Rothfussians discussion

How is Rothfuss gonna tie up EVERYTHING in just one more book? Also who thinks the book is going to continue after Kvothe finishes his story. He still hasn't defeated the chandrian. And the way the story has been going so far seems to lean on the fact that in the end kvothe is going to hang up his apron and accept who he really is. If the series ends with Kvothes tale then I will be seriously disappointed.

Sorry completely messed up the title. My mind went blank and I just guessed. And I have no Idea how to edit it :/

Yes, there are alot of loose ends to tie up in 'The Doors of stone'. This trilogy is based around 3 days of storytelling. Rothfuss has said he plans to write more stories based in 'the world'. It will depend what happens on day 3 when Kvothe has completed the telling of his story..and if whomever he is waiting for to kill him appears...plus a hundred and one other loose ends we all want answers for! ;-)

Honestly, I don't think he'll tie it all up in three books. He'll bring us up to speed in 3 books, but there will have to be at least 1 more if he plans to resolve the current events of the world.

See that's what I thought. Or I should say I hope he will do that. My brother thinks he will write another trilogy about Kvothe killing the Chandrian. But then we don't know how Kvothes history is going to end. He might not be able to go after the Chandrian.

Hannah wrote: "See that's what I thought. Or I should say I hope he will do that. My brother thinks he will write another trilogy about Kvothe killing the Chandrian. But then we don't know how Kvothes history is ..."

Rothfuss has said that he will wrap everything up in Day 3. He will continue to write in that world but Kvothe's story ends with Day 3.

I agree with Manda. Pat has said multiple times that Kvothe's story ends in day 3.

I think a lot of people get confused though and think that means they're going to get the answers to every loose end and question. You'll get the conclusion to Kvothe's story. That does not equate to the conclusion of everything that ever happened in the Four Corners, likely we will all still wonder about certain characters and certain small arcs and will have to wait and see what comes out later.

Pat has already added a short installment from Bast, that is interesting, and we'll be seeing some extra from Auri before the year is out. So we will definitely still be getting things from his world, and honestly, I think he can tie up a lot of loose ends without involving Kvothe at all.

I honestly don't know how we can even get the end of Kvothe's story. Pat's not exactly an economic writer, and an entire book that is presumably at LEAST as large as the other two would barely get us up to how he came in possession of the Waystone, let alone what will happen after that when Chronicler goes on his merry way. There's just too much to cover in between. The circumstances that eventually get him expelled, how Caesura presumably goes back to the Adem, where he went after, how he met Bast, when he first encountered the Scrael. These are all part of Kvothe's PAST which is really all these novels have covered thus far, let alone his future.

At the end of the day authors say a lot of things about how long they plan to take to tell a story and often go over that. A Song of Ice and Fire was originally supposed to be a trilogy, then a quintet. Now we know it's going to be a septet. I'm not saying the Kingkiller Chronicles would go on that long, there's a hell of a lot of ground to cover if we're really at the end, and I don't see how he's going to do it.

In my opinion, we might not get all that information. How he met Bast could easily be covered in another story, it may not pertain to the story of Kvothe to Kote. How he came into posession of the Waystone isn't necessarily important. We know he has it, that's all that seems to matter up until now.
There could easily be nothing to tell after Chronicler goes on his merry way, Kote seems pretty smitten to fade into obscurity, I know it's the hope that he snaps out of it, and becomes badass Kvothe again, but who knows if that really happens. This may not be that kind of story.

A lot of those things could easily be covered by future stories involving other characters as the primary. I don't think Pat means we'll never hear of, or "see" Kote/Kvothe again, I mean obviously he was featured in small part in Rogues, and will likely play some part in Slow Regard. However, the main story, covering Kvothe, Denna, and the Chandrian is what I assume he will close up. I wouldn't hold out for too much information on things that happen within the frame story, that frame story was never the story Pat intended to tell. It works well, but it may not have a solid conclusion for all those characters, especially considering it's the "modern" timeline and he may wish to play around with it more as he goes forward as a writer.

I mean, obviously I can't say for sure, but when he says Kvothe's story is over after Day 3, I assume he means that he simply won't be writing another trilogy focused on Kote/Kvothe as the primary character, not that he'll never play a role again. He's a world known legend, he'll always have some part to play, but a lot of the side stuff, like scrael and fae and history can be covered by new or other characters and Pat's made it pretty clear he has intentions of writing more stuff in this Universe.

Am I completely out of line if I think it would be very Pat-like to say that Kvothe's story ends at the end of book three (duh), but then the next bit of storytelling is about the story of Kote. How he has to remember everything, how he has to finish his mission of meeting the Amyr or destroying the Chandrian.

