want to stay home when there's more men to save.

The French had the right idea right up until they started chopping people's heads off. The French Revolution English style is about to converge on Trenwith if George keeps on as if he were to the manor born.

Ross for MP! MP trumps Magistrate.

I can not watch tomorrow as I have to work during the week but I'll try to catch up Saturday again if I can.

What a heartbreaking episode! I will miss Aunt Agatha. She was the comic relief of the show. In the book she's bedridden and cared for by a nurse. Ross takes more of an interest in her welfare-at least up to Christmas 1794. Aunt Agatha really should not have said what she did. She has no way of knowing who the baby daddy is. My younger nephew was a tiny 8 months (or 7 1/2) months child. He had a little bit of hair but his eyes and ears weren't fully formed. I'm guessing Dr. Enys can possibly identify an 8 months child when he sees one but would have been too polite for everyone's sake to say so.

Anyway... Poor Morwenna! My heart breaks for her. I predict she'll die in childbirth. Her sister is rather saucy.

UGH Ross! I get that he doesn't want to be a puppet but GEORGE? Really? I hate Ross when he's brooding and moody. He was awful to Demelza. I agree with her. How long will the big wigs allow him to go his own way without turning on him? We also know from history the first Reform Act won't be passed until long into the future.

I don't think Demelza is seriously interested in Hugh. She seemed nervous that he had made her his muse. She's just mad at Ross. I hope.

I work on Monday as usual but I have some time off during the week I may get to catch up.

GAH sometimes I can not STAND Ross! I can't stand him in a different way than I can't stand George and Ossie. They are transparent villains. Ossie = YUCK YUCK YUCK! Ross is so brooding and moody and just doesn't know when to leave well enough alone. I wish he had bared his soul to Demelza. It's no wonder she's charmed by young Hugh. Honestly. At least they talked a bit at the end.

Back to Ossie and Morwenna. What a hell she's living in! Ossie had a serious problem. I love Dr. Enys. He's grown up a lot since he arrived on the scene and he always takes his job seriously. I thought Morwenna would die in childbirth.

In the book Rowella is only 14! I'm guessing she's supposed to be older and/or this was taken from the next book? How did she get so worldly if Mama didn't speak of such things to Morwenna and Papa is a clergyman? I find it hard to believe that a librarian would let a young unmarried lady read such "filth" as the Iliad. I'm not sure that's plausible but what else is she reading? I figured she was trying to save her sister but does she understand what she's getting herself into?! I doubt she does.

My mom is getting sucked in now too LOL! I warned her it was a soap opera in period clothing.

That was one heck of an emotional finale! Now what? I have new respect for Elizabeth now but what would Poldark be without the resident villain?

I know............I was wrapped up in the holiday shoppintg, so wasn't focused. Would like to see it again. PBS is getting mean, with its "online passport" for viewing the hottest shows.

That's why I recorded everything! Amazon has Season 1 and I hope Season 2. I'm also reading the books along with the show. I need to remember to grab The Four Swans on my next trip to the Athenaeum. It's going to be a tough read. Then I may just go ahead and read The Angry Tide. That covers Season 4. Then there's a TV movie of The Stranger From the Sea featuring Horatio Hornblower. I'm balancing all the darkness out with lightness from Angela Thirkell.

QNPoohBear wrote: "That's why I recorded everything! Amazon has Season 1 and I hope Season 2. I'm also reading the books along with the show. I need to remember to grab The Four Swans on my next trip to..."
Well they greenlighted season 5, but not 6, not definitively. Apparently, if you run to London right now and get your tickets fast, you can see him live and in person in a West End theatre for L10

I'd totally go if I didn't have back pain that keeps me from sitting too long. I was planning for September 2018 but I don't think that is on the agenda.

New teaser trailer for Season 4 showing on PBS.org. It looks very... passionate. I think I need to go grab the book and read ahead. They seem to have skipped half of The Four Swans and gone forward or will slowly incorporate the rest of the Ross/Demelza/Hugh drama. I hope they don't depart too much from the books.

PBS has a new trailer for Season 4 now. We have shirtless Ross again even though he's supposed to be middle aged and starting to feel it! There's more brawling and Ross in a cravat!

QNPoohBear wrote: "PBS has a new trailer for Season 4 now. We have shirtless Ross again even though he's supposed to be middle aged and starting to feel it! There's more brawling and Ross in a cravat!"

QNPooh, you kill me! We're all dying for the Mr. Darcy scene, you're excited he's in a cravat! lol
It's the end of September, but time is going soooooo slowly!

QnPooh, did you make coaching days this year? My niece and her kids visited the weekend before, sadly, I think my great niece might have liked it.

Linda I did not make coaching days this year. I think I was away at a professional meeting or working. I never get to visit other museums because I work weekends! I'm working Sundays this fall so I'm hoping for some museum Saturdays! The school groups will start coming as soon as Poldark starts again but last year I managed to watch it after work on Mondays. I still have to go grab the next book in the series but I know they still have half of Four Swans to cover so I have time.

QNPoohBear wrote: "Linda I did not make coaching days this year. I think I was away at a professional meeting or working. I never get to visit other museums because I work weekends! I'm working Sundays this fall so I..."

okay.......coaching days, I'm not sure on this, might start on a Friday....if you can do that. I'll try to get the schedule in advance, next time. I just had had family in, and am working through an injury this summer, so didn't even think about it. I've seen it once, and it was some good free fun