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message 1: by Diane (new)

Diane Moseley | 2641 comments God Can Use Our Weaknesses.-"Every weakness you have is an opportunity for God to show his strength in your life."-Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. Each time he said, “My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness.” So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me. That’s why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong.-2 Corinthians 12:8-10-DIVINE WORDS BY DIANE.


message 2: by Teresa (new)

Teresa Schultz (teresaschultzauthor) | 32 comments “WEAKNESS

In Judges, Gideon’s outnumbered army defeated the enemy with each soldier using nothing but a torch, a trumpet, and a water pitcher.

Gideon started out with over thirty thousand men armed for battle. God told him, “You have too many men” (Judges 7:2). God needed them to know that victory came from Him and not from their power, so the glory would go to Him.

God told Gideon that all those who were afraid could leave. Twenty-two thousand men left. Then God said, “There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I will thin them out for you there” (Judges 7:4).

Three hundred men drank the water from cupped hands rather than kneeling down to drink the water. God told Gideon, “With the three hundred… I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the others go home” (Judges 7:7).

On the day of the battle, Gideon did as the Lord had commanded.

He divided the three hundred men into three companies giving each man a trumpet and water pitcher with a torch inside. Upon Gideon’s signal, the three hundred men blew their trumpets and smashed their jars. Then they shouted, “A sword for the Lord and for Gideon” (Judges 7:20)!

The Midianites were afraid and confused. Some of them ran and some of them attacked their fellow soldiers. The Israelites defeated the vast Midianite army with a fraction of the men but with all the power of God.

Like the pitchers that held the torches, our bodies are weak and fragile, yet they hold the fire of the Holy Spirit. That fire burns in us waiting to be released so that others can see it. The light was released when the pitchers were broken. Sometimes we need to be broken to release the light in us. Our weakness allows the light of God to be seen.

There are so many things that I struggle with, but my biggest weakness is my struggle with addiction. Yet God uses my weakness to teach me, to help me grow, and to give me hope. He also uses my weakness to help others. We are fragile, frail, and fallible, yet we have been entrusted by God to carry the message of salvation. God’s power dwells inside our earthen vessel. He uses us not in spite of who we are, but because of who we are and who He is making us to be.

(Jesus) said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’ Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:9–11”
-excerpt from The Bible In Poetry: Volume One: The Old Testament, Teresa Schultz


message 3: by Diane (new)

Diane Moseley | 2641 comments Thanks for sharing! God Bless!!!


message 4: by Teresa (new)

Teresa Schultz (teresaschultzauthor) | 32 comments Thank you! I enjoy reading your posts.


message 5: by Robert (last edited Dec 01, 2017 08:33AM) (new)

Robert Diane,

This OT story is, like all others, an illustration of a spiritual experience that is very specific and internal. The mind is concentrated at the all-seeing 'third-eye' (Matt. 6:22 is a NT example) and light is seen within in meditation. I wrote two books explaining the connection between these modern mystic teachings and the Bible. If you want to know more, go to Scienceofthesoul.org This is beyond your wildest dreams exciting. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1524627607/...
http://www.amazon.com/The-Bible-says-...


message 6: by Mickey (new)

Mickey Mullen (mrmullenvcncom) | 632 comments Reading some of the messages I see no hope for mankind. The Gospels of St John, Matthew, and Mark are basically the rules, to live with God in His kingdom after we die, but the rants coincide with what God said after Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Luke can get a person in trouble, and the other Gospels have verses that never came from God. Genesis 3: 5 "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." I have found out that it is virtually impossible to change a persons belief system. This is why Jesus never tried to change the Pharisees or Saducees mind set. Don't bother me with the facts my mind is made up, the protestants have a song that they sang, "just like a tree planted by the water I will not be moved."

Teresa you bring up a battle that happened in the Old Testament, and according to Jesus the law and the prophets ended with John the Baptist. St Matthed 11;13.

