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Oh, he's my hero. I can't wait to desecrate his grave...Why scientists dug up the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel, and analyzed his DNA
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...
The phrase "otherwise financially sane people" caught my eye. Lots of otherwise financially sane people have invested in schemes by very questionable people - Bernie Madoff, Anna Delvey, Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman-Fried, et. al. Trying to make that quick buck. That's what always lures them in.
Monkeys made stone tools 50,000 years ago that were discovered in Brazil - studyhttps://www.jpost.com/archaeology/art...
We should maybe ready ourselves for the first contact 👽👾🛸
If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think that they are interested in formal diplomatic relations, peaceful or otherwise. No, I think that they come here to see what the monkeys are doing now.
If there are space faring aliens, it would make sense for them to monitor our technology and our society, in case we become a future problem for them. There might come a point where they deal with the problem while they still can easily.
J. wrote: "If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think that they are interested in formal diplomatic relations, peaceful or otherwise. No, I think that they come here to see what the monkeys a..."Why? Three of them are dead now and the fourth is old....8^)
Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think that they are interested in formal diplomatic relations, peaceful or otherwise. No, I think that they come here to see what th..."Roswell?
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think that they are interested in formal diplomatic relations, peaceful or otherwise. No, I think that they come ..."No, look at what you wrote.
Oh, the band.They really could do better.
Maybe they’ll open their first embassy with the dolphins 🐬
Papaphilly wrote: "Or the whales."I was expecting a Dan Marino joke.
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Or the whales."I was expecting a Dan Marino joke."
Actually did not cross my mind...
Aaron Rodgers Narrates His Spine-Chilling Encounter With a Mysterious ‘Hat Man’ During His Trip to Peru: “Veiled by Darkness Holding the Corpse of a Dead…”https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl...
A celebrity who literally has more money than brains due to repeated head injuries went on a bad trip. That's not particularly interesting. But it is interesting that archetypes like "Hat Man" are so common.
My guess is he did not take the purple, but was an imperator. During turbulent times, successful generals had to control reasonably large areas and if the Roman Treasury was lax in supplying money to maintain the army, the generals more or less operated independently. At the very least, if he took the purple there would be \an AVG to go with IMP.Unfortunately, they did not show the obverse. That should offer more clues.
59 yo wrote: "Hi"Ave. What's weird in your neck of the woods?
Australia's 'Toadzilla': Record-breaking cane toad found in Queenslandhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-austra...
Ian wrote: "My guess is he did not take the purple, but was an imperator. During turbulent times, successful generals had to control reasonably large areas and if the Roman Treasury was lax in supplying money ..."During the Crisis of the Third Century he may well have claimed the purple, and been ignored by the rest of the empire.
I skimmed through the study, but I couldn't find a picture or description of the obverse sides. They did list the museum catalog numbers, so they may be posted on the collection's website.
I finally found one picture of an obverse, which is Republican style, the coin was cast, not struck, so maybe an older coin provided the mould for the obverse. There was a VG written, but no A, which suggests a temptation to fool people, but as far as we can tell it is gold and apparently a little more than usual for a double aureus, so it is hardly likely to be a counterfeit.The evidence is consistent with his not taking the purple but rather being a local "war lord", but that is not definitive. My conclusion is I don't know but I suspect not.
Scout wrote: "That's all very interesting. Maybe Nik had the best idea of resurrecting from DNA, but that would require robots with the ability to do so after a prolonged journey. What do you think?"I've been thinking about this conversation and I'm wondering if the solution isn't to lie to your colonists.
Sending genetic data with which to clone your colonists at their new home is statistically the best option and it makes travel time largely irrelevant. However the colony would lose the training, experience, and culture of the group which sent the ship. But what if we could make the colonists believe they are the original group?
Let's say it's possible to digitally record memories from a donor. We could send the "colonist's" genetic data along with a digital copy of their mind which has been altered to believe they were frozen for the trip.
A ship full of these clones could arrive at the planet with all of the donors' training, experience, and culture. They would transplant the original society far more accurately than machine educated clones or a generation ship ever could. And they would do so happily, perhaps millennia after their progenitors had died of old age.
Surgeons extract condom-wrapped banana man ate in ‘hormonal rage’ fithttps://nypost.com/2023/01/27/man-ate...
J. wrote: "Scout wrote: "That's all very interesting. Maybe Nik had the best idea of resurrecting from DNA, but that would require robots with the ability to do so after a prolonged journey. What do you think..."I think it would be easier to simply send memory banks full of cultural information. The robots could play the information on selected devices. Seeing a video is just as good as some artificial memory, and it would be a lot easier to do.
The alternative is to accelerate to sufficiently close to light speed that the flight only takes a few weeks. You may have to go at relativistic speeds anyway because DNA is not indefinitely stable.
