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message 701: by Brian E (last edited May 07, 2023 10:17AM) (new)

Brian E Reynolds | 1125 comments When referring to our 2024 Patrick Hamilton and Henry Green Buddy Read, I will use the author's first names and refer to it as The Patrick-Henry Buddy Read.
For you Brits, on March 23, 1775, American patriot Patrick Henry famously said "Give me liberty, or give me death!" in a speech to convince the State of Virginia to pass a resolution delivering Virginian troops for the Revolutionary War to help unshackle America from its British chains.
So this read of two British authors will be an apt way to remember our American patriot Patrick Henry.


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Nigeyb | 15796 comments Mod
All three would doubtless enjoy the association 🤠👏🏻


message 703: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW I have Twenty Thousand Streets Under the Sky, but didn’t realize it was a trilogy! And I have Loving so before April 2024 I will get Living and Party Going.


message 704: by David (new)

David | 141 comments Would anyone be interested in reading Jan Carew? I'm thinking his first two novels - Black Midas and The Wild Coast - might be good buddy reads. This can be a 2024 project.


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Nigeyb | 15796 comments Mod
🤔


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Nigeyb | 15796 comments Mod
New name for me so research required


message 707: by David (new)

David | 141 comments There is so much specialization today, it's hard to imagine a scholar of postcolonialism in 2023 using a novel as a vehicle for ideas. Carew's early work was in fiction and drama. Even his later work like Rape of Paradise: Columbus and the Birth of Racism in the Americas, which he's probably most famous for today, reads like narrative nonfiction.

Peepal Tree reissued his first two novels (Black Midas and The Wild Coast) in 2009 so they should be widely available.

Anyways, I've been meaning to dig into some more foundational Caribbean lit and thought these might be good entry points.


message 708: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
I'd definitely be interested in reading some Caribbean literature, David, but neither of those two suggestions really grabbed me.

I'd love to read something by Jamaica Kincaid. Or, and you may already have read these, Marlon James' The Book of Night Women or maybe his A Brief History of Seven Killings.

Or something by Kei Miller who is fantastic - I've read his Augustown but nothing else.

And I recently went to a reading given by Olive Senior and was so impressed that I bought her Hurricane Watch: New and Collected Poems - talking to people there, she's been writing poetry for years that anyone who grew up and went to school in Jamaica will recognise as part of their memory. Would we be interested in reading a book of poetry? She also has collections of short stories.


message 709: by David (last edited May 17, 2023 01:33PM) (new)

David | 141 comments Those all sound good. Jamaica Kincaid might have the most appeal, but I'd be open to the others including poetry. Another option could be The Hills of Hebron by Sylvia Wynter. I haven't read any of these authors (including the one I originally proposed), except Marlon James, so I'm open to whatever sounds good more broadly.


message 710: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
I hadn't heard of Sylvia Wynter but Hills of Hebron sounds interesting as well.

How about Annie John by Jamaica Kincaid to start and we could schedule something else, maybe Hebron, later?

I'll be reading Hurricane Watch and Book of Night Women anyway, and always great to have company.

Who else is interested in joining us?

Annie John:
The island of Antigua is a magical place: growing up there should be a sojourn in paradise for young Annie John. But, as in the basket of green figs carried on her mother's head, there is a snake hidden somewhere within. Annie John begins by adoring her beautiful mother, but inexplicably she comes to hate her. Adolescence takes this brilliant, headstrong girl into open rebellions and secret discoveries and finally to a crisis of emotions that wrenches her away from her island home.


The Hills of Hebron:
Written in the late 1950s on the cusp of Jamaica’s independence from Britain, The Hills of Hebron tells the story of a group of formerly enslaved Jamaicans as they attempt to create a new life and assert themselves against the colonial power. Strongly anti-colonial, the novel depicts Hebron as a Revivalist community embracing Afro-Caribbean religious practices and gives voice to the social forces of that period in Jamaican and Caribbean history. Based on the early twentieth century Bedwardism movement (a revivalist group led by Alexander Bedward), The Hills of Hebron was one of the first attempts to present the lives of black Jamaicans not as colonial subjects, but as independent human beings.

