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message 1: by Judy (new)

Judy (wwwgoodreadscomprofilejudyg) | 4838 comments Mod
There's been some discussion of Iris Murdoch in the thread for the buddy read of The Angry Years, so here is a thread to discuss her work.

Iris Murdoch

So far, 3 of us have expressed an interest in a buddy read of her novel The Bell - would anyone else like to join in?


message 2: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14156 comments Mod
I haven't had much reading time and I a bit (!) behind at the moment, Judy. I will join in if I can, as I've never read anything by her.


message 3: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
I am (as ever) game for the caper


message 4: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14156 comments Mod
Just out of interest, when are thinking of reading The Bell?


message 5: by Nigeyb (last edited Feb 17, 2018 03:23AM) (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
How about April 2018?


Here's how the schedule currently looks....

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I must say it sounds most interesting....

The Bell by Iris Murdoch

A lay community of thoroughly mixed-up people is encamped outside Imber Abbey, home of an enclosed order of nuns. A new bell, legendary symbol of religion and magic, is rediscovered. Dora Greenfield, erring wife, returns to her husband. Michael Mead, leader of the community, is confronted by Nick Fawley, with whom he had disastrous homosexual relations, while the wise old Abbess watches and prays and exercises discreet authority. And everyone, or almost everyone, hopes to be saved, whatever that may mean...Iris Murdoch's funny and sad novel is about religion, the fight between good and evil, and the terrible accidents of human frailty.




message 6: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14156 comments Mod
It does look interesting. I will do my best to fit it in.


message 7: by Hugh (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 788 comments The Bell was my first Murdoch and was so long ago that I ought to reread it. I have read lots of her novels...


message 8: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
OK then - April 2018 it is


Hoping you will join in too for our buddy read The Bell by Iris Murdoch in mid April 2018


message 9: by Val (last edited Mar 13, 2018 12:48AM) (new)

Val | 1707 comments I will be reading it again.
Vintage reprinted a lot of Murdoch's novels in the early 2000s, which is when I read most of them. The others were twenty years before that.


message 10: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
I love Vintage books Val. Almost always a guarantee of quality - and usually with lovely covers too.


I'm very excited about my first foray into the literary world of Murdoch. I hope I haven't set my expectations too high.


message 11: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
Wonderful news Manda - see you there


message 12: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
I've just been searching for lists of the best books by Iris Murdoch and came across this one....


https://www.ranker.com/list/best-iris...

Current buddy read The Bell is at number 4, with the number 1 slot taken by....

A Word Child



Anyone read it?

Or indeed have any other comments on the rankings, or the titles included?


message 13: by Hugh (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 788 comments Yes, I have read it, but I don't remember it very well. I would really struggle to rank all of the 16 I have read!

I did like The Black Prince, The Sea, the Sea and The Unicorn. The only one I really didn't get on with was Bruno's Dream.


message 14: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
Thanks Hugh - that's very helpful


message 15: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14156 comments Mod
I looked at some titles by her and thought, The Sea, the Sea looked interesting. I never noticed, "A Word Child," but, as the Michael part of "The Bell," was so well written, I think it has obvious potential.


message 16: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
Thanks Susan. I'll keep you posted. I plan to read more books by her.


message 17: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "One of our members (sorry, I cannot remember who) said the earlier books were more realistic, so there seems to be a difference in her early, and later, writing. Perhaps someone can enlighten us."

Here's Miles Kington, in 2002, being very dismissive of Iris's work....

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...

....it seems that the backlash against Iris Murdoch, as a writer, is under way at last.

It couldn't come too soon for me. I started having deep reservations about her work as soon as I met it. Not from the very start, actually, as I read her first novel first, Under The Net, and enjoyed that. I can't remember anything about it now, except that it seemed quite sparky and was dedicated by Murdoch to Raymond Queneau. That was a huge plus for me, because the quirky, oblique, playful Queneau was, and still is, one of my favourite writers, so I thought that anyone who dedicated a book to him must be all right.

I never enjoyed a book of hers again......



message 18: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15802 comments Mod
These IM quotes certainly resonate with me....


Far from viewing fiction as another and lesser way of dealing with philosophical questions, Iris Murdoch argued that literature was meant ''to be grasped by enjoyment,'' and that the art of the tale was ''a fundamental form of thought'' in its own right.

The ideal reader, she told one interviewer, was ''someone who likes a jolly good yarn and enjoys thinking about the book as well, about the moral issues.'

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytim...



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