Does having a teen feel like living with a chimpanzee? You may not be far off, study showshttps://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health...
We have a few parents in the group. Any of you want to comment?
Ian wrote: "J. wrote: "Scout wrote: "That's all very interesting. Maybe Nik had the best idea of resurrecting from DNA, but that would require robots with the ability to do so after a prolonged journey. What d..."Two points:
1.) DNA has a half life which is a concern for slow boat time scales. But if it's converted to computer data, it is as durable as the ship(s).
2.) Having AIs teach our culture to the clones is like us teaching children about the Roman Republic. The kids may know about the subject, but they have no emotional connection to it beyond their potential animosity towards the teachers. Which is better motivated, the clone who was taught about Marius by the Teach-O-Matic or the clone who was programmed to believe he is Marius?
Computer data is indeed stable, but the nucleobases and ribose/deoxyribose are not. How do you make the DNA there requiring millions of units to be in exactly the right place?Why is a clone teaching? The computer can do that well enough on its own, although you would need an android at least to ensure the children are looked after physically. Emotional well-being may be a real problem.
I see this topic has strayed a bit.....@J: People connect through their inclination.
"Having AIs teach our culture to the clones is like us teaching children about the Roman Republic. The kids may know about the subject, but they have no emotional connection to it beyond their potential animosity towards the teachers."
Ian wrote: "Computer data is indeed stable, but the nucleobases and ribose/deoxyribose are not. How do you make the DNA there requiring millions of units to be in exactly the right place?Why is a clone teach..."
We're already replicating DNA sequences from scratch using electronic templates.
Synthetic DNA Synthesis and Assembly: Putting the Synthetic in Synthetic Biology
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Where did I write about clones teaching clones?
A NASA spacecraft discovers a formation on Mars resembling a bearhttps://www.npr.org/2023/01/29/115235...
I wonder if there's a connection...
Cocaine Bear
https://kyforky.com/blogs/journal/coc...
J. wrote: "Ian wrote: "Computer data is indeed stable, but the nucleobases and ribose/deoxyribose are not. How do you make the DNA there requiring millions of units to be in exactly the right place?Why is a..."
That is an interesting link, but they are not there yet. The way I read it is they are getting DNA fragments but not the full DNA. Also, of course, there is more to a cell than DNA. You need the battery of RNA, enzymes, cofactors, cell walls, etc to get the cell to do anything.
As for cones teaching clones, I may have misread. What I read was "the clone who was programmed to believe he is Marius". Unless the clone was demented, a quick look out the window would convince him he wasn't, so I assumed that referred to the clone teaching, but on re-reading I see that does not have to follow, although I am still not quite sure what that meant. :-)
Ian wrote: "As for cones teaching clones, I may have misread. What I read was "the clone who was programmed to believe he is Marius". Unless the clone was demented..."Cones?!
(Coneheads image: https://media.movieassets.com/static/... ...notice the 7127...71...51...5...5 - more fnordism)
J's response portrayed the, and perhaps his own, oft human experience of indignance in light of oneself......
Ian,I was following up on the Roman Republic analogy by pointing out that a clone who was programmed to believe his/herself a citizen of a distant society is far more likely to be friendly towards said society than a clone who was only taught about said society.
If you're concerned about possible future relations with the colony, such sentiments are important.
Engineering Cyborg Bacteria Through Intracellular Hydrogelationhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...
No knowing where that will go, but it may take a while to find out.
Ian wrote: "I read somewhere they have reconstructed the DNA of a Dodo. Resurrection on the cards??"A 'De-Extinction' Company Wants to Bring Back the Dodo
https://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
Music-induced context preference following cocaine conditioning in ratshttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21688...
No one can stay in the quietest room in the world for more than an hourhttps://nypost.com/2023/02/02/inside-...
They'd be interested in the truly dominant species... the ants, whowill probably be around long after we primates are gone.
J. wrote: "If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think that they are interested in formal diplomatic relations, peaceful or otherwise. No, I think that they come here to see what the monkeys a..."
James wrote: "They'd be interested in the truly dominant species... the ants, whowill probably be around long after we primates are gone.
J. wrote: "If there are space faring aliens visiting us, I don't think..."
I wonder, would aliens view an ant colony as a collection of closely related organisms or as a single organism made up of many specialized bodies?
J. wrote: "No one can stay in the quietest room in the world for more than an hourhttps://nypost.com/2023/02/02/inside-..."
Wonder what they have built it for
@James: ah, an old-school self-deprecating human?Re - quietest (notice it didn't say ''more quiet'') room: I imagine someone can withstand it. Having such quiet quarters I often hear a light ringing, I might.
J. wrote: I wonder, would aliens view an ant colony as a collection of closely related organisms or as a single organism made up of many specialized bodies?"
Depends which episode of [the original] The Outer Limits you watch.
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