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message 1: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (last edited Aug 31, 2023 05:53PM) (new)

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In September and October we will be reading and discussing the works of two German authors: Friedrich Schiller Friedrich Schiller and Friedrich Nietzsche Friedrich Nietzsche .

Schiller wrote ballads and poems. His poem An die Freude is featured in Beethoven's 9th Symphony. He was a prolific playwright, with many of his plays converted to operas. He was also well-known for his aesthetic writings.
Schiller had a close friendship with Goethe, but unfortunately Schiller died at a fairly young age, while Goethe lived to a good age.

Nietzsche was a poet as well as a philosopher, who had mental health issues as he grew older.
His famous work, Also Sprach Zarathustra, inspired the composer Richard Strauss. The opening bars of Strauss's work are used in the Stanley Kubrick film, 2001: A Space Odyssey.


message 2: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

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Which books are you planning to read this month?

If you're looking for a good introduction to Schiller's plays, I recommend my favourite-Wilhelm Tell.


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Nidhi Kumari | 320 comments I will be reading both these authors for the first time. I will start with The Birth of Tragedy by Friedrich Nietzsche and some poems and ballads by Friedrich Schiller.

Has anyone read Nietzsche? Which book you would recommend to a beginner?


message 4: by Manuel (new)

Manuel Campinas | 2 comments @Nidhi start with On the Genealogy of Morals, it will give you a good intro to Nietzsche's views before jumping into Thus Spoke Zarathustra.


message 5: by Nidhi (new)

Nidhi Kumari | 320 comments Thanks for the recommendation Manuel. I will start soon.


message 6: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

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My avatar this month is a statue of Schiller and Goethe in Weimar, Germany.


message 7: by Piyangie, Classical Princess (new)

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I'm planning to read Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche. It's my first Nietzsche, so looking forward to reading it. Bought a penguin hardback; one of the few hardbacks I own.


message 8: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (last edited Sep 10, 2023 10:18AM) (new)

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I liked that one, Piyangie.


message 9: by PlotTwist (last edited Sep 11, 2023 09:18PM) (new)

PlotTwist | 9 comments I am planning to read Beyond Good and Evil as well.


message 10: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | 126 comments Penguin has published "Aphorisms on love and hate" by Nietzsche. This book of only 50 pages may appeal to readers with a limited taste for philosophy, who may be daunted by the heavier tomes.


message 11: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

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Thanks for the info, Bernard.


message 12: by John (new)

John R Thanks for that tip, Bernard - In the same range and for the same price, they also have "Why I am so Clever" by Nietzsche - and that sounds like the Nietzsche we know and love!

Both are 99p for Kindle in the UK.


message 13: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | 126 comments The books that John and I referred to are in the Penguin Modern Classics range of over 100 works, worth looking into.

Nietzsche was certainly clever, but perhaps TOO clever for his own good.


message 14: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | 126 comments CORRECTION: Not Penguin MODERN Classics, as it includes Chaucer! Actually Penguin LITTLE BLACK Classics.


message 15: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

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I've just finished one of Schiller's earliest works, a gothic story unlike anything Schiller wrote afterwards-Der Geisterseher. Aus Den Memoiren Des Grafen Von O**/The Ghost-seer. It reminds of the stories of E.T.A. Hoffmann, and is set in Venice during the times of the Inquisition.
Not typical Schiller at all!


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Mathew | 6 comments Just started Ecco Homo myself, I think it’s the only thing by Nietzsche I haven’t read


message 18: by Luís (new)

Luís (blue_78) | 4614 comments Mathew wrote: "Just started Ecco Homo myself, I think it’s the only thing by Nietzsche I haven’t read"

I've read it already. I'm not too fond of Nietzsche sometimes.


message 19: by Mathew (new)

Mathew | 6 comments I find that he helps me think even though I find myself disagreeing with him (i.e. I’m a Catholic and I love Plato, he said rather anti-Christian/Catholic and anti-Plato stuff, but he’s still interesting to read).


message 20: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | 126 comments Someone who is anti Catholicism and anti Platonism cannot be all good.


message 21: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

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Nietzsche also had some mental health problems, Bernard.


message 22: by Luís (new)

Luís (blue_78) | 4614 comments I will start Aphorisms on Love and Hate right away.


message 23: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 15662 comments Mod
Good to know, Luis.


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