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J. wrote: "I'm not sure that being froze for hundreds to thousands of years is a great way to travel. You won't rot because at those temperatures because you are nearly chemically inert. But nuclear decay doe..."Not sure how you wake up dead :-) However, there is a further problem: chemistry. At very low temperatures quantum tunneling still applies so chemical reactions continue, and these, following the second law of thermodynamics, try to increase the entropy. You could be resurrected as "soup and bone". This problem is overcome for the living by repair mechanisms, and the entropy issue is overcome buy doing what chemists call work on the system, i.e. there is an energy input to overcome the entropic decay. But if you are frozen, no energy input.
A further problem arises because your cells are full of water, which expands on freezing, thus rupturing cells. More soup!
Nik wrote: "J. wrote: "...You are constantly hit with low level background radiation. In fact, you are yourself very slightly radioactive...."Me personally, I'm radiation proof by Chernobyl :)
When one of th..."
For hundreds of thousands of years? Mind you, one proposal has been to send lots of embryos, or even sperm and eggs, and have robots to raise the offspring and educate them.
I still think a massive habitat, where generations live and die en route, or travelling at near light speed, is more hopeful.
Nik, those embryos are small clumps of undifferentiated stem cells which are flash frozen for a few years. They are not complex organisms kept on ice for centuries.Ian, I agree that controlling crystal growth is the first hurdle.
As for the actual way in which one wakes up dead, gentlemen, meet Hisashi Ouchi.
https://youtu.be/2Y-I5BbjwNI
That nightmare is what a successfully frozen and thawed traveler could wake-up to after a couple of centuries on ice.
Ian wrote: "I still think a massive habitat, where generations live and die en route, or travelling at near light speed, is more hopeful."Traveling at velocities near light speed would certainly cut your travel time. But it would kill you. The Doppler Effect would blue shift the light from everything in front of you up into the gamma range.
Yeah, I know, too early to jump for joy, however the link mentions that about 200(?) dudes have undertaken that journeys, let’s see what befalls them when they wake and whether long term preservation works. Of course, there are other prospective options for resurrection from even a small piece of biomaterial, as you’d brought our attention earlier to mammoths 🦣
J. wrote: "Ian wrote: "I still think a massive habitat, where generations live and die en route, or travelling at near light speed, is more hopeful."Traveling at velocities near light speed would certainly ..."
Interesting point. The Doppler effect increases the frequency, which means more photons hit you, but since the energy is proportional to frequency, the energy per photon should stay the same (otherwise you are creating energy from nothing). The ship still sees the photons arriving at velocity c, so while there are more of them, they should not be any more penetrative.
On the other hand, reflection is never perfect, so the number absorbed would go up with the frequency, and would heat the metal at the front of the ship. The front of the ship would boil away! You still die.
That's all very interesting. Maybe Nik had the best idea of resurrecting from DNA, but that would require robots with the ability to do so after a prolonged journey. What do you think?
That would be plausible. There is a TV series "Raised by Wolves" that follows that assumption. Whether robots could last tens of thousands of years and still work is questionable, so maybe an increase in speed to relativistic velocities is also necessary.
That was proposed in 2015 based on the elliptical orbits of about 5 objects. Much more recently, more objects have been found with elliptical orbits, and they don't fit with that hypothesis. It appears that the first analysis was based on an unfortunate choice of objects in a rather narrow part of the sky.For what it is worth, in my ebook "Planetary Formation and Biogenesis", I show a mechanism that predicts where the current four giants are, roughly what their sizes are, and what the properties of each set of moons are (although in fairness we only know enough about Jovian and Saturnian moons for this to be significant). The same mechanism permits a further smaller planet at about 100 AU.
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Nik wrote: "Yeah, I know, too early to jump for joy, however the link mentions that about 200(?) dudes have undertaken that journeys, let’s see what befalls them when they wake and whether long term preservati..."Personally I think it is all snake oil.
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Ian wrote: "That would be plausible. There is a TV series "Raised by Wolves" that follows that assumption. Whether robots could last tens of thousands of years and still work is questionable, so maybe an incre..."HBO made the first episode free on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/YIAIiw8UAfA
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J. wrote: "Chernobyl’s Radiation Turned Its Local Frogs Blackhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscie..."
