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message 1: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments My hubby bought me a JetBook lite and it seems limited. I'm not even sure if I like reading on a plastic reader but am giving it a try. I started looking at the Kindle,Kobo and Nook (out in June). It looks as if the Nook has the best options because it can also surf the web (for more books!) and has a nice display/frame ratio. Anyone out there care to advise me?


message 2: by Jenny (last edited May 20, 2010 06:30AM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments I have a Kindle and LOVE it. My friend has a Nook, which she likes..but she has never used a Kindle. I don't think that the Nook can get on the internet. Unless you are talking about downloading books via a 3G connection, which both the Kindle and the Nook can do. The Nook also has wifi capability; the Kindle does not (yet). So you can connect to a network to download the books if 3G is not available in your area or if the coverage is bad where you live.

The Kobo cannot do any of these things, which is why it is cheaper. The Kobo is meant to be a cheaper e-ink alternative, but in order to make it cheaper they removed wireless capability. Of the Kindle and the Nook, which are very similar, it is a matter of personal preference.

The screens are EXACTLY the same. They are manufactured by the same company, so there are no differences here.

The Kindle CAN browse websites on its built in browser; the Nook, as far as I know, cannot (yet?).

The Kindle has text-to-speech. The Nook does not. (The book must have text-to-speech capability enabled for this to work. Most of them do.)

The Nook is capable of "lending" a book to another person who has a Nook or B&N e-reader app, at which point the book will be removed from your device and placed on theirs for a period of up to 14 days. You may only do this ONCE. Once you lend a book, you cannot lend it again. (The book must have lending feature enabled; not sure how many of them do?)

The Kindle has the keyboard while the Nook has a touchscreen, which from experience is not very intuitive or well thought-out. The menus are more confusing than those of the Kindle. The touchscreen menu was very laggy and slow as well, making the menu navigation even more difficult, though their recent firmware update was supposed to fix that. I have heard that it is better now, but I am not sure how much it was improved.

Both can read books from other sources. The Nook has support for epub format and the Kindle does not, but those files can also be very easily converted to mobi format for Kindle with a free program, as long as they are non DRM files (if they were, the Nook would not be able to read them either). Most of these other sources offer various formats as well, so conversion is rarely necessary.

Both also support .pdf files. B&N often claims that the Kindle does not, but this is simply not true. In fact, many of the "facts" listed at B&N's website page on which they compare the 2 e-readers are not facts at all, and it surprises me that they're allowed to get away with lying to their customers.

One of the lies that B&N tells is regarding the amount of books available for download on the Nook vs. the Kindle. B&N inflates its ebook #'s by including everything in Google Books' database (approx. 500,000 books) in its title list. Google Books can also be read on Kindle, though B&N neglects to include those titles in Amazon's book count for its side-by-side comparison. Amazon does not include any titles in it's Kindle book count that are not sold by Amazon. In truth, Amazon carries many more ebook titles than any other ebook store currently in existence.

I have also seen where a lot of people have problems with the Nook's buttons cracking, and B&N's customer service being HORRIBLE in all matters regarding the Nook.

With the Kindle, if it breaks and is under warranty, they overnight you a new one. Even if you drop it and it breaks that way (this is considered normal wear & tear unless you drop it from a balcony or something like that). Amazon's customer service is AMAZING.

The touchscreen on the Nook is nice if you like that sort of thing (and if the recent update fixed its biggest issues, which it supposedly has). BUT, it also runs the battery down a lot faster. The Nook's battery needs recharging after less than a week, even with wireless turned off. The Kindle's battery will last more than two weeks with wireless turned off. (Mine lasts 3 weeks to a month before needing recharging.) The Nook's new firmware update was also supposed to address some of the touchscreen's battery draining issues (such as lighting up at times when it isn't supposed to, not dimming when it is supposed to, etc.). This has probably alleviated SOME of the battery issues with the Nook (I am not sure to what degree), but the touchscreen will still run the battery out faster, even with improvements.

The Nook's battery is accessible, but the Kindle's is not. Some people consider this a big deal, but the fact is that the battery in a Kindle will not need to be replaced for about 5 years. If a Kindle under warranty will not hold a charge, Amazon will overnight you a new one and an RMA shipping label. I have also heard from several people that the Nook's accessible battery is actually a problem because it keeps coming loose.

The Kindle's dictionary is much faster and easier to use if you need to look up a word while you are reading; you just move the cursor to the word and the definition pops up at the bottom of the screen. The Nook requires navigation through its touchscreen menus in order to do so, and must exit out of the book to see the definition, and then go back through the touch menus to reopen the book to continue reading. This will not seem like a big deal to you...until you want to look up a word.

The "screensavers" for the Nook are easily customized. You can add/remove them at will by plugging it up to your computer. The Kindle's screensavers are fixed and require a "hack" file to be installed if you wish to add/remove any. I do believe that this is something Amazon will change in the nearish future. Also, the Nook has several different font choices for the ink display whereas the Kindle does not, though this is also something that can be released in a firmware update easily and will probably be added. Both allow you to change the size of the text.

