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message 251: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
I understand the need for keeping various populations down for safety reasons all round. I still don't like it but I get it. It's doing it for sport and then sticking it up on a wall somewhere and saying 'look what I did.' To be honest I don't really understand the need for taxidermy. Having a loved pet or whatever preserved, stuffed whatever you want to call it strikes me as a little weird. I mean no offence, so please don't be offended anyone. These ads just my thoughts, feelings. We don't stuff loved people, why um do it to animals?


message 252: by Christine (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments E. wrote: "You know, attitudes on hunting are as varied as types of people, their area's history, their upbringing. I've lived in and around semi-rural areas where I can see some of the attraction -people get..."

I totally hear you on all your points, E. In regards to tearing up in the presence of a suffering animal but telling a bleeding human to "man up", I think it might have to do with our perceptions that animals are relatively innocent beings, can love us unconditionally, and are often at the mercy of and dependent on us humans.


message 253: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
Some good points here well made.


message 254: by Christine (last edited Jul 31, 2015 06:42PM) (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments Janet wrote: "I understand the need for keeping various populations down for safety reasons all round. I still don't like it but I get it. It's doing it for sport and then sticking it up on a wall somewhere and..."

I agree with what you say about taxidermy for trophy purposes, Janet. I don't know anyone who taxidermies (new word) their pet. I think that would make me feel worse. We cremate our babies. We have a row of kitty boxes on our dresser. )-:


message 255: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
When my mum and dad lost Rebel (dog) they had him cremated. Half of his ashes were buried and a white rose bush planted on top. Rebel was predominantly white, a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and that bush is now flowering. And half his ashes were kept by my dad. It all seemed appropriate somehow. I love that the rose bush is blooming, it's like his presence will always be around.


message 256: by Christine (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments I love that story, Janet. I feel that my babies are lurking around in my heart. (-:


message 257: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
Heck yeah! I still remember my childhood pets fondly. :)


message 258: by Christine (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments About once a year, I dream of my Irish Setter Chloe who I had from age 4 to 13. I can see her clear as day in the dreams.


message 259: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
Aahh! That's sweet!


message 260: by Christine (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments Yeah, especially since I only have one good photo of her. (-:


message 261: by Patricia (last edited Jul 31, 2015 09:54PM) (new)

Patricia Bergman (marshop) | 1229 comments I was born in Oregon and virtually everyone hunted. My dad was adamant about eating what they killed and refused to hang trophies. One winter, he was hunting when a cougar charged them. One of the men fired and killed him before he could get them. They dressed him out and placed him on a spit and ate the meat. No hypocrites allowed. Dad snapped a picture of the cat on the spit, since he figured no one would believe them. I still have the picture


message 262: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
Yes, 'do or die' situations do arise.


message 263: by Amber (last edited Aug 01, 2015 08:13AM) (new)

Amber Martingale Stephanie wrote: "An emotionally charged topic for sure and I do understand certain people do this, generally allowed in U.S. to control populations that would starve or cause harm. My in-laws hunt ducks - and I don..."

Cecil was the LION, not the dentist.

Patricia/Janet: If you hadn't said that about the picture I wouldn't have believed you, either. I hope no one got sick from eating the liver. The liver of carnivores can be toxic to humans. Janet, that's true they do.


message 264: by Michael (new)

Michael (micky74007) Amber wrote: "Stephanie wrote: "An emotionally charged topic for sure and I do understand certain people do this, generally allowed in U.S. to control populations that would starve or cause harm. My in-laws hunt..."


Maybe we should feed the liver to the dentist?


message 265: by Amber (new)

Amber Martingale Michael: No. Too merciful.


message 266: by Sean, Moderator (last edited Aug 25, 2015 11:50PM) (new)

Sean Peters | 10517 comments Mod
Seeing wild animals killed breaks my heart.

This dentist, had killed a rhino, a leopard, a bear, all in the past.

I would love to chase him with a bow !!


message 267: by Loretta (new)

Loretta Sean wrote: "Seeing wild animals killed breaks my heart.

This dentist, had killed a rhino, a leopard, a bear, all in the past.

I would love to chase him with a bow !!"


I'm with you Sean!


message 268: by Amber (new)

Amber Martingale I heard he had plans to actually EAT the bear but that's no damned excuse for the other animals.


message 269: by Loretta (new)

Loretta Amber wrote: "I heard he had plans to actually EAT the bear but that's no damned excuse for the other animals."

Ah, yuck...


message 270: by Amber (new)

Amber Martingale I've heard that bear's not bad eating, provided you kill it at the right time.


message 271: by Loretta (new)

Loretta Okay...just not for me I guess.


message 272: by Amber (last edited Aug 27, 2015 09:06AM) (new)

Amber Martingale That's what I said about venison...until I tasted it from a recently killed and processed deer though that was back sometime around 1984 or '85.

