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Dec 16, 2021 10:47AM
Did He really come back from the dead or was He just some man that people made into a prank?
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Here's my thought:
If you look at 1 Corinthians 15:12-21
12Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep. (yes, men did come back to life before Jesus, like Lazarus, but they still died...first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep, means He was the first to resurrect, with a Heavenly body) 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
Do you really think people would give up their lives? THEIR LIVES?! to believe in some myth or joke? That people would stand in their faith, and preach the Word if this was just some hoax?
If Jesus didn't resurrect, it would be better for us to watch television that to go to church, to share a joke than the Gospel. Paul was likely beheaded by the Romans, James the son of Zebedee, who was executed by Herod , Peter was crucified, upside down at his request, since he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as his Lord, Philip arrested and cruelly put to death. About 70million Christians have been martyred since the time of Jesus. Maybe more. Do you really think they would go to die if Jesus was just a joke?
If you look at 1 Corinthians 15:12-21
12Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep. (yes, men did come back to life before Jesus, like Lazarus, but they still died...first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep, means He was the first to resurrect, with a Heavenly body) 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
Do you really think people would give up their lives? THEIR LIVES?! to believe in some myth or joke? That people would stand in their faith, and preach the Word if this was just some hoax?
If Jesus didn't resurrect, it would be better for us to watch television that to go to church, to share a joke than the Gospel. Paul was likely beheaded by the Romans, James the son of Zebedee, who was executed by Herod , Peter was crucified, upside down at his request, since he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as his Lord, Philip arrested and cruelly put to death. About 70million Christians have been martyred since the time of Jesus. Maybe more. Do you really think they would go to die if Jesus was just a joke?
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If you look at 1 Corinthians 15:12-21
12Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there ..."
PPPPPREEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAACHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus (peace be upon him) has not died yet to resurrect. But as a human, he will also face death when his time comes.
what does the bible say about crucifixion and resurrection? can I get the verses?
Elijah wrote: "Islam: Jesus did not resurrect!Christianity: Says who?
Islam: The Koran!
Christianity: No, Jesus did resurrect!
Islam: Says who?
Christianity: The Bible!
Islam: Uh...
Christianity: Uh..."
It all comes down to one thing. What's more credible? The bible or the Quran?
'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' what's this verse referring to?
Maryam wrote: "'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' what's this verse referring to?"
I believe it's comparing Jonah's three days and three nights being swallowed by a huge fish with Jesus being dead for three days (before Rising from the Dead))
I believe it's comparing Jonah's three days and three nights being swallowed by a huge fish with Jesus being dead for three days (before Rising from the Dead))
Kara wrote: "Maryam wrote: "'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' what's this verse referrin..."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgYeI...
what's your response to this then?
I'll have to watch it later. It's restricted on my laptop rn
Kara wrote: "Maryam wrote: "'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' what's this verse referrin..."Okay, was Jesus (pbuh) in the grave for three days and three nights?
Maryam wrote: "Kara wrote: "Maryam wrote: "'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' what's this v..."
I believe so. In Matthew 12:40, Jesus says, “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” This statement from Jesus suggests that after His crucifixion, He will be in the grave for 72 hours (three whole nights and three whole days). But when we look at the events as we understand them, it seems that Jesus was not in the grave for this entire time as He predicted. If Jesus was crucified on Friday and He resurrected on Sunday, then it would mean that Jesus was in the grave for only two nights. How can we reconcile this difference?
To begin, the Bible does not explicitly state which day of the week Jesus was crucified. However, the Bible does describe the events and festivals leading up to the death and resurrection of Christ. Several scenarios have been suggested to explain what Jesus meant in Matthew 12:40.
The most commonly held views of when Jesus was crucified are Wednesday and Friday. The Bible nowhere states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday. Some of the arguments for a Friday crucifixion is based on Marks 15:42. It says, “the day before the Sabbath”, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Likewise, in Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22, Jesus Himself states that He would rise “on the third day”.
On the other hand, Matthew 12:40 and Mark 8:31 says that Jesus will be raised “after” three days. Regardless, if Jesus was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on Sunday, this does not cover the three full days and three full nights. If Jesus was crucified on a Friday, how can the whole three days and three nights be explained according to Matthew 12:40?
A possible explanation for such a scenario can be by understanding how a Jewish day was measured. According to Jewish custom, any part of the day is considered or included as part of the whole day. We can see some examples in the Old Testament to understand this concept further. In Esther 4:16, Esther requests all the Jews in Susa to fast for her for three days, night or day. Now, in Esther 5:1, it says, “On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace,” While three days, and three nights have not been completed Esther goes to see the King on the third day. So, the third day is considered as “after” three days in this situation.