You said you have trouble with addiction. I quit in about one minute with alcoholism, smoking, swearing like a sailor, and the bar seen. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God their heart was changed. It reads in Ezekiel 36:26 that God will give a person a new heart, That happened to me but the preachers believe that if you live long enough and keep going to church, and give money, as Paul the false prophets said, eventually you will achieve a new heart status. St John 5:43
You said the Holy Spirit is is in us, and the preachers say that it comes in when he gives the sinners prayer. What if both are wrong. Jesus received it in St Matthew 3:16 it went in His mouth, and down His throat. Afterward He went into the wilderness to learn of the things of God from the Holy Ghost, as Ezekiel 36:27 mentions. "Ye shall keep my judgments, and do them,: or learn of God, and defy Satan.


message 7: by Robert (last edited Dec 03, 2017 11:02AM) (new)

Robert Mickey wrote: "Reading some of the messages I see no hope for mankind. The Gospels of St John, Matthew, and Mark are basically the rules, to live with God in His kingdom after we die, but the rants coincide with ..."

The problem is books. Abandon any hope in books! The New T is a collection of books. They are not your friend. The Old T is too arcane for us in our time. There are modern writings that are better (Scienceofthe soul.org) but you don't need them either. The Gospels are derived fiction, and this can be proven by simply comparing key verses pinched from the gnostic originals. Look at the last line, first paragraph of a gnostic passage on meditation in the Apocalypse of Peter: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apopet.html

See anything familiar? "As he [Jesus] was about to reprove you [Peter] three times in this night" is the ORIGINAL of the three denials of Christ BY Peter (it was inverted to demean Peter in the canon version). Three times, "in this night" are confirming details that this is related. The Gospel authors BORROWED their story from the gnostics, and rewrote it to hide James as 'Judas'. Look at the details in these allied writings where the "Betrayal of Christ" story was taken:
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/1ja.html
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/2ja.html
The Bible is not original material, or history! It is literature. Literature with a mission to disinform. Masters have been coming here all the time. www.rssb.org


message 8: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle What?! Nobody wants to flail these heretics with some proper biblical theology? (Except grouchy Robert).
I'm not in the mood. Hopefully somebody has the energy.
I actually find it kind of amusing and funny.


message 9: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Thanks Diane and Teresa. God bless your efforts.


message 10: by Mickey (new)

Mickey Mullen (mrmullenvcncom) | 632 comments 7 Robert you are right about Peter I have sent letters to preachers telling them Peter never did understand what Jesus was about. The Acts 2:38 proves that, but there are some church denominations that would die for that verse, the United Pentacostal Church is one of them.

Even the King James Bible of 1611 is a mess with verses that never came from God or Jesus the Son of God. BUT it is all we have and most of the scriptures did come from God. Jesus said that there would be a man that came on his own that the preachers would believe. St John 5:43 It is Paul and his disciples that they preach from most of the time, and Peter was the first Pope.

Salvation or redemption still is in the books of St John, Matthew, and Mark, and a person will know it when it happens to them. St Matthew 13:11 and 11:25 Jesus said that you must be born again an allegory, but Ezekiel 36:26-27 told it like it is or explained it in plain language. There are some Scriptures in the Old Testament that makes the Gospels wore understandable, and none from The Acts -Jude.


message 11: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "What?! Nobody wants to flail these heretics with some proper biblical theology? (Except grouchy Robert).
I'm not in the mood. Hopefully somebody has the energy.
I actually find it kind of amusing a..."


Appeal to authority.


message 12: by Chris (new)

Chris Queen | 75 comments Its absolute nonsense, how do you answer nonsense?


message 13: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Gnostic authority? Bahaha...


message 14: by Steve (new)

Steve | 113 comments The problem with gnostics is... they are gnostics... it's not possible to reason with them...


message 15: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "Its absolute nonsense, how do you answer nonsense?"

Chris wrote: "Its absolute nonsense, how do you answer nonsense?"


With a coherent argument, if you have one.


message 16: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "Gnostic authority? Bahaha..."