Let's see whether russian soldiers stationed in Chernobyl contamination zone in March will ever turn back human
Many fell ill with radiation sickness, in fact their illnesses started while deployed and the fact they fell ill was one consideration in Russia's withdrawl from Kyiv. I don't know how many have died so far but estimated 60% illness rates among the unit which foolishly entrenched itself in radioactive waste.
Does the language you speak limit your ability to think and even to perceive reality?The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis and Probabilistic Inference: Evidence from the Domain of Color
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
Regarding message 224, that's very interesting, the horizontal transfer of genes, maybe due to viruses. Think about that in terms of how we've always viewed evolution and how maybe there's another way to look at it.
Couldn't get that last article. Maybe you could summarize, J.?
Scout wrote: "Couldn't get that last article. Maybe you could summarize, J.?"The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis posits that language shapes thought on a neurological level.
You know that voice in your head? That is your stream of consciousness. What language does it speak? It matters because different languages contain or omit their own sets of concepts based on myriads of factors. Therefore it is possible that there are concepts which you can't properly understand because those concepts don't exist in your language.
Most anthropologists consider this to be axiomatic with regard to abstracts. But language shapes the very structure of your brain, so some posit that your language directly impacts your ability to interpret reality on a basic level. One of the battlegrounds of this debate is color. For instance, there have been a few who claimed that the Ancient Greeks couldn't see the color blue because they didn't have a word for blue. While that is extreme, and probably BS, there have been several ethnographies relating how many jungle tribes have no difficulty discerning between subtly different shades of green which looked identical to non-tribe members.
The linked study sought to quantify language impacts on color by studying how people speaking different languages remember colors. The study showed a statistically interesting corollation.
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Professor Laura Mersini-Houghton speaking at the Royal Institute on the origins of our universe in the multiverse:https://youtu.be/GYVg50_w1UA
Not sure I understand that. To say "It was x nanoseconds" is meaningless if you don't have a "then-1" and a "then-2".The measurements are not also susceptible to interference by phase tethering also. Thus the state n=72 can be held indefinitely by microwaves of a certain frequency.
Ian, if it helps, the underlying study if linked in post 233.Good to hear from you, Philip. Please feel free to keep posting.
J. wrote: "Ian, if it helps, the underlying study if linked in post 233.Good to hear from you, Philip. Please feel free to keep posting."
J., I read post 233, and was commenting on it. My concern is that Rydberg states are really metastable, like a pencil standing upright on the table. Any influence knocks it over, but equally coordinated influences can correct the transition, like a hand righting the pencil if it gets out of balance. That is effectively what phase tethering is. Thus the tendency of a Rydberg state to collapse does depend to some extent on its environment and I doubt all the environmental effects have been properly considered. Since the transition is electromagnetic, for example, has the effect of the planet's magnetic field strength at different locations been accounted for? Maybe this makes no difference, but since it is environmental perturbations that influence the transition, I would be uncomfortable with that as a time-measurement device, at least with our current state of knowledge.
While filming a documentary about the Bermuda Triangle, a crew from the History Channel found a piece of the space shuttle Challenger.https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/10/world/...
Ian wrote: "High quality milk??"Appropriate pun 🐮🤫
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J. wrote: "FBI, Air Force Agents Mysteriously Raid House of Guy Who Runs Area 51 Bloghttps://gizmodo.com/ufo-dreamland-res..."
Not sure what the mystery is. The guy probably exposed some official fibs once too many times :-(
Ian wrote: "J. wrote: "FBI, Air Force Agents Mysteriously Raid House of Guy Who Runs Area 51 Bloghttps://gizmodo.com/ufo-dreamland-res..."
Not sure what the myste..."
If it was in his blog, then it had to be something subtle. Given that he was documenting current events at Dreamland, I'm wondering if one of his pics caught a Ukrainian pilot or drone operator training.
I was wondering if he caught something that he should not have. I really do not like the idea he cannot see the search warrant unredacted.
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Me personally, I'm radiation proof by Chernobyl :)
When one of those already "sleeping beauties" wakes up, we'll appraise the damage, if any. Seems to preserve embryos fine..