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deborah


We found out that on GoodReads you can't copy links from people's post, if that link has been shortened. Shorted links have the ... after the address. You have to go to the web site and copy the address. And I am too lazy to do that for the whole list. Maybe one day.

That link cut off thing is frustrating for me sometimes. I'm going to do some experiments with www.tinyurl.com and see if I can work around this in the future. I'm not sure yet if that will make the links solid forever or if the "shell" it gives them is permanent.

I should do over the list. But with the name of the link you should be able to get it from Google.

The names in the URL...
http://freekindlebooks.org/
http://manybooks.net/
http://booksontheknob.blogspot.com/
http://www.webscription.net/t-kindle....
Same site as the above but for the iPhone/iPad... http://www.webscription.net/t-iphone
http://www.archive.org/details/texts is a good one.
A most excellent e-book reference with lists here...
http://inkmesh.com/
And of course Kindle itself has many lists and "listmania's" that are compiled by customers. You can find lists for genres and all that of course but also lists with free books only and such.
And then there's the old standard...
http://www.google.com/search?q=free+e... with any keyword variation thereof. If your looking for something specific you can filter results easily by putting quotations around a phrase about your desired result. Google will then only bring up pages with words in that order. Also you can put a "+" symbol in front of a word to ensure that every result will include that word somewhere within the text. A "-" symbol before a word will ensure that word will not appear anywhere on any of the results. The latter is often the most useful to me for filtering results.

I should do over the list. But with the name of the link you should be able to get it from Google."
I bet GoodReads made the link shortening a "feature" to make posts seem less cluttered or something. To me I'd prefer the text field to just let it all hang out.

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Making lists is sorta an OCD thing with me.

The Well-Educated Mind: A Guide to the Classical Education You Never Had.
She gives lists for each genre. How to read the genre. What questions to ask yourself while reading it, and how to takes notes on it.
Great book. I wish I had this book when I was in college.

The Well-Educated Mind: A Guide to the Classical Education You Never Had.
She gives lists for each genre. How to read th..."
Hey! That reminded me. The first one of those you recommended to me, How to Read a Book is "in transit" to my local branch. I'll have it tomorrow for sure.
And I'm "2 of 2 on 5 copies" of this one your mentioning.

Both are excellent. And you will certainly profit from them if you are willing to put in the time for serious reading. Bauer suggests a half hour 4x a week.

On her book, right? If she means reading in general I've got that and then way more usually.

As Adler notes, the main purpose of his book is "reading books to gain increased understanding."
"The goal a reader seeks-be it entertainment, information or understanding-determines the way he reads."
It's hard work.

I would be open to tackling project.
Anyone else interested ?
1- How to Read a Book
2- The Well-Educated Mind: A Guide to the Classical Education You Never Had

When Adler's book, How to Read a Book, was published, a wag could not resist writing in his review: "Now that Adler has written a book on how to read a book, he should read a book on how to write a book."
Lois

I would be open to tackling project.
Anyone else interes..."
Yes, that'd be great. All this is something I've been doing for years on my own.

Clever.
deb

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot
Faithful Place by Tana French
Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes
Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand
The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson
Freedom by Jonathan Franzen
The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest by Stieg Larsson
To the End of the Land by David Grossman
Just Kids by Patti Smith
The Big Short by Michael Lewis
~Click on the GR title link to read more about the book.
~Click on the GR author link to read more about the author
The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine~Michael Lewis
Just Kids~ Patti Smith
To the End of the Land~David Grossman
The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest~Stieg Larsson
Freedom~Jonathan Franzen
The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration~Isabel Wilkerson
Unbroken~Laura Hillenbrand
Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War~Karl Marlantes
Faithful Place~Tana French
The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks~Rebecca Skloot

Here is a link to the Oprah 10 best books for fall.
The Oprah link gives a good synopsis of each book.
http://www.oprah.com/book/The-Emperor...
To read about the book click on the title
To read about the author click on the authors name.
The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer~Siddhartha Mukherjee
Unbroken~Laura Hillenbrand
An Object of Beauty~Steve Martin
How to Read the Air~Dinaw Mengestu
Salvation City~ Sigrid Nunez
Room: A Novel~Emma Donoghue
Great House~Nicole Krauss
The True Memoirs of Little K: A Novel~Adrienne Sharp
Life~ Keith Richards
You Don't Look Like Anyone I Know~Heather Sellers

Here is a link to the Oprah 10 best books for fall.."
I am a big fan of Steve Martin's and could not wait to get my hands on his latest book, so I bought an ARC early last summer. It was DREADFUL!
An Object of Beauty: A Novel
Here is my review: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/... I probably should have given it one star.

