books at midnight discussion

I've posted this on another group before but i take fitz hate very seriously >:( {@make-kotlc-gayer}

what we often see when people are criticizing fitz is them blaming him for his anger at sophie when his dad was "dead" and like sure, no one said he reacted well but also he was grieving???? and sophie thought she was able to save him, so okay, she was optimistic and stuff, but fitz? fitz had just lost his dad, and whether you want it or not, that takes a toll on someone.

i also often see the "he's too perfect" (though imo that kinda left after the first few books) but really, he isn't all that perfect at all. fitz is very flawed and that's what makes him such an interesting character. when people see him as perfect, they see him exactly as fitz wants them to see him. (and somehow that makes the whole thing even funnier). bc see? fitz had so many underlying issues, but he tries his freaking best to hide them. he actually told sophie in the later books that he befriended keefe bc they were both the "weird" kids. and his entire school personality is, well. exactly that. a persona. that's so far from who he actually is, but heck if he's going to let them know that. his perfect appearance is nothing more than a shell. they can't hate you if they don't know you. and they can't hate you if you don't give them any reason to.

we also see hate bc he "gets in the way of your ship" so im only going to say this on the matter: if you're so scared of a character ruining your ship that you need to hate on them and make those who like them feel like trash, then maybe the problem isn't the character, maybe the problem is you.

now.

im sure people still have countless other (invalid, in my very humble opinion) reasons to hate on fitz, but also you get the idea.

what i personally like about fitz is the display of his anger issues. fitz is a very traumatized character, and i don't think that many people realize that. i mean, even before sophie came along, he was tasked forced at a very young age to go into unknown territory (and dangerous, too) by his f a t h e r. an authority figure that should've freaking known better. so he's yeeted in this place he doesn't know, and for many years, affecting his relationship with people his age and hurting his mental health and so much more.

a l s o. keefe is often seen as the prankster, but fitz is so funny too???? like that's just a lil parenthesis but he actually makes jokes in canon and that's super sweet and cute and like guys stop sleeping on fitz

ive already made many posts about fitz and trauma so i won't venture there today, but he displays evident signs of it and i really hope that was intentional on shannon's part because that would really fit with what he's gone through.

en résumé, fitz is a very layered character, and you have every right not to like him. im definitely not trying to make you like/love him. but please don't hate on him. like ive said before, hating on fictional characters never hurts them, so there's no real point in doing so, because you'll only hurt those who see themselves in the characters. and maybe you don't realize it, but ive read every single tags on my anti-hate posts and i guarantee you that people are hurt. your actions hurt people. so please, please, please, think before you post explicit hate. (like? you really like a character? why don't you post about that instead of making huge paragraphs about why you dislike another one? ;) it's only gonna be more fun for everyone involved!!)

when it comes to this, yes, I will be aggressive.

arwyn_d wrote: "Lemon wrote: "when it comes to this, yes, I will be aggressive."

welp at least fitz has some help in his side of the corner, he needs it loll"

and that's very depressing

>:(

AYL wrote: "Lemon wrote: "I've posted this on another group before but i take fitz hate very seriously >:( {@make-kotlc-gayer}

what we often see when people are criticizing fitz is them blaming him for his an..."

OK I CAME BACK FROM MY BREAK FOR THIS
listen here
not everyone deals with grief the same way
saying that his way of coping is "wrong" just invalidates his experiences.

this is unrelated but apply it to the characters

FITZPHIE FITZPHIE FITZPHIE

✨AYL wrote: "Lemon wrote: "I've posted this on another group before but i take fitz hate very seriously >:( {@make-kotlc-gayer}

what we often see when people are criticizing fitz is them blaming him for his an..."

Seriously?!?!?!?!