I just think it would be very much like him to throw a small wrench in our plans like that.

It would be very hard, for me at least, to see someone else finish out what Kvothe set out to do. Even if Bast is the the next focus, since that would make a clean and sensible transition - master to student - I just wouldn't feel the same sense of accomplishment as I would had Kvothe done it.

But that also makes me think that if there is a logical next character to focus on it would be Bast. We already know him, he has ties to Kvothe so you can keep him in the books, or maybe (all speculation, of course) it's a revenge plot (part deux!) as Kvothe does not make it to the end of book three.

My hope is more along the lines that he will do what Anthony Ryan did with his Ravens shadow novels. That he will continue on with the story of Kvothe and maybe even with chronicler pointing out the things that dont add up in his story (There are a few things that Kvothe says that are logically flawed in the frame of the story that he doesnt seem to realise)
And so continues the story of Kvothe (maybe he will also take on a new name, since names are important)

I'm of two minds of this. One is Pat has sad multiple times that it is not a happy ending so it could easily end without wrapping everything up and Kvothe could be gone forever (read that how you will)

But part of me also knows that Pat loves words and to play with words. He has said Kvothe's STORY is going to end in day three. Story meaning the one he's telling Chronicler not story as in what Pat is writing. So in Day three i'm hoping he will finish the story he's spinning for Chronicaler and then we will get to see what happens when the story is finished.

also i realize that i used the word 'story' way too many times in that whole thing but hopefully y'all are picking up what i'm putting down

As happens alot in Fantasy, the main character could choose another name and his story continue. Kote is the name of a tavern keeper- not a bad ass sympathist magician. The name of Kvothe could be allowed to stay as a legend- yet the man himself be reborn with a new name. I think the scrael/demons etc all came from behind the doors of stone. Whatever Rothfuss unleashes in book 3 will be pretty damn mighty. Like everyone I hope the story of Kvothe does not end with day 3.

I don't get that feeling from Pat. I think he wants to put the story of Kvothe to bed in Book 3. Pat often takes us for rides and by surprise, I don't have too much trouble believing it will all end in Book 3. Hell, the content in books one and two is a lot, but it's the odd sentences that we fans have put together to make a history of some of the 4C.

I think book 3 will end it. But like Amber, Kvothe/Kote might appear as a passing character in other books.

No story ends until there's someone to tell it yet again. Good stories outlive the persons who have created them. Both Path and Kvothe know that very well.
I hope Kvothe gets a chance to live happily ever after, even if this one story is a tragic one.

Brandon wrote: "I honestly don't know how we can even get the end of Kvothe's story. Pat's not exactly an economic writer, and an entire book that is presumably at LEAST as large as the other two would barely get ..."

First of all, this book is obviously going to be very long. Either that or right now he's struggling and trying to figure out how to shorten or split it. If you remember, he said that book two was going to be about the same length as book 1. Now he's saying book 3 will be the same length as book 2. My guess is that the original manuscript will be well over 500k words. Anyway, I also don't think we'll see Kvothe hang up his apron, or try in any way to do something after he finishes his story. Here's why: Rothfuss originally wrote this series as one big book, with NO FRAME STORY. So I doubt he's going to give us a several hundred page ending (which it would need to be at least) that wasn't even thought of in the original "Big Book." Honestly though, I don't know if I care. I love his series, and I think that it would be a very appropriate ending. Pat's a great writer, and although his story follows many typical coming-of-age themes, it is anything but a typical coming-of-age story, so I doubt it will have one's ending.

I don't think book three will be the end of the story, but I do think it will be the end of Kvothe being the main protagonist. I have wondered a lot who would be the next protagonist once the story continues. Do you think Pat will create a new set of characters or will Bast be a protagonist? I quite liked the Lightning Tree and wouldn't mind seeing more stories with Bast as the protagonist.

I think all of the current characters will be in it, plus some more. A war might be a bit too vast to tell with only one POV. But hey, if anyone can do it, it's Pat.

LMAO...he has surpassed one year intervals, I think that might be a little old.

I'm betting Doors of Stone will come out 2015, but there is still no guarantee. It is in editing though, so it's written for the most part. I believe it has gone to beta even, but that could be a mistake. I know he had a chance to win a beta read for SROST and I think he mentioned if you were particularly useful or something he might include you in the DOS beta....