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot
Faithful Place by Tana French
Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes
..."
Besides Unbroken, which I've previously mentioned, I'm interested in Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War. I hope it's on a par with The Things They Carried, which I thought was a great book about that war. One of my daughters mentioned the Tana French book to me; I'm not familiar with her work. Can anyone recommend her?

I bought Matterhorn for my husband - he said it was okay. A friend of mine whose husband was in VietNam at the same time in which the book took place said it was amazing and gave her so much insight into what her husband had gone through.

I read
In the Woods
and I found it ......ok. It was entertaining, a good read, did not find it anything exceptional. But that's just me. I would try another book of hers to see if my opinion gets better. : )


Thanks, Scott. I'll have to keep my eyes open for a used copy. Maybe my daughter will give me the one that she read, if she still has it. I'll see her at Christmas in NYC.

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100 Major Works of Modern Creative Nonfiction
A Reading List
# Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire: A Season in the Wilderness (1968)
# James Agee, Let Us Now Praise Famous Men (1941)
# Martin Amis, Experience (1995)
# Maya Angelou, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (1970)
B
# Russell Baker, Growing Up (1982)
# James Baldwin, Notes of a Native Son (1963)
# Julian Barnes, Nothing to Be Frightened Of (2008)
# Alan Bennett, Untold Stories (2005)
# Wendell Berry, Recollected Essays (1981)
# Bill Bryson, Notes From a Small Island (1995)
# Anthony Burgess, Little Wilson and Big God: Being the First Part of the Confessions of Anthony Burgess (1987)
C
# Joseph Campbell, The Hero With a Thousand Faces (1949)
# Truman Capote, In Cold Blood (1965)
# Rachel Carson, Silent Spring (1962)
# Pat Conroy, The Water Is Wide (1972)
# Harry Crews, A Childhood: The Biography of a Place (1978)
D
# Joan Didion, We Tell Ourselves Stories in Order to Live: Collected Nonfiction (2006)
# Joan Didion, The Year of Magical Thinking (2005)
# Annie Dillard, An American Childhood (1987)
# Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek (1974)
E
# Barbara Ehrenreich, Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America (2001)
# Gretel Ehrlich, The Solace of Open Spaces (1986)
# Loren Eiseley, The Immense Journey: An Imaginative Naturalist Explores the Mysteries of Man and Nature (1957)
# Ralph Ellison, Shadow and Act (1964)
# Nora Ephron, Crazy Salad: Some Things About Women (1975)
# Joseph Epstein, Snobbery: The American Version (2002)
F
# Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics (1964)
# Shelby Foote, The Civil War: A Narrative (1974)
# Ian Frazier, Great Plains (1989)
# Paul Fussell, The Great War and Modern Memory (1975)
G
# Stephen Jay Gould, Ever Since Darwin: Reflections in Natural History (1977)
# Robert Graves, Good-Bye to All That (1929)
H
# Alex Haley, The Autobiography of Malcolm X (1965)
# Pete Hamill, A Drinking Life: A Memoir (1994)
# Ernest Hemingway, A Moveable Feast (1964)
# Michael Herr, Dispatches (1977)
# John Hersey, Hiroshima (1946)
# Laura Hillenbrand, Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption (2010)
# Edward Hoagland, The Edward Hoagland Reader (1979)
# Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements (1951)
# Richard Hofstadter, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (1963)
# Jeanne Wakatsuki Houston and James D. Houston, Farewell to Manzanar (1973)
# Langston Hughes, The Big Sea (1940)
# Zora Neale Hurston, Dust Tracks on a Road (1942)
# Aldous Huxley, Collected Essays (1958)
J
# Clive James, Reliable Essays: The Best of Clive James (2001)
K
# Alfred Kazin, A Walker in the City (1951)
# Tracy Kidder, House (1985)
# Maxine Hong Kingston, The Woman Warrior: Memoirs of a Childhood Among Ghosts (1989)
# Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962)
L
# William Least Heat-Moon, Blue Highways: A Journey into America (1982)
# Bernard Levin, Enthusiasms (1983)
# Barry Lopez, Arctic Dreams: Imagination and Desire in a Northern Landscape (1986)
M
# David McCullough, Truman (1992)
# Dwight Macdonald, Against The American Grain: Essays on the Effects of Mass Culture (1962)
# John McPhee, Coming Into the Country (1977)
# Rosemary Mahoney, Whoredom in Kimmage: The Private Lives of Irish Women (1993)
# Norman Mailer, The Armies of the Night (1968)
# Peter Matthiessen, The Snow Leopard (1979)
# H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy: His Own Selection of His Choicest Writing (1949)
# Joseph Mitchell, Up in the Old Hotel and Other Stories (1992)
# Jessica Mitford, The American Way of Death (1963)
# N. Scott Momaday, Names (1977)
# Lewis Mumford, The City in History: Its Origins, Its Transformations, and Its Prospects (1961)
N