I prove that their version of the phony 'Betrayal of Jesus' is original, not the Gospel authors. I have nothing against Christians. I used to be one myself. I just learned a little more. You cannot accept the Gospels as Gospels. They are not 'inspired' - not by God, anyway. What is it about them that is so compelling? They are powerfully written. I noticed that when I was TEN. It took a while longer to realize that they are tendentious disinformation. The truth is far, far, far better!!!


message 17: by Robert (new)

Robert Steve wrote: "The problem with gnostics is... they are gnostics... it's not possible to reason with them..."

No, that would be Christians. You act like because you are, you just must be correct. You can't put together an argument that holds up. I know, for decades I have been debating about salvation. Jesus never said anything about DYING for anyone, much less for you or for me. On the contrary, whoever he was, he said (to his followers) that both Master and disciple need to be alive for a disciple to be saved. (John 6:36-40 and 9:4-5). Go see for yourself. But use the early Codex Sinaiticus translation. The one you've got (any of them) is wrong. The people who edited the manuscripts were not interested in anyone's salvation.


message 18: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle This is too much fun - anyone else want to have a go at it first? I'll wait.


message 19: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer | 3 comments I would suggest the book “How We Got the Bible” by Timothy Paul Jones.


message 20: by Robert (new)

Robert Jennifer wrote: "I would suggest the book “How We Got the Bible” by Timothy Paul Jones."

To whom? Reading the reviews I can see it is apologetics.


message 21: by Chris (new)

Chris Queen | 75 comments Robert wrote: "Chris wrote: "Its absolute nonsense, how do you answer nonsense?"

Chris wrote: "Its absolute nonsense, how do you answer nonsense?"


With a coherent argument, if you have one."
It's all in my book and I do not have time for his nonsense, Robert.


message 22: by Robert (new)

Robert "his" who? You quoted me. I'm Robert, Chris.


message 23: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris,
I'd be happy to explain how the verses you cite are mis-taken. I'm not here to be a wrecking ball. I used to be a Christian and have simply moved on. The reality is way better than the Church disinformation you have accepted. Seriously, I am on your side, not against you. It is very difficult to break through mistaken certainty, though.


message 24: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:12‬

“But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭13:5-7‬

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:42-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 25: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be..."


Chris wrote: "“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be..."


Sure, there are lots of verses about blood. Have you read what Dr. Robert Eisenman said about the Scrolls and Paul? http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Testame...
This is a massive work and essential for all Christians, along with his prior works:
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scroll...
and
http://www.amazon.com/James-Brother-J...


message 26: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬
This and John 3:16, and 14:6 and 12:32 are all misunderstood. The Greek is "Psuchen" and means life, soul or breath. It isn't a verse about the death of anyone. The Master gives Life to his disciples, not his death. I can prove it. A death ransom would be given FOR ALL, even if not accepted. This Master said it was "given for many", NOT all. John 3:16 is in PAST TENSE, so it isn't about Jesus. It is about the Spirit. The Spirit comes in many humans, not just one Master. John 14:6 is spoken in context of 14:7 which says "IF you had known me, you would have known the Father, now you know Him AND HAVE SEEN Him." The words of "the Way" were for those in attendance only and could SEE HIM, as John 6:40 clearly says (not in the NIV, however). ANd 12:32 is not about crucifixion, but as any mystic will tell you, is about meditation, and "raising up" consciousness.

So, you see, there is much more to this than you know. Don't be misled by A BOOK.



message 27: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle What do you prefer we be misled by?


message 28: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:17-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 29: by Tyrone (new)

Tyrone Wilson | 47 comments Great post, Diane.

Natural man cannot understand the meaning of these things because it takes spiritual discernment (1 Corinthians 2:14), which they do not have.


message 30: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "What do you prefer we be misled by?"

I prefer to understand what that book is and how it came to be what it is. For that, one has to read OUTSIDE of it. Christians that I know all refuse to do this, and therein lies their fatal mistake. No one was ever saved by following the instructions of Paul. (Romans 10)


message 31: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came fro..."

