Mystery/Thriller Reading Friends discussion

What do you think? good article I thought you would like. Who would expect print topping ebooks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10...

Donnajo wrote: "What do you think? good article I thought you would like. Who would expect print topping ebooks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10..."

Who would expect print topping ebooks? ME!! I've got a Kindle Fire and use it primarily as a tablet. I only read ebooks when they are the ONLY way I can get something I really want to read. The exception to that is magazines. I much prefer reading magazines on my Fire to reading paper & ink ones.

I'm still glad that print books are more popular. Me I still do both even though at times the ereader is easier to read. I would thing you still have the people who like to hold a book or who just don't to do the techie thing.

i'm not surprised, even though consumer reports said that receiving a book was one of the worst gifts people get at christmas time. obviously, they don't know all of us!
i love my kindle, especially when i'm traveling or reading a BFB, but still love a "real" book, too.

With the real book I finished last night I'm finding if I use my left hand it hurts. It is the thumb joint going down. So I guess Ebooks are better except for that if I use my right for swiping.

Thanks for the article link. I'm not sure I understand the comment about paper print books being read "more deeply", but agree with this comment:
"Electric Literature, Lincoln Michel theorizes that this anticipates a future in which paper books and ebooks will coexist peacefully."
As well they should.
Now if I could just convince my sister-in-law that listening to audio books are also real book reading.

I have a nook now, though I will not use it until my next big plane flight trip. I am looking forward to half my luggage NOT being books.
The one bad thing on e-readers is that the best of the books I would get at the UBS is drying up.

Re whether audio books are real--I just can't manage to listen to something that has no visual component without my attention wandering. It's as if the visual component anchors me. I think that people who listen to books and people who don't must have different brain organizations.

I prefer print, but what I prefer even more is being able to read the books that most interest me. If it's only available electronically then that's how I'm reading it. That applies to electronic ARCs from Net Galley too. They're not out yet in print and I really want to read them.

I am with Shomeret on this. I know myself well enough to know I would not pay sufficient attention to an audio book.

Perhaps it is an acquired habit; or a different brain organization. Whatever it is, I often feel like I get more detail and enjoyment from audio books. I am just grateful for the choices. And that Ereaders flexible sized print is easier to read and the options are so portable.
Barry wrote: "I am with Shomeret on this. I know myself well enough to know I would not pay sufficient attention to an audio book."

The only audios that have ever held my attention are the Harry Dresden books. With any others that I've tried my mind wanders like crazy so that I end up not paying attention at all!

Very perceptive comments. Sounds much like our old "which bench are you on" discussions.

For the record: paper books as first choice if available, e-books especially for travel but also for NTM authors, no chance for audio books until I can't read anymore.

Barry wrote: "I am with Shomeret on this. I know myself well enough to know I would not pay sufficient attention to an audio book."

my problem also plus the amt of time I'm in the car isn't worth it. if I'm going to the shore it is but I rather listen to music. in the past the few times I listened a few years ago I did better with short essays then a whole story. my concentration isn't there. as for when I walk when I walk the music is alot more motivating then a audio book.

E-books are fine for lighter fare, and I do appreciate being able to adjust the font size, but print books are my favorite.

at times with ereaders the only down side with me is I might jump around between books more often. but I love the idea of taking so many books with me if I take the nook or ipad with me. the ipad yes it has the nook and kindle app plus 2 other's that I've needed for arcs in the past. but I find I don't keep the internet on anymore on the nooks so I don't have the temptation of doing other stuff when I get any of the free books it's usually kindle so I only do it from the ipad if every once in awhile I do turn the internet on and off so if anything needs to be updated on the nooks it can. if any amazon gift certificate come my way for christmas I know I'll have enough for a kindle with the 2 other ones I already have that I won from past contests. I don't want to spend them on books so my thought is get a kindle. it might not be the same action as the nooks or ipad. but the thoughts are there.
The ipad only get epubs sent it it if I know I have to read them for read/review or if it's the ones I'm going to be reading soon. or they are on the list. so ibooks has only those books plus alot of free ones I got though ibooks.

And audio books are fine for travel, but my mind tends to wander any other time. My eyesight has been giving me problems lately, so I really should give audible books another go.

And audio books are fine for travel, but my mind tends to wander any other time. My eyesight has been giving me problems lately, so I really should give audible books another go.