# Vladimir Nabokov, Speak, Memory: An Autobiography Revisited, (1967)
O
# P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores (1991)
# Susan Orlean, My Kind of Place: Travel Stories from a Woman Who's Been Everywhere (2004)
# George Orwell, Down and Out in Paris and London (1933)
# George Orwell, Essays (2002)
# Cynthia Ozick, Metaphor and Memory (1989)
P
# Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (1975)
R
# Richard Rodriguez, Hunger of Memory (1982)
# Lillian Ross, Picture (1952)
S
# David Sedaris, Me Talk Pretty One Day (2000)
# Richard Selzer, Taking the World in for Repairs (1986)
# Zadie Smith, Changing My Mind: Occasional Essays (2009)
# Susan Sontag, Against Interpretation and Other Essays (1966)
# John Steinbeck, Travels with Charley (1962)
T
# Studs Terkel, Hard Times: An Oral History of the Great Depression (1970)
# Lewis Thomas, The Lives of a Cell (1974)
# E.P. Thompson, The Making of the English Working Class (1963; rev. 1968)
# Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream (1971)
# James Thurber, My Life and Hard Times (1933)
# Lionel Trilling, The Liberal Imagination: Essays on Literature and Society (1950)
# Barbara Tuchman, The Guns of August (1962)
U
# John Updike, Self-Consciousness (1989)
V
# Gore Vidal, United States: Essays 1952-1992 (1993)
# Sarah Vowell, The Wordy Shipmates (2008)
W
# Alice Walker, In Search of Our Mothers' Gardens: Womanist Prose (1983)
# David Foster Wallace, A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again: Essays and Arguments (1997)
# James D. Watson, The Double Helix (1968)
# Eudora Welty, One Writer's Beginnings (1984)
# E.B. White, Essays of E.B. White (1977)
# E.B. White, One Man's Meat (1944)
# Isabel Wilkerson, The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration (2010)
# Tom Wolfe, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (1968)
# Tom Wolfe, The Right Stuff (1979)
# Tobias Wolff, This Boy's Life: A Memoir (1989)
# Virginia Woolf, A Room of One's Own (1929)
# Richard Wright, Black Boy (1945)
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This is the most recent article to question the truth in Travels. JoAnn, you may want to sit down to read it, as it quotes many people who not only believe he made up chunks but also have no issue with it. ;-) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/boo...
I also thought i recalled some similar problems with William Least Heat Moon's Blue Highway (can't find a GR link to it). Online i couldn't find any controversy about it & wonder if i am just recalling the dismay registered in the American Indian community because Least Heat Moon only began using that name (previously used William Trogdon) when he wrote that book. Or so the story went.
ANYway, in the process i found this from an interview with William. While it doesn't exactly address "creative nonfiction", i found it relevant to the exchanges we've shared on the topic. It's from this website, btw. http://www3.wooster.edu/artfuldodge/i...
DB: To what extent is Blue Highways a fiction in the sense that in the re-construction of what you experienced, you actually distorted some aspects of what happened? For instance, when you create this impression of spontaneity-"I drive into Dime Box, Texas and I know instantly everything about its past"-would you consider this fiction-writing rather than journalism?
Matthew Cariello: Well, you know, one of the maxims of fiction is that every good story begins with "a stranger arrives in town. . ."
Least Heat-Moon: As I remember it, John Gardner said "There are only two plots, a stranger rides into town and a stranger rides out of town." Blue Highways is built on both plots. The entire book is fiction, in some sense, in that all of it is symbol. In other senses, I might turn on my tape recorder and record somebody, but later not quote them exactly. Nobody would read a book like that. It's not just that a non-fiction writer takes out the hems and the haws: he also may take out a vile word that he knows will distort the truth or misrepresent the person.
I hasten to add that the thing i've always found most interesting about Dime Box, Texas (town mentioned in the above) is that it's not far from Old Dime Box, Texas! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dime...
deborah

<<If scholars aren’t concerned about this, what are they scholaring about?”

Answering myself here.....WHY??? Why do interesting people have to make stuff up? Now if it were my memoir of my ordinary and humdrum life, I might NEED to invent things. LOL But why would people like Streinbeck and others of his ilk not just write what is/was real?