That mention of Bedwardism is interesting as it's also part of Kei Miller's Augustown mentioned above.


message 711: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Ooh, what about this? The Ventriloquist's Tale by Pauline Melville:

"Where I come from, disguise is the only truth and desire the only true measure of time," the riddling, feisty narrator of The Ventriloquist's Tale asserts. Pauline Melville explores the effects of both of these in her dark--and often deeply funny--narrative of forbidden love and the clash of cultures. Set in the Guyanese capitol of Georgetown and on its distant savannahs, Melville's first novel turns on the tragic absurdities of colonialism, capitalism, and fanaticism, not to mention a pair of very illicit relationships. In the 1920s, two mixed-race siblings find it surprisingly easy to be together and unsuspected:
Just like the brown and black patterns in the artwork on the woven baskets and sifters and matapees, where it is not always possible to tell foreground from background and the animal symbols are disguised by being embedded in a geometrical whole, Beatrice and Danny were miraculously concealed by their home setting.

In the present-day strand, Chofy McKinnon, Danny's nephew, has an intense and tragic affair with Rosa Mendelson, an English academic looking into Evelyn Waugh's journey to Guyana in the 1930s. Waugh, possessed of "a pushed-up face and little pebble eyes," had stayed with the McKinnons, and forced Danny in particular to listen to hour after hour of Dombey and Son--a brilliant spin on Waugh's reportage from the Amazonias, not to mention his novel A Handful of Dust. Melville offers up an acute vision on Guyana's colonial past and present, and on the pull between nature and culture, superstition versus rationalism, blindness and sight. She knows that there is no easy middle ground, perhaps no middle ground at all. "You say we have to mix," Chofy's cousin cries. "What to do? We're destroyed if we mix. And we're destroyed if we don't."

Readers will be hard-pressed to descry any moral in the astonishing Ventriloquist's Tale (though order and institutions aren't held in high esteem). As for forbidden love--it definitely doesn't conquer all, but its memory is bliss in Beatrice's later, respectable years: "She barely had time to remember that other love which had flowed always under the grind of daily life; a sweet underground river that sometimes broke through to the surface and made its own music, but mainly stayed hidden, so that she only carried the echoes of its song."


Sounds fabulous!


message 712: by David (new)

David | 141 comments That sounds good. Put me down for Annie John. I'll try to join for both The Book of Night Women and Hurricane Watch: New and Collected Poems as well.


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David | 141 comments I'd be in for the Melville too!


message 714: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW I’ve been wanting to read Texaco by Patrick Chamoiseau since I read Slave Old Man.

One of my very favorite books and the one I most often give as a gift is The Bridge of Beyond.


message 715: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
The Bridge of Beyond sounds great, and that's a strong recommendation, Wendy :)


message 716: by Lorraine (new)

Lorraine I would be interested in joining for Annie Jones and The Bridge of beyond if buddy read gets created.


message 717: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2137 comments I read Annie John when it was first published and would definitely enjoy a reread.

I would also be up for The Ventriloquist's Tale and The Bridge of Beyond


message 718: by Lorraine (new)

Lorraine Ben wrote: "I read Annie John when it was first published and would definitely enjoy a reread.

I would also be up for The Ventriloquist's Tale and The Bridge of Beyond"


Great. Except for June anytime works for me. I will follow other people lead.


message 719: by Kathleen (new)

Kathleen | 447 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Or something by Kei Miller who is fantastic - I've read his Augustown but nothing else."

I would read anything by Kei Miller that I could get my hands on. I loved Augustown, and also haven't read anything else of his.

I might be interested in both The Book of Night Women and Annie John. This is a wonderful theme!


message 720: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Sounds like there are a group of us keen on Annie John so let's say that's a definite. When would suit everyone?