Why is it Christians always quote Paul and pseudepigraphica but never Jesus when arguing salvation? Is not Jesus and his words good enough? Maybe they don't work so well. One would think he would have made it as clear as can be that he offered his salvation to ALL people, including, somehow, those who DIED BEFORE HE LIVED, and all those who came after his death who would never know him personally. Since I don't see that anywhere in his words, I reject the notion that he can be my savior.


message 32: by Robert (new)

Robert Tyrone wrote: "Great post, Diane.

Natural man cannot understand the meaning of these things because it takes spiritual discernment (1 Corinthians 2:14), which they do not have."


I hear that verse a lot. It can be applied to anyone, including you.


message 33: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:12-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 34: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Robert, salvation and truth is hidden from many. Didn't you read Jesus' comments about that?

"Lest they turn and be saved."

"To you it has been given, but NOT to them."

God said, "I will send a famine on the land for the comprehension of My word. They will run to and fro and not find it."


message 35: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:10-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 36: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "Robert, salvation and truth is hidden from many. Didn't you read Jesus' comments about that?

"Lest they turn and be saved."

"To you it has been given, but NOT to them."

Rod, and he wasn't speaking TO YOU! Just like he was not speaking TO YOU in John 14:6-7. Christians ALWAYS cite John 14:6, but NEVER cite 14:7. Because 14:7, like 6:40, says "SEEN ME." When have YOU "seen" Jesus?



message 37: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receiv..."

What's your point? You misunderstand these verses if you think he is talking about himself. The "Name" ofthe only-begotten isn't "Jesus"! It's the Holy Spirit. That makes a BIG difference. He is ta;king about OTHER saviors: "WE speak that WE do know ...:" You think you know scripture because you "search" it. But you have not been given to understand it. The Church has played you big time. Just like Trump plays his supporters. You WANT to believe, so you are easy marks.


message 38: by Robert (new)

Robert This is all so simple, folks. You make it complex by trying to follow a convoluted doctrine of the man of Lying. That is what the Jamesian Christians at Qumran called Paul. He is the Spouter of Lying. He twisted the blood purity observances of the Jamesians into a salvation by blood ideology that has no basis in fact. It borrows loosely from the early Israelite law-observers and makes it into a new religion. Ecc. 1:9 says there is nothing NEW under the sun. And Hosea 6:6 says "I desire love not sacrifice" -- so where is there room for a sacrificed savior? It came from the gnostic concept of self-sacrifice -- the Gospel of Judas is about the sacrifice OF JUDAS, not Jesus!


message 39: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”


‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 40: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Robert, when we're done laughing at you (and feeling sorry for you), then we can begin a serious discussion. So far you've accomplished less than nothing. But do continue...


message 41: by Robert (last edited Dec 08, 2017 08:44PM) (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "Robert, when we're done laughing at you (and feeling sorry for you), then we can begin a serious discussion. So far you've accomplished less than nothing. But do continue..."

That's very CHRISTIAN of you, laughing at the poor devil. You know, Rod, I don't think you could understand the truth. You haven't so far. You deserve what you'll get, and it isn't up there. Good bye, loser.


message 42: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and brin..."

I'm sick of seeing your Bible here. I've got my own. RSV. It's all marked up too. You see, I know your book, and I know the ones that are going to bring it down in time. The Apocalypse of Peter, for example. You should read it sometime. The last line of the first paragraph should appeal to you, only in reverse. It's about a very specific eventuality in the life of a real disciple, with his real Master, not a fictional one, like Jesus. The authors here wrote the original, and the canonical authors ripped it off. But I prove the gnostics wrote the autograph of the Betrayal story it is part of, from evidence in the allied Apocalypses of James. Read those too. You will see the same reversal dynamic of the Kiss, "the flesh is weak", "armed multitudes seizing", Naked and "rising", and most telling of all, "Hail, BROTHER!" in place of "Hail, Master!" as in the Synoptics, showing it is original, and before the orthodox virgin birth nonsense. This is exactly the dynamic Dr. Eisenman found in the Scrolls and the Gospels' inversion of Jamesian teachings. Christianity is OVER. It is only a matter of time before the ruse is fully exposed in the media. Academics will be dragged in kicking and screaming, but will have no choice. The New Testament is a fraud!


message 43: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity .”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:10-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


message 44: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Thanks Chris.