Anywho @Michael you are pretty much right. He's going to be done with Kvothe as POV but he is still going to keep writing in this world, as we've seen with SROST. So inevitably Kvothe may come up. I'd also love more Bast POV though, I think he is hilarious.

When he said the next two books would be released in one year intervals... Did he mean Wise Man's Fear and Doors of Stone? Or did he mean the books after Doors of Stone?

He meant WMF and DOS, that interview was done in 2007, that is the year he published NOTW.

The information is not accurate...clearly, LOL.

Well, his website hasn't really been updated in a long while, outside the blog of course. He's mentioned he has intentions to do that, but it hasn't happened yet. Outside that, there is other information in the interview, just the one part is inaccurate, so that may be why he keeps it up.

There is no current schedule for the release of DOS, though he has said he is hoping to get it out by 2015. I think that's pretty likely, he's posted a picture of the manuscript and we know it's gone to his editor at least once. So it's not like a never going to happen thing. He's definitely working on it. Enough so that he's been able to work on these other stories, he published three Temerant stories this year alone, so there's that. LOL.

It won't be 2015. he said that early last year, iirc. During the tour for TSRoST he reaffirmed that, saying would take "at least a year and change: to get it ready for publication." 2016 is possible, but 2017 is more likely.

Yes, the last thing I seen on it was the Triangulation interview, which is pretty old now. Can't remember is that was last year or this year...to lazy to check. LOL. Whatever he said during the tour is definitely more up to date. Nice to know that though.

Hopefully we'll get a couple more of these little short stories while we wait, I've been enjoying them. Plus I think I'll be really sad and bored when the story of Kvothe is over and I have nothing to muse about in my spare time. LOL

An Elodin story would be great. I think he has enough potential for a book.

I agree I'd love an Elodin installment, though that does have the potential to be just as different depending on what part of Elodin's life we got a glimpse of.

I haven't finish Slow Regard yet, but I like it so far. We do get a bit of information, we can at least stop theorizing so many weird things about Auri's light and we get to experience the Underthing. Plus from what I've managed to read I think some of the more outlandish theories about Auri can be put to bed. (view spoiler)[ seems pretty obvious to me she is a cracked namer at this point and I'm barely at the half way mark of the novel (hide spoiler)]

You do the spoiler tag like this (without the spaces)

< spoiler > type whatever is a spoiler here < / spoiler >

I get what you mean about wanting the story of how Auri got to where she was. I'd like that too, it'd probably answer a lot more questions about her, but at the same time, it might be to direct for Rothfuss' style. He seems to like to toy with us a bit and make us figure things out ourselves.

In case Patrick reads this, I'd also cast a vote for a book on Elodin. Master Namer has to have some great stories left to be told.

But does Slow Regard cut off common theories like Auri being princess Ariel? Former noble blood with somewhat conections to the Ciridae/Amyr somehow? I'm just at the beginning of the book.

For the future talk, I'm definitely for a second trilogy. Why? It just feels right, it just makes sense. Kote doesn't seem to ever have understood Denna, he doesn't seem to know he has Lackless blood (we can assume that at this point, right?), he doesn't seem to have ever visited the Tahl, he doesn't seem to have ever met Cthaeh (after being shown a Lockless box with the same wood of his tree) or even Felurian again, I don't think he discovered all secret things like what's inside the Lockless box or behind the Valaritas door, or about Denna's hair knots if they do hold magic, he doesn't even look like he ever met the Amyr.
My 2 cents on Book 3 is that it will probably hold the story of how he fucked up in the University (probably Auri, Ambrose and/or forbidden magic involved), the killing of the king (Maer's betrayal), maybe some traveling to the Fae (seeing Felurian again or not) where he meets Bast and then a big reckless move decision (Denna involved) where he fucks up the world and liberates some Fae monsters into the Mortal world (killing Cinder is my bet, perhaps Tehlu). That will be it, or even less. Considering all that happened in book 2, there doesn't seem to have space for anything else. No secret uncovering or going back, just straight telling what happened with his life.

In the end, Kote just seems to be a guy in the middle of his story, with many things stills bound to happen or be uncovered. Knowing more secrets about the past (not all of course), about the angels that seem to have saved him 3 times in the series, about Skarpi, knowing the truth about and reconciliating with Denna (if she didn't die as some think), confront with Maer or Chandrian, opening the Lockless door etc etc. I have this pretty clear feeling Kote has a incomplete story, that it would be continued with Bast and Chronicler beside him. I'm not saying we will continue to have a first person Kvothe's story, but at least a third person narrative giving that whole story a true conclusion. And there was, after all, that very early NoTW book review. Take it with a grain of salt, but it happened.