Another example is observed in Genesis 42:17, which says, “And he put them all together in custody for three days.” In the next verse (v18), it says, “On the third day Joseph said to them, “Do this and you will live,”. Again, three full days were not completed, but part of the third day was considered the whole day. There are other similar examples in 2 Chronicles 10:5,12, etc. According to Jewish tradition, a day and a night “is as the whole”. Thus, any combination of any part of three days can be considered as the whole. So, if Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and resurrected on Sunday, then it fulfils Jesus’ words in Matthew 12:40.
Another possible way to understand these events could be by putting together the information in the gospels that led to the crucifixion of Christ on Wednesday. This scenario involves two sabbaths. Scriptures command other Holy times (high-holy days) where no work is done besides the weekly Sabbaths. Leviticus 23:5-7 says, “In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’S Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”
According to this passage, the 14th day is the Passover and the 15th day is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. At the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, they must have a holy convocation where no work is done. In other words, it is to be a special sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath”, a “high-holy” day, “high” day, etc. The 14th day also became known as the “preparation day” because the people made preparations for the High Sabbath and the great feast day that begins at sundown, after which no work is permitted (High-Sabbath or high-holy day).
All four gospels reference a preparation day and agree that Jesus died on that day (Mark 15:42-47, Luke 23:50-56, John 19:31-37, and Matthew 27:62-66). In fact, John 19:31 also specifies the high-Sabbath, saying, “Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.” Here the day of preparation is mentioned, and that the next day was a high-holy day or a High Sabbath day where no work was to be done. Note: this day is different to the weekly Sabbath.
Based on these facts, Jesus would have been crucified on Wednesday and in the tomb by Wednesday evening. Jesus was quickly taken from the cross after His death as there were only a few hours before the annual Feast to being (Mark 15:42-43). According to the events and feasts described in the gospels, the timeline of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus would have looked like this (noting the Jewish day starts at sundown and ends at sunset the next day):
First night: Wednesday night, Jesus would be in the tomb when the High Sabbath begins since this was just after the day of preparation (John 19:31) and the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
First day: Thursday, the High Sabbath continued.
Second night: Thursday night which is the end of the High Sabbath.
Second day: Friday when the women see the tomb and how His body was laid, return and prepare spices and ointment. After that, they rested on the regular Sabbath according to the commandment (Luke 23:55-56). Notice the gap here; they rested on the regular Sabbath day after buying the spices and ointment. In Mark 16:1, on the first day of the week (Sunday), they go to the tomb of Jesus to anoint Him with the spices and ointment they had prepared before the Sabbath.
Third night: Friday night, when the regular Sabbath began.
Third day: Jesus in the tomb during the regular Sabbath on Saturday. Finally, on Saturday evening, Jesus would not have been in the tomb at the end of the regular Sabbath. Then after the Sabbath rest (recurring/weekly Sabbath), on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus (Mark 16:1). When the women went to the tomb very early on the first day of the week, they found the tomb empty, and an angel declared to them that Jesus had risen. (Mark 16:1-8).
The above events fulfil three full nights and three full days in the tomb as declared by Jesus in Matthew 12:40. It fits with the events described in the gospels and aligns with the Jewish feasts commanded in scripture.
In conclusion, the Bible does not explicitly declare the exact day of the crucifixion of Jesus. However, the several scenarios we discussed help us understand the statement of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 and its fulfilment.
(https://endofthematter.com/2022/02/wa...)
I believe so. In Matthew 12:40, Jesus says, “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” This statement from Jesus suggests that after His crucifixion, He will be in the grave for 72 hours (three whole nights and three whole days). But when we look at the events as we understand them, it seems that Jesus was not in the grave for this entire time as He predicted. If Jesus was crucified on Friday and He resurrected on Sunday, then it would mean that Jesus was in the grave for only two nights. How can we reconcile this difference?
To begin, the Bible does not explicitly state which day of the week Jesus was crucified. However, the Bible does describe the events and festivals leading up to the death and resurrection of Christ. Several scenarios have been suggested to explain what Jesus meant in Matthew 12:40.
The most commonly held views of when Jesus was crucified are Wednesday and Friday. The Bible nowhere states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday. Some of the arguments for a Friday crucifixion is based on Marks 15:42. It says, “the day before the Sabbath”, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Likewise, in Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22, Jesus Himself states that He would rise “on the third day”.
On the other hand, Matthew 12:40 and Mark 8:31 says that Jesus will be raised “after” three days. Regardless, if Jesus was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on Sunday, this does not cover the three full days and three full nights. If Jesus was crucified on a Friday, how can the whole three days and three nights be explained according to Matthew 12:40?
A possible explanation for such a scenario can be by understanding how a Jewish day was measured. According to Jewish custom, any part of the day is considered or included as part of the whole day. We can see some examples in the Old Testament to understand this concept further. In Esther 4:16, Esther requests all the Jews in Susa to fast for her for three days, night or day. Now, in Esther 5:1, it says, “On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace,” While three days, and three nights have not been completed Esther goes to see the King on the third day. So, the third day is considered as “after” three days in this situation.