We don't have many buddies confirmed for autumn so how about October?

We have other ideas floating around with various levels of support so if anyone is desperate to read something do say and we'll see who else is definite for a buddy.

I'm also interested in reading more Caribbean literature so am more than happy to schedule in other books this and next year. Thanks, David, for starting this conversation.


message 721: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW I re-read The Bridge of Beyond every few years so I’d be interested in a buddy read of that or Annie John. The Book of Night Women sounds amazing! I do want to read that.


message 722: by David (new)

David | 141 comments This sounds great. I should have been more open-ended with suggesting Caribbean fiction, but we got there :)

I'm in for Annie John in October, if that's what works. I'll be in for some of the others too.


message 723: by Kathleen (new)

Kathleen | 447 comments I'll also plan for Annie John in October, and keep an eye out for the others. Thanks!


message 724: by Brian E (new)

Brian E Reynolds | 1125 comments This paperback of Annie John Annie John by Jamaica Kincaid is now $8.39 on Amazon. U.S. The kindle is $9.99


message 725: by Lorraine (new)

Lorraine October works for me for Annie John.
What about November for The Bridge of Beyond?
We have 3 people that wants to read it. And I may have missed some.


message 726: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
To summarise, this is where I think we are:

Annie John confirmed for October

Bridge of Beyond: Lorraine, Ben, Wendy - November?

Book of Night Women: RC, Wendy?, Kathleen? David - March?

Ventriloquist's Tale: RC, Ben, David - January?

Is this correct? Any other takers? Comments on projected dates? Do we want to spread these out a bit more?

With buddy reads, we don't need a mod to be involved and I'm happy to set up the thread for Bridge of Beyond but it would be good if someone takes on the role of lead, including firming up a date and starting the discussion when the time comes.

I'd also ask for some level of commitment as I don't want to set up threads and then no-one reads the book when it comes round. For buddies, we only need two people so these can all go ahead assuming that commitment. Better to pull out now if you're unsure😏


message 727: by Lorraine (new)

Lorraine The dates work for me. If you can set up the thread that would be great. I can take the lead for the November buddy read if everyone us ok with it. Thanks Roman Clodia.


message 728: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2137 comments I'm definite for Annie John and The Bridge of Beyond and maybe for the others.


message 729: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15796 comments Mod
I'm a possible but it will be a spontaneous thing rather than planned


Having just finished the Pym biog by Paula Byrne I'm up for more Pym. I'll post on the Barbara Pym favourite authors thread about that to see if there are any takers


message 730: by Nigeyb (last edited May 20, 2023 07:49AM) (new)

Nigeyb | 15796 comments Mod
I've updated the our list of all reads with the new buddy reads...


https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


Here's how it now looks....


June 2023

The Followers by Rebecca Wait (Group Read)
The Drop (novella) by Mick Herron (Slough House #5.5) (Buddy Read)
Joe Country by Mick Herron (Slough House #6) (Buddy Read)
Some Tame Gazelle by Barbara Pym (Buddy Read)
A View of the Harbour by Elizabeth Taylor (Buddy Read)


July 2023

English Journey by J.B. Priestley (Group Read)
Dolphin Junction: Stories (Slough House #6.4) by Mick Herron (Buddy Read)
The Catch (Slough House #6.5) by Mick Herron (Novella) (Buddy Read)
Slough House (Slough House #7) by Mick Herron (Buddy Read)
I, Claudius by Robert Graves (Buddy Read)
The Full English by Stuart Maconie (Buddy Read)
The Adventures of Miss Barbara Pym by Paula Byrne (Buddy Read)


August 2023

Bad Actors (Slough House #8) by Mick Herron (Buddy Read)
The House in Paris by Elizabeth Bowen (Buddy Read)
The Godfather by by Mario Puzo (Buddy Read)
The Makioka Sisters by Jun'ichirō Tanizaki (Buddy Read)