What goes against that? Rothfuss talking that he was considering taking a writing vacation after book 3 to stay with his kids and/or focusing on other stories (then a second trilogy would only happen maaany years after this one) and a comment in his facebook of a guy saying he was his student and that Rothfuss was considering continuing the story from the Frame (it wouldn't be a planned story, then). And before anyone mentions it, I'm well aware of how Rothfuss constantly says that the story will be three books long and that's it, and that Rothfuss plans on doing more stories about the world (there are many aspects and different stories of this world that we won't and don't need to learn through Kvothe's). I do think book 3 will have a true and sad end and no signal of a continuation whatsoever.

Sorry for the long post, but does anyone else also think this way? We all wonder, as we finish Book 2, if Book 3 will be enough to close the story, but I just think not many of the things we expect will actually happen in book 3. It'll give closure to Kote's backstory and how he went to where he is now, but not to some hinted bigger story.

For the record, I really don't think DoS will come out before 2017, book 2 wasn't as important and took long enough, and he had two kids and a charity campaign since then. And he does think about writing a book about Elodin and Denna in the future.

Jeremy wrote: "Brandon wrote: "I honestly don't know how we can even get the end of Kvothe's story. Pat's not exactly an economic writer, and an entire book that is presumably at LEAST as large as the other two w..."

You're point about the frame story not being included in the original draft is interesting. However, in my opinion, that's exactly why the next books WILL be about Kote/Kvothe. Think from an authors perspective: Why set up a frame story that raises more questions and creates more loose ends when you already have a neat and tidy story? Why go through the effort of creating new characters and complications which seem to be the very cause for the release delays?

The only good explanation, I think, is because it's a stepping stone into the next series/trilogy/whatever. It all makes a lot more sense if KKC is all backstory or "prologue" if you will (Pat himself made a joke about writing a whole trilogy as prologue) which ends with Kote realizing he can't leave the world of the frame story in such turmoil, and starts a new adventure.

As for who will be the main character of the next series, it's uncertain, but I'd be surprised if it's anyone but Kote/Kvothe. It can't be Chronicler as he reeks of side kick material and shows no greater development in the frame story. Bast has more development but again, all he does in the framestory is try and turn his Reshi into who he once was. There's all this carefully crafted and building momentum pushing Kote to become Kvothe once more (hell, that's what the entire frame story of WMF was about) for Pat to simply drop it and start up something/someone new.

I think that in The Doors of Stone Kvothe's present story (the one in wich he is telling Chronicler his life) and the one he has lived in the past, are going to tie up together, personally I think that would be great bECAUSE WE WANT SOME PRESENT KVOTHE DON'T WE. I also want to see some old apparences as Felurian (I really hope she makes her way into the story again *crossing fingers*).

I think there will be no more Kvothe stories after book 3 because there will be no more Kvothe. I think he will either die or something similarly terminal will happen to him.

I'm wondering if he's unleased whatever's behind the doors of stone and the Waystone Inn is a trap for whatever emerged (a new door of stone, if you will). The end result being that the world is saved from whatever is ravaging it, but Kvothe is sealed away with it.

Either that, or after saving the world, he marches back into Fae to keep his promise to Felurian, submitting to that fate.

Pat has stated that these three will be the only Kvothe books (if memory serves) so something's going to happen to make that so. Unless it was all misdirection and he just ends up with a new name for subsequent books.

So, speculation is book 3 will come out in 2017, about 2 yrs from now? No announcement for child #3? Not that I don't want him to produce more kids: smart people should definitely continue bringing smart people into the world (I'm not racist or being uppity, just a little worried it'll delay or own satisfaction/curiosity fulfillment ;) )...

I've decided I'll buy but not read unfinished series anymore. It bothers my psyche. I'm getting older... I don't want my last words to be: but... Kvothe! But Game of Thrones!

Four Corners of Civilization: Their Element, Magic, True Signs of Royalty, and Locations.

Wind in the Northeast : Masters of Wind/Mind – Holly Crown/White Riders : Ademre & Modeg
Fire in the Southeast : Masters of Fire/Sun – Green & Gold Eyes : Vintas & Small Kingdoms
Water in the Southwest : Masters of Water/Emotion – Blue Eyes : Yll & Commonwealth
Earth in the Northeast : Masters of Earth/Nature – Ash and Elm : Ceald and Atur

He doesn't have to tie up everything. That's what Pat does best. We didn't get Kvothe's trial or the circumstances of the ship wreck in TWMF. But the story went on. I know we'll get a resolution to the Chandrian, to Ambrose and to what's behind those doors...I'm guessing he'll find his magic/music again and there will be a part that occurs in the present. I sure would like to meet The Hammer again...but.

