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Loren This book had a lot of hidden connections and scenes, kind of like a puzzle. It was confusing and hard to understand, yes; but if you really think, there was a lot more to the plot of this book than meets the eye. What hidden symbols, themes, and scene connections did you see and make?


Loren For example, Clarisse- Montag's neighbor- was killed by a fast car, and at the same time, Mildred, Montag's wife, loved driving her car very fast and even explained how sometimes you hit small animals and deer, and do not even feel it because you are going SO fast.

If you connect the dots, you will realize that Mildred hit and killed Clarisse with her car, a lot of people do not realize this occurred and simply think of it as two separate events, but they are connected just like everything else in this book.


Mary regarding censorship there is a lot of symbolism


Loren Indeed, but care to elaborate?


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Alp Mortal nothing will endure beyond our capacity to remember it


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Rida I must read this book soon....very soon.


Daniel Raom I read this book 4 years ago. Whilst reading the book, I related Montag and Faber to real companies. Montague is a relatively old company that manufactures ovens and kitchen hardware. Faber-Castell is a big manufacturer of pens and other office supplies. My point is: did the author intend to relate the name Montag to fire (since he is a fireman) and the name Faber to books and writing? Two may be a coincidence, but three is a pattern. I've always wondered if 'McClellan" (from Clarisse McClellan) doesn't relate to a real company as well.


Christine What stuck with me was the idea that the society got more violent as people read less. (Maybe not really subliminal, but a strong message.)


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Loren wrote: "For example, Clarisse- Montag's neighbor- was killed by a fast car, and at the same time, Mildred, Montag's wife, loved driving her car very fast and even explained how sometimes you hit small anim..."

A little while after we hear of Clarisse's disappearance, the fire chief, Beatty, informs Montag that they received reports on Clarisse's family. I think the firemen stormed in one day and dealt with the entire family - permanently. As for Mildred's explanation, that was a lie she let herself believe rather than accepting the terrible truth of the society in which she lived. Anyway, that's my take on it all.


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Daniel wrote: "I read this book 4 years ago. Whilst reading the book, I related Montag and Faber to real companies. Montague is a relatively old company that manufactures ovens and kitchen hardware. Faber-Castell..."

Interesting observation. I think Bradbury wrote the manuscript in 1954 (give or take). Were those companies around back then? Was there another company that could have been the model for captain Beatty?


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Suzy Theisen Loren wrote: "For example, Clarisse- Montag's neighbor- was killed by a fast car, and at the same time, Mildred, Montag's wife, loved driving her car very fast and even explained how sometimes you hit small anim..."

Loren wrote: "This book had a lot of hidden connections and scenes, kind of like a puzzle. It was confusing and hard to understand, yes; but if you really think, there was a lot more to the plot of this book tha..."

I am so glad to hear someone else caught that Millie killed Clarisse with her car while driving super fast. No one else I have talked to even noticed that inference!


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