September 2023

The Rules of Engagement by Anita Brookner (Buddy Read)
The House of Dudley: A New History of Tudor England by Joanne Paul (Buddy Read)
The Love-charm of Bombs: Restless Lives in the Second World War by Lara Feigel (Buddy Read)


October 2023

The Constant Nymph by Margaret Kennedy (Buddy read)
Annie John by Jamaica Kincaid (Buddy read)


November 2023

The Little Girls by Elizabeth Bowen (Buddy Read)
Bridge of Beyond by Simone Schwarz-Bart (Buddy Read)


December 2023

The Towers of Trebizond by Rose Macaulay (Buddy Read)


January 2024

The Midnight Bell by Patrick Hamilton (Buddy Read)
Ventriloquist's Tale by Pauline Melville (Buddy Read)


February 2024

Loving by Henry Green (Buddy Read)


March 2024

The Siege of Pleasure by Patrick Hamilton (Buddy Read)
Book of Night Women by Marlon James (Buddy Read)


April 2024

Living by Henry Green (Buddy Read)


May 2024

The Plains of Cement by Patrick Hamilton (Buddy Read)


June 2024

Party Going by Henry Green (Buddy Read)


message 731: by Kathleen (new)

Kathleen | 447 comments I'll commit to both Annie John and The Book of Night Women in March. Thanks!

(Some of those dates need to change to 2024 though, Nigeyb. Hard to believe that's around the corner!)


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Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Cross-posting from The Midnight Bell:

It feels like months away but as we're nominating for our September group read, I wonder if anyone is interested in a Victober buddy: reading a Victorian novel for October? I know there are dedicated groups for this but thought it might be fun for us to do a mini version.

If there's interest we can set up a thread to discuss what to read.


message 733: by Sonia (new)

Sonia Johnson | 275 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Cross-posting from The Midnight Bell:

It feels like months away but as we're nominating for our September group read, I wonder if anyone is interested in a Victober buddy: reading a Victorian nove..."


I usually try to read some Vic Lit in October. Currently have Trollope's Lady Anna, two books from Mrs Oliphant's Carlingford Chronicles and Red Pottage by Mary Chomondeley on my TBR pile, but would be up for something different, ideally not a chunker.


message 734: by Alwynne (new)

Alwynne | 3466 comments I do Victober every year and although the people are pleasant there's not much discussion, so would definitely be interested.


message 735: by Brian E (last edited Jun 25, 2023 04:05PM) (new)

Brian E Reynolds | 1125 comments I would like to read Red Pottage by Mary Cholmondeley. I regret I missed The Victorian Group's read of her lesser known novel, Diana Tempest. The ones who read it seemed to really like both the book and the author's style.

It was published in 1899 toward the end of the Victorian era so is can almost be considered a 20th century read while still maintaining its Victorian bona-fides. Mary Cholmondeley published 1/2 her novels in the 20th Century. (6 out of 12). It is not as long as many Victorian novels as the Virago Modern classic edition Red Pottage by Mary Cholmondeley is only 376 pages.

I've read 20+ novels by Trollope and 3 out of the 6 (technically 4 out of 7) of the Carlingford series and would enjoy trying a new novelist that I've heard good things about; an author I could describe as both a Victorian author and a 20th Century author.

I would join in for Lady Anna too. I just checked and it's the most popular Trollope novel I haven't yet read. At 560 pages, its a step up in length from Red Pottage though. It would depend on which Carlingford series book was chosen for me to decide whether to join in a read.


message 736: by Alwynne (new)

Alwynne | 3466 comments Tania was talking about 'Red Potage' in another group and was very keen on it. I've been thinking about reading it as have a second-hand Virago copy. I picked mine up in a charity shop ages ago but see there's a Kindle edition and a cheapo reprint classic - although some of those editions are terrible.


message 737: by Roman Clodia (last edited Jun 26, 2023 12:59AM) (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Yay, definitely enough of us to do Victober: I'd be happy to read Red Pottage. I haven't read any of the Carlingford books so would happily add at least one if we can agree which. I am also wondering about Charlotte Mary Yonge, Mary Elizabeth Braddon. Will do some investigating later and pop back.