Lynne, lately with me I find real books I have a harder time reading because of the light fonts. especailly at night. I know the problem is my eyes don't use the reading glasses as much. it's great with the ebooks I don 't even have too. only sometimes I give in with regular books. I think after the holidays I might buy myself a new book light. my sister has a great one that goes by battery and hungs around your neck. have to ask where she bought it. she just called I have to go and help her get ready for tomorrow for awhile.

I recently read this article below:

The use of an e-reader or tablet before bed can lead to reduced quality and quantity of sleep, new research shows.

Harvard researchers looked at what happened when 12 healthy adults read an e-reader before bed compared to when they read a traditional book.

They found that using light-emitting devices can increase the time it takes to fall asleep, suppress the production of the sleep-promoting hormone melatonin, delay the circadian clock, reduce the amount of REM sleep and reduce alertness the following morning.

These biological effects could continue to disrupt circadian rhythms, which can negatively impact performance, health and safety, the researchers say.

The study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.

Frances: I saw that article as well. It makes sense.
I do reduce my backlit screen time before bed by mostly reading print on paper or using the Kindle paperwhite where the screen is a softer light.

My Kindle is not backlit and has no light at all. It causes zero eyestrain. I sleep very well if I read on my Kindle before bed. I have problems sleeping if I'm reading e-mail on my computer just before bed as I sometimes do.

Frances wrote: "I recently read this article below:

The use of an e-reader or tablet before bed can lead to reduced quality and quantity of sleep, new research shows.

Harvard researchers looked at what happened ..."

Read this article, too, and it absolutely makes sense.

I like using my nook tablet at night that way I can turn off the bedroom light and read. most of the time I don't last long. even if I wake during the night and can't fall back to sleep it seems to work to read a few pages then try and again and I seem to fall back to sleep. well not early this morning wake at around 4 something and finally around 6 I deiced to read for awhile. but after a few pages I wasn't in the mood so it's coming online time to do catch up since I got home late last night and just wasn't in the mood. over did yesterday I think my wrist was bothering me. still is this morning not as much.

Frances wrote: "I recently read this article below:

The use of an e-reader or tablet before bed can lead to reduced quality and quantity of sleep, new research shows.

Harvard researchers looked at what happened ..."

Frances, I saw this article also. It may explain why I am going to bed later and later these days. The only time I dim the backlight on my iPad is when I'm in the car at night and don't want other drivers to know I'm playing games while stopped at a traffic light, LOL. (Gee, wonder if I'm addicted to my iPad?) I should make more of an effort to dim it in the hours before I go to bed.

Well, I think it's obvious to all that I listen more than I read at this point. I think I got "trained" in concentrating when I got books on tape to make the 7-hour drive to Philly go faster. There was that one time when I went west instead of east on the New York Thruway and went 10 miles out of my way (20 when you count the return trip to get back on course) but otherwise no problems concentrating or enjoying. I can't concentrate when I'm doing certain things, though, like reading, posting, anything requiring math, etc.

Still prefer print to ebooks, although as others have pointed out ebooks cannot be beat when travelling. I rarely read paperbacks anymore -- I mostly borrow library books and the paperbacks from there are, well -- I hate to say it -- skeevy.

I used to always be seen carrying a book around, now it's my iPad, but I don't use it for reading, more for playing games and checking email. That makes me a little sad, now that I think about it.

After reading 4 or 5 books consecutively on my Kindle, the switch back to print was seamless except for having to hunt up a bookmark. I really don't care at all which format I use, but I'll always have an e-reader for travel if nothing else.

I was thinking I have 2 amazon gift certificates that I won in contests. and I saw an article that compared ereaders and it mentioned a nexus 7 I think. I saw amazon sells those. but still do I really want another ereader. as it is in go between the nook tablet, simple touch and the ipad mini. I was thinking it would be more small that I can carry in my purse. now I wish I had the glow light nook. I didn't go for that one at the time since I had the table for night time reading.
I also saw the new sansung nooks. you can trade in your original 1st gen for $20 I believe towards either of the new ones. the point is I don't want to have to add money. I really don't need a new one. I got a $60 gift certificate for BN for christmas. and you know me I don't want to put it towards books I just get rid of. And I no longer have the membership there.

I love both formats and to me the ideal situation is to be able to buy a book in whatever format you want ---- digital, audio, hardcover, trade paperback, etc.