The Kindle's books are cheaper in general. Often by several dollars. I have never seen a case in which a Nook's ebook was cheaper than it's Kindle equivalent, but I see the Kindle equivalents for cheaper A LOT. This adds up to a lot of money over time.

Amazon is currently having negotiation issues with Penguin. Penguin books published after April 1, 2010 are not on Kindle yet due to these contract negotiation issues. Penguin wants to restrict Amazon from selling its ebooks for cheap. Amazon does not want to jack up the prices. How long it will take them to reach a resolution is unknown. This means that if you want to read Penguin's newest releases (Sookie Stackhouse series, Dresden Files, etc.) you must either wait for them to come to an agreement or buy/borrow the book from somewhere other than the Kindle store. Amazon, being as wonderful as they are, has lowered the prices of the hardback versions of these books to $9.99 temporarily so that people can still get the books for a decent price.

Amazon has a 30-day return policy on the Kindle. I have heard of many people having a very hard time with B&N if they wanted to return a Nook, and when they were allowed to return it, they had to pay a 10% restocking fee.

B&N will not refund e-books. Amazon gives you 7 days to return them for a full refund.


I hope that this helps. If you have more questions, then a good place to find information about all ereaders is kindleboards.com. The people there are very knowledgeable regarding all types of ereaders and are also friendly and helpful to those looking for suggestions or answers to their questions.


message 3: by Beth (new)

Beth | 163 comments Wow Jenny!!! That is great info! I was just going to say that I have a Kindle and really enjoy it. My husband gave it to me for Christmas - I was not that thrilled with the idea of it, but now, I just love using it. I still paperbackswap and read "regular" print books, but I'm perfectly happy with the Kindle and recommend it highly.


message 4: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments Wow! Thank you so much! I am amazed that one person can know that much about these ereaders. I will have to re-read this to soak up all the details. I think I may sell the jetbook and put the $ towards the Kindle or Nook.


message 5: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments lol I've been doing a lot of research on this lately, and I've used both of them. I prefer the Kindle, personally.

You may also want to look into the Sony eReaders. Though I haven't heard many reasons to buy one of those over a Kindle/Nook.


message 6: by LizH (new)

LizH (liz_h) | 15 comments I too am a Kindle reader, and I love my Kindle. I never go anywhere without it! Although the Nook is pretty, and tempting, I have to fall back on customer service. Amazons customer service is amazing, while I haven't heard many positives for Barnes and Noble, and I believe their prices per book is also higher.
Jenny you did a great job talking abouut the different e-readers!!


message 7: by Britt☮ (last edited May 20, 2010 05:15AM) (new)

Britt☮ (genki_bee) Another Kindle user here, although I originally had a Sony Reader. When I first got the Sony, its ebook library software was only compatible for PC (though I believe it has changed since then). Since I have a Mac, this was a pretty big dealbreaker for me. I went with Kindle instead and couldn't be happier!


message 8: by Lori (new)

Lori Walker I've got a nook. They actually do have a web browser for looking at any site you want. One of the things I like about the nook is how easy it is to download books from other sources, like Goodreads, Project Gutenberg, etc. They've got daily updates for a few B&N blogs. They've got games on there. I haven't played with a Kindle, but I can't imagine liking anything better than my nook. I think it all depends on your wants and needs in an ereader.


message 9: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments I love the way the Nook looks, but I tried to find a certain new book by a new author and B&N does not carry it, where Amazon does.


message 10: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Lori wrote: "I've got a nook. They actually do have a web browser for looking at any site you want."

I was about to fix my comment on this cause I had just found out the Nook's browser is functioning, but you beat me to it! :) Like the Kindle's, Nook's browser is also in the beta stages. When Google opens its ebook store thingy, it will be browser-based. As in you will have to go to the website and load up the book to read it, I guess they will be pdf? I dunno, but anyhow this is another big plus to the Kindle/Nook over other ereaders.

A study by the Inkmesh e-book search engine indicated that Amazon had the lowest prices nearly 75% of the time. The way that the publishers are being total d-bags about ebooks lately though, prices may become more even across the board in the next year or two as contracts start coming up for renewal, but for now Amazon has the cheapest and largest selection of books.

The Nook does not yet have synchronization between devices. The Kindle does. B&N has said they're working on adding this feature.

The Nook is slightly smaller, but also slightly heavier.

The Nook has storage expansion with a microSD slot. I am not sure why Amazon removed the SD slot when they moved from the K1 to the K2; I assume to keep it slimmer and lighter. Either way, both devices hold something like 2000 books without memory expansion and store your purchases on their servers, so there really is no need for more storage unless you want it for more than just books. It is likely Amazon will put the expanded memory back in on their next generation of Kindle though.

