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Good point. Not sure about the quarter mile deep for the Pilbara but those minerals probably were not available in the Jurassic, in part because some of the areas would have been under water. If all that dirt has been removed, presumably so would most signs of whatever was going on on land, however we still find fossils from the period. The question then is, what could be fossilized? A vehicle driven off a road into a muddy swamp/lake?
A five million year old basement filled with mudstone and clumps of metal oxides would be obvious. But the truth is there are big grey areas and holes where a civilization could just disappear. For instance, a small, neolithic population that endured for about 100,000 years in late Cretaceous Australia and Antarctica would probably not be well represented. If we did find a few stone tools, they would be assumed to be the result of natural processes.
Oddly enough, stone tools would probably last better than most, but first, wherever they were may well be underwater now, as when some land goes up, others go down. However, the very early stone tool-making may not qualify as civilisation??I know there was a lot of talk once that animals like the Troodon might well have evolved into something more civilised, as their brains were larger compared with body size and they had hands, but that was very late Cretaceous. That made the substance for one of my SF stories. However, I am fairly sure it didn't happen
Ian wrote: "Oddly enough, stone tools would probably last better than most, but first, wherever they were may well be underwater now, as when some land goes up, others go down. However, the very early stone to..."I said "neolithic". Old Kingdom Egypt was neolithic. Did they not qualify as a civilization?
While you're on flooded civilizations, I should point out that we humans tend to like coastlines, and what were the coasts during the last ice age are now under the oceans.
You are correct that Egypt started neolithic, but how much would we know of them if they had stopped about the time they started using copper? The use of copper was replaced by bronze around 3150 BC so copper tools occurred much earlier than that.On the other hand, I recall that a stone mill has been found near Jericho, so yes, that would last. We have only found one, so they are not common.
Stone tools are somewhat distinctive. I recall seeing a collection of them from Neanderthals in a French museum, and since we see a range of Jurassic deposits with skeletons, etc, the absent of any such stone tools is at least suggestive of no earlier civilisation. But there is no answer to the response, we haven't looked everywhere.
Occasionally, we find out just how little we know about our own ancient history.Gobekli Tepe: The World’s First Temple?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...
This massive complex was built by paleolithic people. That means a pre-Agricultural Revolution, hunter-gatherer society.
My guess is they could never start with that. There will have been many smaller temples and so on.The very first major ones may well be the caves with the drawings of animals, etc.
Ian wrote: "My guess is they could never start with that. There will have been many smaller temples and so on.The very first major ones may well be the caves with the drawings of animals, etc."
The interesting point is that this was built thousands of years before the pyramids and we had no clue. I wonder what else is hidden beneath the sands of time.
On a fun note:The Ghosts of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/pre...
Do you believe in ghosts?👻
I thought I saw my grandmother's ghost the night after her death. I really don't know about whether they exist. Maybe I just wanted to see her again.
I know the feeling. When my father died, I had the task of clearing out his garage, which he used for doing a lot of repair work and had some moderate engineering stuff and a lot of tools. While trying to sort through some stuff, I could swear from peripheral vision I saw a dark shape watching me but when I looked directly, the shape flitted away. Since both parents had died at the same time, my mother effectively willing herself to die, I was in an awful emotional state, and it could easily have been imaginary.
How did we miss this?Human click-based echolocation: Effects of blindness and age, and real-life implications in a 10-week training program
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
They were able to train blind people to navigate like bats.
I was shaving one morning years ago, when I became aware of the image of a childhood friend, smiling. I stared at the mirror and the image was clear, then faded quickly. A few hours later my mother called from a thousand miles away to tell me that person had died the night before. Probably coincidence but I hadn't thought of that person for a long time. Perhaps he just dropped by to say goodbye.
A few days ago, I was sitting in the back yard when I got the sensation that something was watching me. I looked over my left shoulder and, about 20 yds away, I saw a doe's head peeking out around the corner of the house. She took a couple of steps forward into the yard. We regarded each other for a few minutes. Then she stepped off into the woods.Now that I've had time to think about it, I'm wondering what is that feeling of being watched? I've felt it many times before. And while I didn't always find the eyes that I could feel on me, I often did.