I read both digital (mainly Kindle app on iPad) and physical books, reading most work stuff and nonfiction on the tablet (no more printing out manuscripts!) and physical books for my "recreational" reading.

I like the "look-up a bookmark" comment Dan!
And I agree Wiley, the flexibility of choice of format is wonderfully convenient. And challenging!

I personally find that both print and eBooks are great for varying reasons. Obviously, as many others do, I love the feel and smell of a print book. Many book covers are beautiful and are a worthwhile decorative addition to any home library or office space. Print books can be held and nothing will ever replace that in my heart.

However, the ability to organize books into collections and look up words on the spot are great tools for prolific readers. Searching historical or literary references on Wikipedia, highlighting, and taking notes without marring the actual book are more unbeatable features of the eBook.

Ultimately, they are both wonderful reading experiences that I think everyone should try!

Ann wrote: "Thanks for the article link. I'm not sure I understand the comment about paper print books being read "more deeply", but agree with this comment:
"Electric Literature, Lincoln Michel theorizes tha..."

A study came out a few months back showing that people reading on print retain more information than those doing so digitally. Let me see if I can Google it up... Aha! Here are a couple of links pointing to the same Norwegian study:

http://www.adweek.com/galleycat/readi...

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...

Eduardo Suastegui
Story-telling that captures the heart

Eduardo: I won't disagree with the study, distractions may abound while reading on a digital device, especially a smart phone. However I am personally am usually finding as much enjoyment and retention on a Kindle copy of a book as well as a hardback / paperback.
Eduardo wrote: "A study came out a few months back showing that people reading on print retain more information than those doing so digitally"

As I get older I retain less across the board. I had an eidetic memory until my early teens, but it went downhill from there. If I want to be able to discuss or review the books I've read, I need to take copious notes whether I've read it in print or digitally.

thanks for sharing the articles. interesting.
I think for the most part with me. depends on the book I read. certain ones I'll remember almost everything about some I don't. sometimes my sister asks certain things if we both read the same book or she talked about it and I'll have forgotten but most of the times it's because she read the book long after me.
lately I'm finding also I'm reading more ebooks only because the print is alot easier to read. if I have a print book I rather read it during the day so it's easier to read.
right now I'm going crazy looking for a book light. my sister has this one that she bought over a year ago from costco they don't have them anymore. they are called hug lights. if you check online from amazon you can get them but it's though a second party I believe but still you go though amazon, I'm checked walmart and bed bath beyond. at the time they probably came out as one of the you saw it on tv things. I even had my sister check in the one mall yesterday that used to have one of those stands in the middle. they no longer do. home depot but buy their is bigger it's the pro.
I might even go though the hug light site but not too sure about that either. it's just that I have gift certificate I can use from amazon.

I am such an e-book girl, I have not read a paper book since they came out with the kindle in 2008. I love books, but I really really like e-books!!

Now here is a good question. when you read a ebook if it's a free one or one you bought. or got from someone. do you still keep it or do you delete it? I seem to delete it from the ereader. depending on the book I sometimes leave it to see if my sister wants to read it. even though I give her some but she still doesn't really read them on the ipad she keeps saying she likes to hold a book.
the kindle free ones I have the only problem I'm finding and haven't figured out on the ipad mini is how do you delete them after you finish them. I go on the mac and delete them but it only seems like they go to archive on the ipad. yet there is two places there is cloud then there is device. it might disappear from one but not the other. it just getting confusing which some of these short free ones which I've read and which I haven't read. does anyone know how to get them totally off the kindle app.

Donnajo wrote: "Now here is a good question. when you read a ebook if it's a free one or one you bought. or got from someone. do you still keep it or do you delete it? I seem to delete it from the ereader. d..."

You actually need to go to your account on Amazon to completely delete a book. Go to Manage My Content and Devices. You'll see all your books under the Content tab. On the left there's a Select column. Check the books you want to delete, then go up to the top and push the delete button. They will all be deleted at once.

I've tried that in the past but they still are showing. I'll give it another try.