Don't forget, you don't need a mod to go ahead with a buddy and I can set up a thread for you: so I'm not sure about Lady Anna but Brian and Sonia, you could go ahead if you wish.


message 738: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
On editions, don't forget Project Gutenberg and those complete Delphi compilations.

There are some Elizabeth Gaskell books I haven't read yet, and I was wondering about short stories as quite a few Victorian writers contributed gothic/ghost stories : The Virago Book of Victorian Ghost Stories.


message 739: by Sonia (new)

Sonia Johnson | 275 comments The books I listed were just what I have. Would definitely love to read Red Pottage with you as I have not read anything by that author before. Shall we pencil that one in, and then see what other possibilities people come up with?


message 740: by Tania (new)

Tania | 1237 comments Alwynne wrote: "Tania was talking about 'Red Potage' in another group and was very keen on it. I've been thinking about reading it as have a second-hand Virago copy. I picked mine up in a charity shop ages ago but..."

I'd certainly be up for a rw-read; it was a long time ago that I first read it, and it would be interesting to read with others.


message 741: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Excellent, fellow Victoberians! I've set up a thread here for Red Pottage and we can see how we go and if we want to slip in another title closer to the time:

www.goodreads.com/topic/show/22550980...

Just beware, as some of the blurbs are very spoilery!


message 742: by Brian E (new)

Brian E Reynolds | 1125 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Excellent, fellow Victoberians! I've set up a thread here for Red Pottage ."

Great. I was optimistic and bought a Kindle version last night. Only $.99 and I knew I'd read it someday. There's a freebie too but I will pay $.99 for more accurate and real page numbers.

I've just INKed it on my calendar for VictOctober. It's my 5th scheduled read that month alongside two for this group:
The Constant Nymph by Margaret Kennedy
Annie John by Jamaica Kincaid

and the beginning of 2 three month reads in the NTLTRC group:
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell and
Fortunes of War: The Balkan Trilogy by Olivia Manning a book I nominated based on an interest ignited by a discussion of it a few years ago in this group


message 743: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14142 comments Mod
Love the Balkan Trilogy, Brian. Let me know what you think when you get to it.


message 744: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Roman Clodia: I'd be interested in a buddy read of A Spell of Winter if anyone else is keen?

Susan: I would be happy to read A Spell of Winter in October or November? I think September will be really busy for me.

Kathleen: I would love to read A Spell of Winter too, and October or November sounds perfect for me.


Just copying the above from the nominations thread: if anyone else would like to join a buddy read of A Spell of Winter by Helen Dunmore, let us know here.

I've scheduled it for November as we already have three buddy reads in October.


message 745: by David (last edited Jul 12, 2023 06:31AM) (new)

David | 141 comments I just finished a contemporary novel where the author has cited El beso de la mujer araña (Kiss of the Spider Woman) and Pedro Páramo as inspiration. It has me in the mood to revisit these classics. Realistically, this will be a project for 2024. Is anyone interested in a buddy read?


message 746: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2137 comments I would join you in a reading of Pedro Páramo.


message 747: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
I'd love to read Kiss of the Spider Woman - and possibly Pedro Paramo as well, will check out the look inside.


message 748: by David (last edited Jul 12, 2023 01:09PM) (new)

David | 141 comments Ben wrote: "I would join you in a reading of Pedro Páramo."

Great! Let's see if anyone else wants to join.

I've seen Pedro Páramo credited as inspiration for One Hundred Years of Solitude, but also a classic in its own right.

Kiss of the Spider Woman might also be fun if anyone is keen. (Edit: Glad you can join, RC. I missed your last message when I first posted this.)


message 749: by Kathleen (new)

Kathleen | 447 comments I'm interested in Pedro Páramo too.


message 750: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11834 comments Mod
Me for Kiss of the Spider Woman.


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