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I've been looking forward to this one. I haven't read any Arthurian stuff before and somebody recommended this to me.

I love Arthurian tales! I read this one as a teen and re-read it earlier this year and enjoyed it!
I'm about a hundred pages in, reading about Merlin's youth. I'm enjoying it so far.
So I'm not really familiar with Arthurian legend except from various movies. I saw that Green Knight movie. Weird.
Does anybody know what's the earliest work it's all derived from?
So I'm not really familiar with Arthurian legend except from various movies. I saw that Green Knight movie. Weird.
Does anybody know what's the earliest work it's all derived from?
One of the earlier works is Le Morte D'arthur by Thomas Malory, written in 1485.
Howvever, I recently finished Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach and Arthur(called Artus) is mentioned as well as the knights of the round table. This was written well before the Malory version.
Howvever, I recently finished Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach and Arthur(called Artus) is mentioned as well as the knights of the round table. This was written well before the Malory version.

The other one I remember reading is The Once and Future King which I loved when I was fifteen. I've never read the older ones.
I finished. Thought it was a great interpretation of the myth.
Another series I have to finish...
Another series I have to finish...


I think I remember more of The Wicked Day which is from Mordred's perspective because I absolutely adored it. Has anyone given the book a read? I think it's a companion to the series but it can be read as a standalone.

I enjoyed it when I was in my Arthurian stage, but have never read the fourth one because my mother didn't get that one. By the time I heard about it, I was no longer interested in Arthurian novels.
I've only read the first three, many years ago. The first two I really enjoyed. The third not so much.


It's definitely classic fantasy with a mysterious magic system, a strong contrast between good and evil characters, and well used tropes such as the old wise character who guides the young Merlin (Galapas).
I found it interesting that Merlin seemed to be driven more at times by obedience than virtue. Though he is a very virtuous character (refusing the advances of the young nun as well as being kind to Dinais on his return), he obeys the various kings he encounters rather than preaches virtue to them. His wits also protect him more than good magic.
There is plenty of action so the pacing is good. I really enjoyed this
I didn't really see it as good and evil. Merlin knows he has a destiny to fulfil and he goes along with the kings to do what he needs to do.

Yes I'd say Galapas, Ambrosius, and Merlin are virtuous and all the character are flawed. Again, it reminds me of ASOIAF.
I understand the original legends had a more straight good and evil theme but I thought this story was meant to make it more realistic and human while keeping a few minor magical elements.
I didn't understand why there was a scene of him saying no to sex. In the back of my book the author's note says:
"There is so strong a connection in literature(and indeed history) between celibacy, or virginity, and power, that I have thought it reasonable to insist on Merlin's virginity."
I understand the original legends had a more straight good and evil theme but I thought this story was meant to make it more realistic and human while keeping a few minor magical elements.
I didn't understand why there was a scene of him saying no to sex. In the back of my book the author's note says:
"There is so strong a connection in literature(and indeed history) between celibacy, or virginity, and power, that I have thought it reasonable to insist on Merlin's virginity."

I understand the original legends had a more straight good and evil theme b..."
Interesting!

I enjoyed the pace and the characters and although I I sometimes found the descriptions of locations and journeys boring and hard to follow but overall the writing was good.
It would have been good if the female characters were more fleshed out but this was written in the early 70s so I will give some it some slack.
I look forward to continuing the series.
Jess wrote: "This was my first time reading this series of author. I've always enjoyed Arthurian media but don't think I've actually ever read a proper Arthurian book until now.
I enjoyed the pace and the cha..."
Same. I've never read Arthurian legend and I look forward to reading the rest of this series...some day. lol
Yeah, maybe Guinevere will be a better female character.
I enjoyed the pace and the cha..."
Same. I've never read Arthurian legend and I look forward to reading the rest of this series...some day. lol
Yeah, maybe Guinevere will be a better female character.
Books mentioned in this topic
The Wicked Day (other topics)The Once and Future King (other topics)
Arthurian Romances (other topics)
Le Morte D'Arthur, Volume I (other topics)
The Once and Future King (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Thomas Malory (other topics)Wolfram von Eschenbach (other topics)