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message 1: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19853 comments Read a travelogue of someone who got there and consequently looked it up on the net: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmers...
Palmerston - a remote coral reef, which planes can't reach and only occasional boat arrives twice a year. A commune of 50-70 ppl, no banks, no cash, no riots or police, no paid work either. Nonetheless, seemingly happy people and busy too, sometimes. Moreover, they probably speak English. Don't know their immigration policy, but would you try this way of life or do you think it isn't for you? And why?


message 2: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7983 comments It's a tribe of less than one hundred people. That's what we evolved for. Adding new people from outside would destabilize the society and create conflicts.


message 3: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19853 comments If evolution interferes with happiness it might be a counterevoltion:)
They might offer a probation period btw the biannual boats’ arrival


message 4: by J. (last edited Jun 14, 2020 01:00PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7983 comments Evolution is simply the result of natural selection, and natural selection is an expression of populations, that more efficiently convert resources into offspring, out competing their rivals. Happiness is a neurochemical reaction to stimuli which are advantageous to reproduction. While modern, population dense societies are very efficient at converting resources into offspring, we can function in them by ignoring all but our immediate clique. This means that there is little selective pressure towards a happiness response to larger populations.

Of course my response has been reinforced by my rural upbringing and lifestyle, so I may be prejudiced.


message 5: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8073 comments I like that, Nik: counterevolution :-)


message 6: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19853 comments J. wrote: "While modern, population dense societies are very efficient at converting resources into offspring..."

Not sure I grasp the underlying idea, especially since populations with lesser resources seem to have more offsprings..
Maybe happiness and other feelings can be reduced to chemical reactions, and what I hear that drugs like ecstasy can induce the feeling, but probably nothing compares to when it comes naturally within your own life.
I remember how it was difficult at first at one of those paradise islands in Thailand to shake off all the stress of the rat race of studies and work and how it's simplistic routine took over after a few days and the feeling it brought. Not sure, the described way of life is for me, but experiencing it for a while might be interesting and maybe even meaningful :)


message 7: by Leonie (new)

Leonie (leonierogers) | 1579 comments I reckon there might be a bit of inbreeding there...


message 8: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8073 comments Nik, more info about the paradise islands in Thailand?


message 9: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19853 comments DiCaprio would be more successful in presenting them in The Beach movie :)
I believe a lot of expats, having a source of income, like rent from real estate, moved to Thai islands to enjoy cheap and tranquil being..


message 10: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8073 comments Sounds like what Brando did in Tahiti.


message 11: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie | 2057 comments Would I try it? No. It's just not me. My ideal has always been to live in a city of 100k to 250k population, preferably where I am always warm. It doesn't exist in AZ, unfortunately. I want concerts, plays, shopping availability, preferably with easy access to roads to travel to other parts of the country.


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