Robert, you haven't even begun to undo the Biblical Old Testament: which validates the entire New Testament.

Gnostic belief is rather comical. Historically they achieved basically nothing. There are no gnostic hospitals or universities or even soup kitchens. Just a little wart on history.

The Virgin born Jesus of the entire Bible is still affecting the planet by the minute.
Maybe get your gods beliefs above the .001% and then we'll talk.


message 45: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Just curious Robert, are your gods going to send us to a specific hell of some sort? And they're clear about this HOW exactly?


message 46: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "Thanks Chris.

Robert, you haven't even begun to undo the Biblical Old Testament: which validates the entire New Testament.

Gnostic belief is rather comical. Historically they achieved basically ..."


Rod wrote: "Thanks Chris.

Robert, you haven't even begun to undo the Biblical Old Testament: which validates the entire New Testament.
Gnostic belief is rather comical. Historically they achieved basically ..."


You don't know Gnostic teaching. If you understood it you would see that gnostic teaching is THE SOURCE of religion. It isn't a religion at all but a philosophy and technique of conscious union with the Spirit. Religions like Christianity are self-concerned frauds that prey upon spiritual truth, rather than elucidate it. The Old T is beautiful mystic spirituality, much deeper than most everyone knows. The New T, by stark contrast, is an INVERSION and RIP OFF of it. It is EASY TO PROVE! If you do as I suggest you would see so yourself. The Apocalypses of James and Peter are the ORIGIN of the 'Betrayal" in all four Gospels. I count at least 24 details there that became overwritten AND INVERTED, like 'the Kiss', in the canon. One after another detail PROVES that the gnostic story is original. "The flesh is weak" even appears intact, word for word. "Stripped and rising naked" is the origin of Mark 14:51-52. "Someone else will replace you" is a spiritual dynamic, not a replacement of Judas by Matthais (Acts 1) in the Gospel of Judas. Matthais was UNKNOWN when the Gospel of Judas was first written, otherwise Matthais would be mentioned BY NAME there. Besides the fact that "Hail, BROTHER!" was changed in Mark to "Hail, MASTER!" to accommodate virgin birth, no gnostic would ever dream of borrowing from an orthodox story OF HUMAN SACRIFICE. The Gospel of Judas rails against it in the most extreme language available. So, before judging, do your homework as I have and see that your assertions on primacy and the story of blood salvation is completely false.

I don't "undo" Judaic scripture. I honor it. Validation of the New T does not spring from meticulously culling Tanak texts and then writing a new narrative at complete odds with the original. (Isaiah 53 is NOT about the Messiah, but the body of believers, "Israel." And 7:14 "virgin" is NOT about Jesus, but another period character further explained in chapter 8.) Please read some real analysis instead of a constant diet of apologetics.

And Masters always say that true Masters and true devotees are as rare as swans. If only 0.00001% I would consider it an honor to be a part.


message 47: by Robert (new)

Robert Rod wrote: "Just curious Robert, are your gods going to send us to a specific hell of some sort? And they're clear about this HOW exactly?"

I never said where you were going. Just where I knew you weren't.


message 48: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”


‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:21-26‬


message 49: by Robert (new)

Robert Chris wrote: "“Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he i..."

Chris wrote: "“Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he i..."

Chris wrote: "“Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. And he i..."

That's about JAMES THE JUST, not Jesus! Read Dr. Eisenman! He's a Jew. He should know. Read Hyam Maccoby, if you don't like scholars like Eisenman. Study something else. The Bible is ruining your brain.


message 50: by Chris (new)

Chris Hunnicutt | 13 comments “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
http://bible.com/1/heb.4.12.kjv


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