I have appreciated Amazon reminding me I already own something more than once when my memory fails and a book looks tempting. I have lots of tempting books lined up to read.

it has happened with me with amazon books I forget which freebies I buy too I guess but it is a pain. I'll have to figure something out. some of these freebies you go into thinking it's longer than it is. but it's so short it's not even worth the time you put into and yes it has you hanging. I guess it's to get you to buy the next one. one of the author's I read/review for has asked that question for a future book she's putting out whether she should do it in series style with so many books more like novellas I guess or to do it in one book. I know I get upset then some do it in series style of that leave you hanging. then you have to wait a month for the nest one. Her thinking is because of the kindle unlimited. some people came back and said they can't put that type of money out each month to do something like that. Me I have to pick and choose which books I buy now and can't put that type of money out plus I rather read ooks on the nook or if I have to read on the ipad but because I like the page count I'm not crazy about the kindle books. I know it's easy enough with some to go and check the page count someplace else that it would be listed.

Eduardo:
I have been thinking about this study as I listen to audio books this week. I think the amount of reading comprehension is directly involved with the individual reader, time, attention and mood, and with the type of book relevant to the amount of retention.
I usually have good success with an audio book, and may read a Kindle book longer and with easier readability due to the lighting and font flexibility. That doesn't mean I am going to retain more, but with some books retention is not diminished based on the format, some it would be.
I was listening to a Grammar Girl podcast on punctuation and while it was very interesting, I would have retained more if I had seen it in print, and possibly more on paper than a screen. On the screen my mind would think I could just take a photo of the details for reference, in a print paper book, I would use another method to retain the tips, probably writing them down (which aids in committing to memory)

Eduardo wrote: "A study came out a few months back showing that people reading on print retain more information than those doing so digitally. Let me see if I can Google it up... Aha! Here are a couple of links pointing to the same Norwegian study:"

I didn’t think I would have a comment to make on this thread but how things change! I have always been a paperback/hardcover kind of gal and ebooks was never on my mind, and if it was, the words would be ‘not ever’. However ..... I recently came across a few books by authors I haven’t read before that I thought I might like to read. Some books were priced at $12. to $20. just for a paperback. Then I noticed the ebook price for $2.99. I decided then and there what a great way to try out a new author. But I didn’t have a kindle. Soon I figured out that I could download these books to my smart phone, and actually have sample pages first before purchasing. What a great idea! Some weeks ago I had to sit in a waiting room for an hour and lugged my large paperback with me, while the other week I had my phone – was so easy to whip out for a quick read. Am I converted? Absolutely. I will always go for paperbacks and hardcovers first, if a reasonable price, but will definitely switch to an ebook if offered at an attractive price. A final thought – I found the screen on my phone too bright to read in bed, but it is just fine during the day.

I must thank Shomeret for her tip on how to delete the ebooks as I didn’t have a clue.

this time I was able to delete the kindle books. what I had to end up doing was going on the mac to delete it from the one spot then when I'm on the ipad I still have to delete from the other category otherwise it only goes to archive. kind of strange. I went though all my books probably over 500 just on the kindle alot of freebies. and I deleted a bunch so not it's down in the 400 range. I took any one that I didn't think I would ever read. back when I was taking the freebies I was just grabbing anything since I was free and I was thinking it would give me a catch to read a author or a gene I never did. so now I switch my decision and alot of horror or ones I might have tried reading and decided no go at that point I deleted plus I had a bunch of holiday books I put in archive and never read. at this point I don't care anymore. I read so many this past year I decided to just get rid of the ones I have in archive anyway. also got rid of alot of freebie BN books too. not as many. maybe next should be real books. haven't done a weedout in awhile. maybe it's time. LOL

Michael wrote: "Frances wrote: "I didn’t think I would have a comment to make on this thread but how things change! I have always been a paperback/hardcover kind of gal and ebooks was never on my mind, and if it ..."

Thanks Michael for the tip on brightness. I’ll have to have another look at the settings on my phone as the screen seemed to get brighter once I went to read the book even after adjusting. Although I bought my first cell phone only last year I’m still working my way around all the different controls, etc.

I do luck out with buying hardcovers though, as one of my online books stores (Chapters, in Canada) have many with lower prices than paperbacks or ebooks. Some I bought for less than $5.00 (at Xmas time I picked up John Grisham’s Gray Mountain for $10.) – still to read this one.

Thanks again Michael. I found the setting for the Adaptive Brightness which adjusts itself for available light - clicked it to off so I'll see what it looks like in the evening.

By the way that's a great profile photo of a mountain goat.