As much as Fitz isn't my favorite character, and as much as I ship Team Foster-Keefe, I think that's taking it a bit far. I'm not gonna diss on your opinions; they're opinions, and you have a right to them, but grief is a complicated thing. When you lose someone or something, at least for me, it's like there's this gaping hole inside of you where that person used to be. You feel like if you let yourself be sad, you'll fall into yourself, or worse, accept that the person is gone and never coming back. So to try to push away the grief, try to clog the pit inside of you, you become a different person. You could become a joking kind of person, trying to forget about your pain by making jokes and pretending it doesn't exist. Or you can take that pain and direct it outwards in anger, like Fitz does, to try to get rid of it. I'm not saying that's healthy, but it's a way some people cope with grief. Just because he's not showing his sadness doesn't mean he's not feeling it. And I'm not saying, either, that I'm an expert on this topic or that you haven't experienced grief. I'm just saying that some things hurt like heck, and saying one person's way of hurting is wrong or inconsiderate isn't the kindest thing to do.

hold on are you
backing fitz or??

No

I'm just saying he has a right to express his grief in a way that isn't sadness

I don't agree with half the things he's done; he's a jerk to Sophie and to the rest of the world, but he has a right to his pain and how he chooses to express it.

Team Foster-Keefe all the way.

Queen Jenna the III wrote: "No

I'm just saying he has a right to express his grief in a way that isn't sadness

I don't agree with half the things he's done; he's a jerk to Sophie and to the rest of the world, but he has a ..."

yes?? I'm not arguing against that??

FITZPHIE 4 LIFEEE

SOKEEFEEEEEEEE

KEEFITZ OR SOKEEFITZZZZ

KEEFITZ OR SOKEEFITZZZZ

KEEFITZ OR SOKEEFITZZZZ

Keefitz definitely

WHOOOOO

WOOHOOOO!

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you're all wrong, sokeefitz is elite.

Whoa, y'all thats a lot of keefe/fosters. I'm one the Sokeefe side, but i would love to see Keefitz

SOKEEFITZ
THE TRIO OF POWER

I think dex would feel left out :)

bianex works !

BUT CONSIDER
aroace dex

*gasps and passes out*

but yes though

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*ahem* hello, self proclaimed queen of spam here

making long comments with capitalized *insert single word* isn't as effective as an actual argument for or against something. however, since we're on the topic of ships, and if we start T H A T conversation, it probably won't end well. so, i will be moderating the battle, remember no bashing no personal insults and no weapons. I want a good and clean fight. *tired sigh* but,,, what if you argued about different ships? ,,,, perhaps,,, dex and linh VS dex and biana?

You know what-Lemon- that's a great idea!

Team Foster Keefe is the cutest, seeing that Keefe and Sophie went through a lot together.

sokeefitz is the best, as it
1. puts a stop to the ship wars (4 ships in one!!)
2. rep!!
3. Legacy page 583,
“In one smooth motion she tugged her gloves free and tapped her fingers, reaching for the two people in her life who always kept her anchored. And she clung to them with all the strength she had, feeling heat and lightning shock through their palms as her feel lifted off the ground and her rage found a new kind of clarity.”
4. dont know which book this is from but
"I simply want to make sure that you realize the dynamic between you, Mr. Vacker, and Mr. Sencen is... complicated."
5. they balance each other out
6. its a love triangle babes, not a love v
7. theyve ALL been through so much together
8. youve got the mind, heart, and body
9. KEEFITZTER
10. power couple supreme

shall i go on

If you would like, Lemon.........but before i would even consider switching to Fitzphie, I'd have to go with keefitz

noo
SOFITZ ruless

IM ON THE
IF IT WAS GAY:
Sophie/Biana
Keefe/Fitz
Linh/Marella
Tam/Dex

STRAIGHT:
Sophie/Keefe
Biana/Tam
Linh/Fitz

Lemon wrote: "sokeefitz is the best, as it
1. puts a stop to the ship wars (4 ships in one!!)
2. rep!!
3. Legacy page 583,
“In one smooth motion she tugged her gloves free and tapped her fingers, reaching for ..."

AHH
lemon always changing my point of view

YOURE A FITZPHIE SHIPPER!!!!!!

U DIDNT KNOW
SHEY

WHaaaaaT

EHEHEHEHEH

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i'm mainly keefitz but i think sokeefitz should be endgame, either that or keefitz and sophiana

I agree with that I think Sophiana would be dope

yes, yes it would!

:)

SOKEEFE TILL THE END

i understand the whole long term crushing thing!

Keefe, though it would be cool if shannon ignored both ships and did something different