I am very curious as to which door of stone will be THE Door of Stone. Will it be the one under the University, or will it be the one on Barrow Hill? I am leaning towards Barrow Hill, as it was where the vase with the pictures of the Chandrian was located.
I feel I am missing another stone door somewhere, but I can't say for sure.
All I know is that I feel there are too many questions to be wrapped up neatly in one last book.

Actually, about the above comment..

After re-reading the name of the next book, it could be BOTH of them.

My apologies. As you were.

William, don't forget the door of stone on the Lackless property. I'm guessing the door in the archives leads to a secret archive that holds much of the information on the Amyr and the Seven that Kvothe has been unable to find.

William, don't forget the door of stone on the Lackless property. I'm guessing the door in the archives leads to a secret archive that holds much of the information on the Amyr and the Seven that Kvothe has been unable to find.

I agree with the Waystone trap theory. I have a feeling Kvothe/Kote is using the telling of the story to chronicler to lure the Chandrian in for a final showdown in the pub like they were drawn to the campfire after Arliden's song about them. This would offer a way for the two stories to be brought together with a satisfactory conclusion without the need for further Kvothe books.

That leaves Pat free to write the Elodin trilogy.

So Theres Encanis who runs away from Tehlu with his green masked lady during the midwinter pageantry that is supposed to parrellel the event.. However, Encanis is the one to help Kvothe while a guardsmen who is helping Tehlu is the one who beat Kvothe. I think Pat is trying to hint that the empire and the church were in Kahoots.

If encanis is the Lanre(which he is) and the lady is the lackless then Tehlu would be the predestination extremist trying to put a stop to the leader of the Edema Ruh, Encanis/Lanre who is a Free will extremist. Thus this holy war that is going on is really a fight between destiny and free will.

Personally, I am very attached to Kvothe. Pat could write his story forever and I wouldn't get tired of reading about him. I'm just not that interested in his other characters. It's Pat's storytelling that envelops me.

Too bad he can't back away from the Trilogy thing and just write Kvothe's story in books that are released once a year. That would be awesome.

Hey all, first post here. I am currently reading the second book but have an odd obsession of this book. I think it would be very cool/funny if this ends Kvothe's trilogy but then Pat writes another trilogy of Bast or 'Kote'. The trilogy starting at the end of the telling of day 3 but focuses on the current time but from a different perspective.

But I do agree with some of the previous posts. I have a hard time thinking that he will answer ALL unanswered questions. I think it is definitely a possibility to answer them in different novels. I would read every book he publishes ever, especially if it is in this world. Unless it is a trilogy about Ambrose, then I will pass.... (But still probably read it just because he is a great author!)

I think from a stand point of an author who has such a great following and review, it would be beneficial to leave some unanswered questions (as much as we would all hate it) Because then he can answer them in other books.

I JUST PRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that he doesn't try to answer the questions in the TV series/Movies/Video Games. I would like all the questions to be answered in a novel form which can then later be found in those other medias.

This was fun, I look forward to making more comments!

So with my obsession of browsing the internet for all things third book. I came across some things on this internet (so they must be true) that stated he wrote The Kingkiller Chronicles as one whole story, but that was TOO long to be a book so Pat broke it up into 3 days. So "rumor" has it, it is already written just going through a crazy amount of editing until Pat thinks it is the best it could be. I wish I could find where I read this to quote, but I did also read that the third book will be shorter than the second book.

I follow almost everything about pat that is on the internet(blogs, vids,interviews, anything..) sort of like "ready player one" in hopes to figure out the secret that is book 3.. and what ive learned and observed is that pat likes to take small pieces of a thing he loved from books or movies hes read or watched and put his own twist on it into kvothes world.. for example, "seven worlds to make a person fall in love with you" is very similar to something he remembered reading or hearing about and loved it so he put it in and made it a big part in k and ds relationship. Anyway, if you follow him on hear he has been reviewing books this past year more than ever.. so i came to the conclusion that he is 95 % done writing(not even at the review stage) and has just been looking for the small things he could put in like the 7 worlds cupid thing that would make it a masterpiece that will put him over the fame list of tolkien, pratchet, martin, ect..

Here* fuck autocorrect

He supposedly had the whole series written and finished before book one was published.

Just an arcticle about the Progress of book 3: http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.ae/201...

Fuck sake... He should be taking notes from Brandon Sanderson not GRRM.