That said, I haven't eaten venison since approximately 2011 because that was the last time I had access to any. Got it from a food bank about 11 months earlier and had no way of slow cooking it until I bought a slow cooker.


message 273: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh depression and anxiety came to visit me again, i got back to work last monday, and today i had to leave early, i feel really lost and empty this time. I can't take both the meds because it makes me feel sleepy and driving would be dangerous, so i m only taking the anxiety pills, and i feel it s not enough. In these moments everything seems difficult: working, going out, driving, walking, meeting people, making decisions... all i want for the moment is staying home... So i will try to keep doing what i have to do, and if i can t take it anymore, i ll see a doctor AGAIN and stop working for a while until i get better...


message 274: by Christine (last edited Aug 27, 2015 12:11PM) (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments Aymen, ask your psychiatrist if your depression med can be put in suspension form. If so, you can very slowly titrate the dose up by a mg or two each day or every 2-3 days until you reach a dose that helps you or until you note significant side effects. If you start at a very low dose (a very few mgs) and go upwards slowly and progressively, you will be able to tolerate a much higher dose in terms of side effects than if you just started out with the entire recommended dose on day one. I am rooting for you, my friend.


message 275: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Thank you so much Christine, i haven t seen a psychiatrist for 3 three years, he used to give me a lot of meds and i had to go see him every month to have a prescription. i m seeing a generalist who give me also magnesium and something else when i have a low blood pressure. But if i don t get better soon i will go to my psychiatrist, or look for another one. The thing is to find a balance with the meds as you mentioned, you are right i ll try to do as you said thank you for your support


message 276: by Christine (last edited Aug 27, 2015 06:30PM) (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments Keep in touch, Aymen. PM me anytime. Sending good thoughts for my friend.


Sandysbookaday (taking a midwinter break) (sandyj21) | 5101 comments be kind to yourself Aymen.....sending warm thoughts your way 8:D


message 278: by Perri (new)

Perri | -43 comments Good advise from Christina and I echo Sandy's lovely sentiments. You're a special guy, Aymen, and you're not alone


message 279: by Patricia (new)

Patricia | 1266 comments Aymen - I hope you start to feel more like yourself again soon. Realize that we all need some help at times and you have had some extreme losses recently, so do not hesitate to see your doctors and adjust yor medications. Christine is correct, you have to slowly adjust to meds. Also Zoloft is a medication for both depression and anxiety so a doctor or specialist may know of something that can help both feelings. Feel good soon and know you have support.


message 280: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Christine, Sandy, Perri and Pat, thank you so much for all your support and advice, this means a lot to me, and you helped me to figure out how to deal with this situation, so i started feeling better already. i will see my doctor soon and talk about the meds and doses i need, and go easy on myself. much appreciated, :)


message 281: by Sean, Moderator (new)

Sean Peters | 10517 comments Mod
My thoughts and best wishes Aymen

Life can be tough, some lovely ladies here who will help and support you..


message 282: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Lovely ladies and nice gentlemen Sean, thank you my friend :)


message 283: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
There's been some wise words said here, Aymen. Hope things improve for you soon. You take good care. :)


message 284: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Thank you Janet :)


message 285: by Brenda (new)

Brenda | 2434 comments Aymen, I'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. We care about you! You're an important part of our family here. I'm glad you're starting to feel better and that you plan to see your doctor. I'll be thinking of you!


Sandysbookaday (taking a midwinter break) (sandyj21) | 5101 comments Please keep in touch with us Aymen - or we will be worrying about you 8:D


message 287: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Hey Brenda and Sandy! Thank you so much for caring this is so nice of you. I ve seen the doctor we changed one of the meds and i took a month off work, i started feeling a little better already. I think i ll be okay soon. Thanks :)


message 288: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Germany did an amazing thing by accepting Syrian refugees, it was a great message to the world, and a tough decision.
Today i saw a video of a tv camera operator in some country (i don t want to say which one because you can t judge a country by an individual actions) kicking refugees even a little girl, and making a father fall with his son, disgusting. At least she was fired.


message 289: by [deleted user] (new)

I agree with you, Aymen. The whole history of men is a history of migrations. I am sure each and one of us has ancestors (or grandparents, or even parents) who were migrants. There's no point not to accept people in a country, especially if they are escaping from hell. They are human beings in need and we all have the moral responsibility to help them, and to ask ourselves "What would I do if I were in their place?". That's called humanity, isn't it?

(And, as I saw this conversation just now: I'm really glad things are going better, Aymen. Stay strong!)


message 290: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Thank you Rokovoko, you just said great words there.


message 291: by Paul (new)

Paul Alkazraji | 639 comments This is a really good sequence of documentary photos following migrants as they cross the eastern Aegean Sea for the island of Kos and then Athens… Not so far from me. Very touching.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/greece-migra...


message 292: by Christine (new)

Christine (clt04) | 4838 comments Paul wrote: "This is a really good sequence of documentary photos following migrants as they cross the eastern Aegean Sea for the island of Kos and then Athens… Not so far from me. Very touching.

http://www..."


Paul, these are exceptional! Thank you.


message 293: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh Amazing photos Paul, i also remember another one, the woman from Greece who saved a drawning refugee.


message 294: by Paul (new)

Paul Alkazraji | 639 comments Christine and Aymen, so glad you took a look at them :)


message 295: by Janet , Moderator (new)

Janet  | 5302 comments Mod
Great photos. Very touching.


message 296: by Jean (new)

Jean | 2382 comments Thank you, Paul. We get these kinds of images on the television news every evening. It is astounding to see so many people, day after day...


message 297: by Patricia (new)

Patricia | 1266 comments Great photos and my heart goes out to the children and what their experiences are while trying to stay with their families. I truly hope more countries help to provide shelter.


message 298: by [deleted user] (new)

Thank you so much, Paul.


message 299: by Aymen (new)

Aymen Ben cheikh It s really sad, i remember that Syria was a beautiful country, many people wanted to visit it, and many stayed to live there. The syrian people are amazin. Now they have to leave Syria in order to save their lives and the future of their children. This is what war brings, destruction, death, sadness, fear and anger.


message 300: by H.A. (new)

H.A. Raynes (haraynes) | 67 comments These are so moving. Thank you so much for sharing. It is all so heartbreaking.


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