I imagine that such a sense would be an evolutionary advantage, but how does it work? Is my subconscious picking up subtle clues, and triggering an emotional response? Or is there something else happening? What do y'all think? Have any of y'all gotten that creeping sensation of being watched?
In the example I gave above, it was either imagination, or something was absorbing background radiation. With the doe example, could you have heard something but not really registered the sound consciously?
James wrote: "I was shaving one morning years ago, when I became aware of the image of a childhood friend, smiling. I stared at the mirror and the image was clear, then faded quickly. A few hours later my mother..."An interesting experience, no doubt
Don't remember experiencing a feeling of being watched, but I do think some of us have different extrasensory capabilities, which could maybe be enhanced or developed in all of us...
Our ‘human hobbit ancestors’ could be hiding in Indonesia, experts sayhttps://nypost.com/2022/04/26/our-hum...
UFO over Des Moines?https://youtu.be/Ol-lmzU1xi8
Or is it reinforcing a particular confirmation bias by presenting laughable items as representative of the topic then lampooning said item?
Can you get a feeling about a house, whether someone is at home or if it's abandoned? Do you trust your gut when you come across a new person? I recently parked at the library and was about to get out of my car when a woman knocked on my window. She didn't back up to give me room to get out of the car, so I backed up and left. Maybe she was harmless, but I got a bad vibe.
Scout wrote: "Can you get a feeling about a house, whether someone is at home or if it's abandoned? Do you trust your gut when you come across a new person? I recently parked at the library and was about to get ..."The woman who knocked on your window got closer than three feet and surprised you. That would put off most people.
Usually, if someone is living in a house there will be signs even if they're squatting.
As for first impressions, we subconsciously pick up on tons of little things like dress, grooming, tics, and other tells. If you want to take a few steps down the rabbit hole, many, if not most, of us have one or more vestigial Jacobson's Organs and there are several studies which claim to have isolated human pheromones. The Jacobson's Organ detects pheromones. (When a cat curls its upper lip, it's using its Jacobson's Organs.) And pheromones are air born proteins which trigger hormonal responses in sensitive organisms. So it is possible that some people are having unconscious emotional reactions to the scentless chemicals that we regularly secrete in our sweat.
Alex Jones Claims Aliens Want to Make Humans Into 'Cyborg Slaves of Satan'https://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-c...
Interesting, J., Jacobson's Organs. I'm going to look that up. Thanks.
Scout wrote: "Interesting, J., Jacobson's Organs. I'm going to look that up. Thanks."The Human Vomeronasal (Jacobson’s) Organ: A Short Review of Current Conceptions, With an English Translation of Potiquet’s Original Text
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti....
Uh Nik, is there something you would like to tell us?Russia Says It’s Losing Because Ukraine Has Experimental Mutant Troops Created in Secret Biolabs
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-...
As someone with a titanium rod in my hip and a screw in a feet, I can maybe qualify for a cyborg.They can’t admit that they’d attacked a peaceful country for a grab, so they invent stories as justifications for invasion and failures of their “great” army and further feeding them. They cater for all categories: from intellectuals, who are unlikely to believe their bullshit, to fringes, who might buy this and similar stories. Having no alternative sources of info, many believe
Um Nik, Russia isn't the only place that publishes stupidity.
Ian wrote: "Um Nik, Russia isn't the only place that publishes stupidity."On this one, I'm giving the edge to Ukraine.
Considering the tactical situation, I would be surprised if Ukrainian soldiers didn't have a high usage of amphetamines to keep fighting and sleeping pills to get sleep when they can. Steroids and analgesics would also be common.
The Red Army is now, has been, and will probably always be run on vodka. Considering the massively corrupted logistical system, I would expect a ton of black market intoxicants. And if anyone was going to dust off some bizarre "super soldier" program from the Cold War it would be the Russian military.
While we're near the subject of military weirdness...THE PENTAGON'S TWILIGHT ZONE
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archiv...
Sildenafil accelerates reentrainment of circadian rhythms after advancing light scheduleshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
TL;DR: Scientists gave Viagra to hamsters and found out that it helps with jet lag.
