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I really liked the book when I read it a couple of years ago. I do wonder though in retrospect if at least some of the more negative teachers are just a bit too stereotypically bad. More later after rereading.
And the same goes for the psychiatrists (the psychiatrist who suggests that Melody be placed in an institution and forgotten by her parents, that sounds more akin to how individuals with CP and the like were approached in the 40s, 50s and 60s and I do at times wonder at the actual time period that Out of My Mind is supposed to be set in, as it does, my enjoyment of Melody's voice notwithstanding, seem as though Draper has combined contemporary and not so contemporary scenarios to leave a story that feels both modern and oddly strangely dated).
And the same goes for the psychiatrists (the psychiatrist who suggests that Melody be placed in an institution and forgotten by her parents, that sounds more akin to how individuals with CP and the like were approached in the 40s, 50s and 60s and I do at times wonder at the actual time period that Out of My Mind is supposed to be set in, as it does, my enjoyment of Melody's voice notwithstanding, seem as though Draper has combined contemporary and not so contemporary scenarios to leave a story that feels both modern and oddly strangely dated).
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Perhaps to add some real life context, I wonder if anyone has seen the Youtube and facebook videos from Special Books for Special Kids (SBSK). Chris, a former special education teacher, travels the world and interviews people who are living with differences and in many cases rare disorders that are not widely understood. Chris's videos and interviews are thoughtful and kind and allow each person to share their story in their own way.
I found my opinion of the book was different after watching some of the interviews with people living with similar situations as Melody.
Keen to hear other readers' thoughts.
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Rachel wrote: "Manybooks, I agree with many of your misgivings. The ending, especially, bothered me as it just seems so random and jarring. The sad fact is, at least in the US system where I taught, I have heard ..."
The ending just feels so tacked on, as though the author simply wanted some extra "excitement" (and yes I do agree that there are likely many teachers who completely misunderstand students with challenges, although I still think that Sharon M. Draper has too many either shining or black as pitch teachers).
The ending just feels so tacked on, as though the author simply wanted some extra "excitement" (and yes I do agree that there are likely many teachers who completely misunderstand students with challenges, although I still think that Sharon M. Draper has too many either shining or black as pitch teachers).
Rachel wrote: "Manybooks, I agree with many of your misgivings. The ending, especially, bothered me as it just seems so random and jarring. The sad fact is, at least in the US system where I taught, I have heard ..."
I will have to check out these videos. Just curious, did your opinion of the book become more positive or more negative after watching the interviews featuring students in a similar situation as Melody?
I will have to check out these videos. Just curious, did your opinion of the book become more positive or more negative after watching the interviews featuring students in a similar situation as Melody?

Amy wrote: "I actually really enjoyed this book as I appreciated Melody being written as a strong and mentally independent character instead of a pity inducing victim. I didn’t feel like the ending was tacked ..."
On the other hand, I have actually had teachers who were as wishy washy as Mr. Dimminger.
On the other hand, I have actually had teachers who were as wishy washy as Mr. Dimminger.

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Amy wrote: "Yes, I got to thinking about that, too. I suppose he could be wishy washy like that, but I question if it would have been a stronger book if he was consistently written one way or the other. I was ..."
Yes, that sure would have been nice, but Mr. Dimminger really and obviously was not that kind of a person and in fact, actually condoned and perhaps even kind of encouraged the bullies (for in my opinion, Mr. Dimminger is aside from Claire and Molly, the one person in Melody's "integration" class who is the most negative or at least the most potentially negative, and he likely was also more than happy to leave Melody behind). I mean, at least Rose had the grace to feel guilty and cry about what she did, about what happened at the airport. Sure, Mr. Dimminger might have publicly proclaimed that he had underestimated Melody, but I really do think he actually was still rather ashamed of Melody's physical challenges, and I also believe that Mr. Dimminger actually even right to the end did not really consider Melody as an acceptable quiz show candidate, for if he had, he would not have permitted Melody to be left behind, he would have made sure that she was contacted even if the students did not want her there.
Yes, that sure would have been nice, but Mr. Dimminger really and obviously was not that kind of a person and in fact, actually condoned and perhaps even kind of encouraged the bullies (for in my opinion, Mr. Dimminger is aside from Claire and Molly, the one person in Melody's "integration" class who is the most negative or at least the most potentially negative, and he likely was also more than happy to leave Melody behind). I mean, at least Rose had the grace to feel guilty and cry about what she did, about what happened at the airport. Sure, Mr. Dimminger might have publicly proclaimed that he had underestimated Melody, but I really do think he actually was still rather ashamed of Melody's physical challenges, and I also believe that Mr. Dimminger actually even right to the end did not really consider Melody as an acceptable quiz show candidate, for if he had, he would not have permitted Melody to be left behind, he would have made sure that she was contacted even if the students did not want her there.
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In retrospect, it was great when Melody got ELVIRA, her "talking" computer and told her parents that she loved them. However, considering that prior to ELVIRA, Melody had a pretty extensive word board that she could point to, why was the expression "I love you" not on said board? Or since Melody has a liking for fast food, why was there not the words for hamburgers, fries, milkshakes and such on the board, as that would have allowed her to point to this when she wanted to go out and get a hamburger and could not make her father understand?

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Amy wrote: "All of those are really strong and astute points. I, too, questioned whether or not Melody had “I love you” on her board as well as fast food items. Maybe it was simply a case if not having enough ..."
I agree that actually hearing the computer speak is of course different for Melody's parents than just reading the words.
I agree that actually hearing the computer speak is of course different for Melody's parents than just reading the words.

As to the ending I didn’t think it was tacked on, as some have mentioned. I thought it was important to show the frustration of not being able to communicate when the stakes are high. It’s not just not being unable to say when you have a craving for a burger - it’s being unable to articulate at urgent times that shows how intensely frustrating a condition like CP is.
Also Special Ed or SAI teachers are usually amazing people but like any group of teachers there are always some in the mix who underestimate kids and think talking down to them is necessary. I didn’t find it unrealistic, after all even the “good” teacher had the kids watching Tom and Jerry for hours on end, occasionally. I did think Ms. V was rather saintlike and that Melody had an emotional maturity that seemed a little unbelievable for any 10 year old, particularly one that had limited communication abilities in her early years. That said it was a good read and most importantly enjoyable to the target reading group. The title is on my sons’s 6th grade summer reading list.