Another example is observed in Genesis 42:17, which says, “And he put them all together in custody for three days.” In the next verse (v18), it says, “On the third day Joseph said to them, “Do this and you will live,”. Again, three full days were not completed, but part of the third day was considered the whole day. There are other similar examples in 2 Chronicles 10:5,12, etc. According to Jewish tradition, a day and a night “is as the whole”. Thus, any combination of any part of three days can be considered as the whole. So, if Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and resurrected on Sunday, then it fulfils Jesus’ words in Matthew 12:40.
Another possible way to understand these events could be by putting together the information in the gospels that led to the crucifixion of Christ on Wednesday. This scenario involves two sabbaths. Scriptures command other Holy times (high-holy days) where no work is done besides the weekly Sabbaths. Leviticus 23:5-7 says, “In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’S Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”
According to this passage, the 14th day is the Passover and the 15th day is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. At the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, they must have a holy convocation where no work is done. In other words, it is to be a special sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath”, a “high-holy” day, “high” day, etc. The 14th day also became known as the “preparation day” because the people made preparations for the High Sabbath and the great feast day that begins at sundown, after which no work is permitted (High-Sabbath or high-holy day).
All four gospels reference a preparation day and agree that Jesus died on that day (Mark 15:42-47, Luke 23:50-56, John 19:31-37, and Matthew 27:62-66). In fact, John 19:31 also specifies the high-Sabbath, saying, “Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.” Here the day of preparation is mentioned, and that the next day was a high-holy day or a High Sabbath day where no work was to be done. Note: this day is different to the weekly Sabbath.
Based on these facts, Jesus would have been crucified on Wednesday and in the tomb by Wednesday evening. Jesus was quickly taken from the cross after His death as there were only a few hours before the annual Feast to being (Mark 15:42-43). According to the events and feasts described in the gospels, the timeline of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus would have looked like this (noting the Jewish day starts at sundown and ends at sunset the next day):
First night: Wednesday night, Jesus would be in the tomb when the High Sabbath begins since this was just after the day of preparation (John 19:31) and the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
First day: Thursday, the High Sabbath continued.
Second night: Thursday night which is the end of the High Sabbath.
Second day: Friday when the women see the tomb and how His body was laid, return and prepare spices and ointment. After that, they rested on the regular Sabbath according to the commandment (Luke 23:55-56). Notice the gap here; they rested on the regular Sabbath day after buying the spices and ointment. In Mark 16:1, on the first day of the week (Sunday), they go to the tomb of Jesus to anoint Him with the spices and ointment they had prepared before the Sabbath.
Third night: Friday night, when the regular Sabbath began.
Third day: Jesus in the tomb during the regular Sabbath on Saturday. Finally, on Saturday evening, Jesus would not have been in the tomb at the end of the regular Sabbath. Then after the Sabbath rest (recurring/weekly Sabbath), on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus (Mark 16:1). When the women went to the tomb very early on the first day of the week, they found the tomb empty, and an angel declared to them that Jesus had risen. (Mark 16:1-8).
The above events fulfil three full nights and three full days in the tomb as declared by Jesus in Matthew 12:40. It fits with the events described in the gospels and aligns with the Jewish feasts commanded in scripture.
In conclusion, the Bible does not explicitly declare the exact day of the crucifixion of Jesus. However, the several scenarios we discussed help us understand the statement of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 and its fulfilment.
(https://endofthematter.com/2022/02/wa...)
Okay, So we are discussing whether the 'time span' as in Matthew 12;40 fits exactly the timespan of Jesus (PBUH) in the grave. We also have to remember that crucifixion is an important part of Christianity and it's connected to your understanding of salvation. We can go far than that to say that it's the basis of your salvation. So something that's got to do with salvation cannot be contradictory and confusing. It has to be clear and concise. Even here in your response, you have mentioned these contradictions yourself.I would say that you cannot bring up 'Jewish day' here as Jesus (PBUH) clearly is not speaking of 'a day' here as in Jewish tradition. He distinguishes between day and night as he says 'three days and three nights' specifically. Not less than that nor more than that. And as this is the 'only sign', it has to be accurate and should have been proven true by those things becoming fulfilled. And if that was indeed a great sign it should have been recorded in the bible accurately and in detail.
You ended with your opinion that it was on Wednesday that Jesus (pbuh) was crucified but there are a lot of other Christians that say otherwise as you yourself have stated. You also say that the bible does not explicitly declare the day which could also be applied to the Wednesday theory. And I slightly disagree because the bible says that it was on the day before sabbath as you acknowledged.
Yet even if we look past the 'timespan' we can say that Jonah (pbuh) was alive all the time while as you say Jesus (pbuh) was crucified. Jonah's (pbuh) sign is a sign because he was alive, you know.
Also, why are Christians celebrating Good Friday and not Good Wednesday if that is the case? And, if I may ask, when did Christians start to say it was a Wednesday?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOYGe...Is Jesus Prophet Or Son Of God? I Shabir Ally Vs Douglas Jacoby