And look how long it took for someone to get others to see the lies. Most people don't care enough &/or just "want the meat", not caring about the rest. "Where can i send my check?", which is faster than actually doing the work. Imo, this also plays into our celebrity society.
Another reason, i suspect, is pure laziness. Steinbeck's reputation was made, why bother? Basically, it sounds as though he wanted to get paid for taking that vacation. Or, perhaps worse, he had an idea of the conversations he wanted to have & the sort of people he wanted to meet and reality let him down.
I'm sure many of us could come up with other reasons. Father issues? Impress others, probably from one's past? Money? Probably any of the same motivators for acting and other performing.
Just to put some more points on this cactus, what about those scholars whose work are found to be plagiarized or not-quite true? People who are sharing facts but fudging on how they obtained them?
And on.
deb

Just to put some more points on this cactus,
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I never heard this expression. I like it. I think you are becoming a real Texan, Deb. :)

JoAnn, upthread i mentioned my dis-ease with autobiographies, beginning with Sarah Bernhardt. However, i still maintained a trust in things being either truth or lies. Then i started reading more history and learned that we often can't even find out what the truth is because the victors write the history & we cannot be sure what they write is "true".
Quickly followed information about false memories, government "misinformation" and, the biggie, God. I just can't maintain that black & white anymore. I think that this is where the matter of "faith" enters. Things may not be "true" but we choose to believe, rather than disbelieve.
But do i tell a 9 year old that? Heck, no! And i didn't with my kids until they were teenagers, learning about historic lies and such. Then, we tackled that pile. And on.
deborah, who just this week learned that what i always thought were waves of water at the beach are actually waves of energy & that the water molecules i see rising move very little from where they were before the energy wave struck! WOW! Of course, that's science, but that is another area where "truth" changes, in a sense.

I am not talking about history, which is often revisionist....but history and historical events are not a person writing about himself.

I'd love to think that what i write about myself if true but there are times i learn my memory is mistaken. If only one other person disagrees with me, i'll go with my version but if two tell me something else, i was wrong. Still, i don't think that means i lied. Which leads us back to where we started, i think. ;-)
deborah

yes, or memoirs, whatever they decide to call it.
Making a mistake in writing about oneself is totally different than making a lot of it up, like Steinbeck did in CHARLEY......he knew he was lying. Or if I want to be really kind, which I don't, I could say "embroidering the truth".

Then i started reading more history and learned that we often can't even find out what the truth is because the victors write the history & we cannot be sure what they write is "true".
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Here are a few of my favorite quotes that sort of fit this topic.
Say not, I have found the truth, but rather
I have found a truth.
~~ Kahlil Gibran
The first casualty of war is truth.
~ Paul Johnson
What is history but a fable agreed upon?
~~ Napoleon Bonaparte
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie- deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but he myth- persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
~ John F. Kennedy
One of the spoils of victory is amnesia.
~ Anon.

Again, it's all fine with me in that world because, again, i feel it is a world they've made up. I don't think i'd take what any autobiography or memoir states as truth. Maybe i'd change the above related Paul Johnson (whoever he is/was) quote to "The first casualty of autobiography is truth." I mean, they can even try to control the way they want fans/historians to look at unflattering events in their lives. As much as i dislike Nancy Reagan, i have to admit to liking the title of her memoir, My Turn: The Memoirs of Nancy Reagan.
deb

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Paul Bede Johnson (82 years old- born 2 November 1928 in Manchester, England) is an English journalist, historian, speech-writer and author
A prolific writer, he has written over 40 books and contributed to numerous magazines and newspapers. While associated with the left in his early career, he is now a conservative popular historian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Joh...
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From GR
Paul Johnson has published over 40 books including A History of Christianity (1979), A History of the English People (1987), Intellectuals (1988), The Birth of the Modern: World Society, 1815—1830 (1991), Modern Times: A History of the World from the 1920s to the Year 2000 (1999), A History of the American People (2000), A History of the Jews (2001) and Art: A New History (2003) as well as biographies of Elizabeth I (1974), Napoleon (2002), George Washington (2005) and Pope John Paul II (1982).
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I haven't read, but own his book--
Modern Times: The World from the Twenties to the Nineties~Paul Johnson

But many people DO regard it as truth and therein lies my problem....


But many people DO regard it as truth and therein lies my problem...."
True. They also believe Oliver Stone's version of history. ;-)

Didn't we have a thread for new releases?
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Yes, I post a thread for each upcoming month. When the month is done I delete it. That is why I didn't put it in that New August book thread.
Sorry, I'm being confusing. I guess I thought of this thread a lists of books that have a no expiration date. For ex. best 100 novels of all time. Where as the new book list is limited. That is why I delete my list each month. Anyway, no big deal.
Your post is in both threads now.
If this is something you want to do on a regular basis, you can set up a thread for it in this Folder.
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NR's List of the 100 Best Non-Fiction Books of the Century
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100 best novels
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100 Great American Novels You’ve (Probably) Never Read, by Karl Bridges
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