Christian Readers discussion

The scripture says, "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Do you know what that means? Are you in the church doing the Father's will because these were pious people who stood before him?

This is what this book entitled I Never Knew You is about.
Its description reads:

It is known and understood that the mystery of the seven golden candlesticks of Revelation 1:20 is of the seven periods of the church. The church is currently in its last age-- the age of Laodicea. The ages of the church end in failure. Thus, as in 1517, when one named Martin Luther wrote words unto the church of his day, this very literature serves as those 95 theses that Martin Luther nailed to the church's door years ago. When Israel began to fall into idolatry, they moved further away from God and could no longer hear him anymore, so God began to send his word through prophets unto Israel. This is that very same God sending his word unto this church age of this day. God desires our all because he has given us his all.

I Never Knew You expounds on God's holiness, Grace, the Father, and the Word of God. The scriptures say that only a few shall find the way of life while many declare God's name in this day. But, I Never Knew You shines light upon this call of God for us to believe and live in our walks with him.

There is no place any closer to God than to believe in him when everyone else does not. The most intimate place of all is to be alone in your trust in God. To trust is very intimate. Our hearts, minds, and souls all become involved and at stake once we choose to trust. Love is a matter of giving oneself. Love, therefore, cannot be without trust. To say that we trust God is to say that we have a relationship with him because trust is a matter of intimacy. God desires our heart, but many lie and pretend to love God when God knows all. Hence, God has sent his word, saying, I Never Knew You. We must be as Enoch in these days of Noah.

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the grace of God was brought to us through Jesus’ LIFE , Through what he taught us DURING HIS LIFE .
If we disobey what he taught us we are rejecting that grace . We accept that grace by obeying with all our mind, all our strength and all our heart.
1)to love the Lord withal our heart , mind and strength
2)to love our fellow humans
And in Matthew 25:32- 46 Jesus made it VERY clear what he meant by LOVE OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS and HE would do to us if we did not .
But even his chastisement of the disobedient is also a form of His grace for in Matthew 25:32- 46 it is Jesus and no one else who says “ let there be wailing and gnashing of teeth “ The Lord Chastenth whom he loveth, It is for our own good and anything that makes you more obedient and loving is the grace of Jesus.
YOU DETERMINE WHAT FORM OF GRACE WILL BE APPLIED TO YOU
I have never found any scripture in the Bible that said Jesus suffered so that the disobedient would be whisked off to heaven without having to reap what they have sown. Penial substitution is completely unsupported by the bible . And certainly I have never found Jesus saying that ,But I HAVE found Jesus saying that the disobedient would be “ caste into a dungeon and not released until they have paid to the last farthing “ Matthew 18:30 “ And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.”

So there are 2 types of grace"
1) where Jesus greats us as his obedient servant ,hugs us and escorts us to heaven
2) where he has the disobedient bound and caste into a place where they wail and Gansh their teeth until they learn to obey and then he hugs them and escorts them to heaven

If we want the kind of grace avoids pain there are certain conditions you must fullfill . Jesus’ painless grace does not come without conditions . For example: This quote :


“forgive those who hurt you : that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses".

If we do NOT fulfill the conditions for painless grace then we definitely need Jesus' “ painful grace “ ( being “and cast him into prison, till we pay the debt.”I Matthew 18:30 in proportion to our debt of disobedience we spend time their until that debt is paid .Then we too are lovingly embraced and atkens to heaven so where our bliss is so great that we paise even the painful grace


But the wailing and gnashing is never eternal. It is only until we learn not to disobey . God knows and loves all of his children , obedient and disobedient and corrects us then rewards us . God does not hate us make us wail and gnash for eternity ,


In Matthew 25-32-46 JESUS WANTS US TO REALIZE THAT WE NEED TO OBEY JESUS and stop disparaging those who, out of love for humanity point out what Jesus taught and urge others to obey it

And to be clear I am talking about Jesus teaching to alleviate human suffering if in 2022 becoming vegan will do that then obedience means becoming vegan because the meat industry clears 28 million more acres of forest every year for cow pasture generates more green house gasses than all forms of transportation combined and becoming vegan is simply the only way to shut it down

so yes for now becoming vegan is obeying Jesus command to alleviate suffering

TO ALL,

Assuming that Jesus blood did wash away the PUNISHMENT for our sins. We are still left with Jesus saying ( Matthew 25:32-46 , Luke13:28) that he is going to cast hard hearted believers out fo his presence where they will wail and gnash their teeth . This treatments is therapeutic NOT payment for sins but to remove the hard hearted attitude that caused the heard hearted believers to hurt or neglect to come to the aid of suffering humanity because heaven can be enjoyed only by soft hearted people. So this pain and torment is to soften their hard hearts (that's is the only possible explanation I can see to reconcile Vicarious atonement with Matthew 25:32-46 where Jesus is casting people who call him lord but ddi not help suffering humans during their lives )

Being cast out is NOT a lack of grace but AN ACT OF MERCY because if we went to heaven with a hard heart they would not get the full bliss of the eternal heavenly experience which can be felt only with a soft heart!

Any one Have a problem with this reconciliation between Vicarious Atonement and Jesus casting hard hearted souls who call him Lord out of his presence ?

Does any one NOT see how being vegan in 2022 where 7.9 billion humans are trying to all eat meat is causing deforestation and green house gases that we can all avoid by becoming vegan thus averting suffering to billions of humans ?

Eating meat was not hurting humanity in the time of Jesus when there were only 1.3 million people but with 7.9 billion meat eaters and with 28 million acres per year being converted into cow pasture meat eating will cause deforestation which will cause droughts and famines which will cause immense human suffering and one would have to be very hard hearted to continue to eat meat knowing that the meat industry is clearing 28 million acres of forest and generating more green house gases than all forms of transportation combined at a time when the world is being pushed into droughts and famines .

Meat eating under those circumstances is very hard hearted indeed and in Matthew 25:32-46 Jesus WARNS that His way of softening hard hearts is to cast believers out of his presence until their hearts soften and by his use of the word "everlasting " it sounds like it may seem to the believer who is being cast out to be a long long long time. So why not softn your heart an become vegan now ?

Im sure since Jesus loves us all -so much that he died for us- that as soon as the heart does soft enough, he at once takes it to heaven. The reference in Mattew 25:32-46 to the casting out being "everlasting" is simply Jesus' way of saying it will seem like a very long time...but no loving father casts a child out forever .It is just until his attitude has been corrected .Im quite sure about that

Hard hearted believers are forgiven but not quite ready for heaven yet

regards
Liza