‘They look almost human-made’: NOAA finds weird lines of holes in mid-Atlantic floorhttps://www.seattletimes.com/nation-w...
This should creep out a few of you.Necrobotics: Biotic Materials as Ready-to-Use Actuators
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...
Thursday August the 4th, 2022 will be the 60th anniversary of the death of Marilyn Monroe. The official cause of death was suicide/accidental overdose. There remain many questions. Let's look at some of those questions with former mafioso Michael Franzese https://youtu.be/wMSghTQ7JxQ
Disembodied pig brains revived: Your questions answeredhttps://www.nature.com/articles/d4158...
They literally kept brains alive in fluid filled bags.
I looked at some of these. You lost me at spiders with one of them. The one about Marilyn provided no definitive answers, but I can see how something like that could have happened. Like many stars, she was so isolated from anyone who really cared about her. The woman always loses out when involved with powerful men. Look at Monica, an intern with no power who was involved with a president. He denied her and suffered no repercussions, while she was reviled and her reputation ruined. Although today I think he's seen for the horn dog he was.
The Drunken Monkey Hypothesis: Was Booze An Advantage For Our Ancestors?https://www.discovermagazine.com/plan...
The tropical forest argument may not be the only option. I recall seeing a drunken elephant in Sth Africa. There was a special fruit tree that drops its fruit and elephants go crazy over it, but that tree is more in the drier thorn-bush terrain. There are arguments that Sth Africa and the drier East Africa might have been where it all started. But alcohol can occur there too.
Giant Squid With Fist-Sized Beak Discovered Washed Up on Beachhttps://www.newsweek.com/giant-squid-...
Look-alike humans identified by facial recognition algorithms show genetic similaritieshttps://www.cell.com/cell-reports/ful...
Should help dictators searching for doppelgängers :)
J. wrote: "Look-alike humans identified by facial recognition algorithms show genetic similaritieshttps://www.cell.com/cell-reports/ful..."
This seems almost expected. Thinking about facial recognition and dna similarities, they make me wonder how secure or reliable facial recognition software used for iPhones and the like are. What if a doppelgänger attempted to access your accounts this way? It sounds like it would make an interesting story!
Nik wrote: "Should help dictators searching for doppelgängers :)"It's more akin to the genetic dice landing on top of each other.
If you're interested in body doubles, meet Latif Yahia.
https://youtu.be/vuoWKn0sXfo
Vicki wrote: "J. wrote: "Look-alike humans identified by facial recognition algorithms show genetic similaritieshttps://www.cell.com/cell-reports/ful..."
This seems almost expected. Thi..."
It gets a bit weirder than that. The unrelated look-alike pairs showed significant behavioral similarities to each other. So, how much of your personality is born of your DNA? If it is a significant portion, how similar would a clone's personality be to his/her progenitor?
Vicki wrote: "...What if a doppelgänger attempted to access your accounts this way? It sounds like it would make an interesting story!"It has possibilities. Please, let us know if you write it.
J. wrote: "Vicki wrote: "J. wrote: "Look-alike humans identified by facial recognition algorithms show genetic similaritieshttps://www.cell.com/cell-reports/ful..."
This seems almost..."
DNA connected to behavior isn’t new in some areas. Some countries matchmake based on the individuals blood type, claiming each blood type has distinct temperaments, similar to horoscopes. This is also a nod at the nature portion of nature v nurture. Interesting!
Bigfoot has been ‘spotted’ more than 100 times in North Carolina, Bigfoot Field Researchers sayhttps://myfox8.com/offbeat/bigfoot-ha...
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The Silurian hypothesis: would it be possible to detect an industrial civilization in the geological record?
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The metal sources which you mentioned are important because erosion made them easily available at a time and place where our ancestors were able to use them.
If we turn back the clock, those resources would have been buried much deeper. Consider the Australian iron deposits which are driving much of the Pacific economy. The deposits were laid down during the Great Oxygenation Event, about 2 billion years ago. Then the formation was slowly buried by sediment. If you had gone looking for that Australian iron in the mid-Jurassic, it would have been buried a quarter mile beneath the surface. It has taken millions of years of erosion to make the formation accessible to us now.