Both will play mp3's. This might seem silly for an ereader, but think audio books. And if audio books are your thing, you can get $100 off the Kindle by signing up for a year at audible.com. Personally, if I'm going to listen to an audio book in mp3 format, I'm gonna do it on my mp3 player so I can shove it in my pocket, but the option is there on both the Kindle and Nook.


message 11: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments They both sound WAY better than the JetBook we now have. I keep reading these posts and a few reviews.Went to both seller sites and they both seem so great. It would be fun to go check them out in person too. I saw something that said the Nook could read library audio books. I wonder if the Kindle can do that too?


message 12: by Maryeah (new)

Maryeah | 13 comments I love my Kindle. As compared to the ipad, the ipad has backlighting that a normal computer has, and it's really hard on the eyes.

The kindle's bigger screen allows you to adjust the font size, if not the actual font. I hate the touch screen that the nook has - I just find it annoying and frustrating.


message 13: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments The reviews say the touch screen is pretty slow. I think I need to see it in person. I'm not very patient when I have a real page-turner in my hands!


message 14: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments I just took a trip to B&N and checked out the Nook. It was awesome! It was not perfect, a little slow on the wifi, a little glitchy trying to look up a webpage, but the technology is really something. I admit the "bling" of the colored toolbar on the bottom reminded me of my stack of books at home that I look at longingly when I don't have time to read. I wish I could handle a Kindle in the store, but I guess that's one of their drawbacks.


message 15: by Jenny (last edited May 20, 2010 06:51PM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Target is beginning to sell Kindles in store and put up a display so that people can play with them. I think so far they are only in 2-3 states though, since this is a recent development. I did read that they are pushing them out to the other stores, so you may want to be checking with your area Targets to find out when they'll be getting them.

If that isn't an option, and you think you might like the Kindle better, you could always order one, download some free books to play around with, and then if you don't like it send it back. It's less hassle to return a Kindle than it is a Nook.

I was playing with my friend's Nook earlier to see how improved it was with the new update. It is better, but the touchscreen still felt a little laggy and jerky to me, especially when scrolling through options. Moving through the menus of the touchscreen is constantly changing what is showing up on your e-ink display even if you aren't making selections that would necessitate a page change, which I just don't like and was really annoyed by. That sort of thing will also run the battery out faster. I also still don't care for the navigation of the device's menu. There's nothing really wrong with the menus, they just aren't as efficient as I would like it to be, and the Kindle's is.

There was something else I didn't like about it that I couldn't really put my finger on..it is hard to explain. I really like touchscreens normally, but using the Nook touchscreen kept bothering me, like the touchscreen and e-ink didn't belong together and were being forced to work together but didn't really want to. I think the fluidity of the two screens still needs improvement. It's not that they can't work well and intuitively together, just that as it is right now, it feels kinda forced and unfinished.

Oh, and when I held it, it felt really heavy by comparison. It only weighs an ounce or so more than the Kindle, which I didn't think was much. But when I picked it up, I felt it and the first thing out of my mouth was "Oh, it's heavy." If you hold your book up while you read (I do), that could get annoying..like holding up a smallish hardback rather than a paperback.

But the update definitely made it faster, though it still isn't what I'd consider optimal. Maybe I'm nitpicking here, or maybe the Kindle has spoiled me, or maybe I'm nitpicking because the Kindle has spoiled me. A quote that I see often in ereader comparison threads is this: "People who have never had a Kindle do love their Nooks."


message 16: by Jennifer W (new)

Jennifer W | 2175 comments Myself and a coworker have been looking at these, too. So you can play audio books? I'd get sick of the same voice reading all my books to me.


message 17: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie (Reading is Better With Cupcakes) (imjustcupcake) Nook can play audio books, but it wont read to you. I think kindle will read to you.

Nook can also get on the internet as of about 3 or so weeks ago. It's a little odd at first navigating it, but it works out.

I believe both the Kindle and Nook hold up to about 1500 books at first. The nooks expandable memory will allow you to get up to 17,500 books.

Also, to return a nook, it is not that much of a hassle. It is the same return policy as everything else, 14 days with receipt in the store and as far as I know BN does not do the restocking fee anymore. Or atleast at the store I work at, we do not charge it... I am honestly not sure if that is a district/region thing or a company policy.

I do like the nook, but I have never seen a kindle up close. I have looked at a Sony ereader, and I didn't really like it.

I also like the way the ipad readers program looks, but I do not know if I would feel comfortable reading on that backlight screen for so long.

Then there is the Que, which will be coming out this summer I believe. Geared towards the business people. Another reader to add to the mess!


message 18: by Natalie (new)

Natalie (aquariusnat) Well , thanks to this thread I'll be saving up for a Kindle ! I have done some research on Ereaders and Kindle always seems to be the best choice .


message 19: by LizH (new)

LizH (liz_h) | 15 comments Yay, excellent choice, imho :)


message 20: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments Wow, you guys weren't kidding about the B&N cust service! They refused to refund the three books I ordered in attempt to get one that is the format my current reader can read. One cust service mgr told me one thing, then his manager told me the complete opposite and didn't care that his other cust service person suggested I download another one and just see if it's the right format because he had no way to tell me beforehand - His manager was trying to sell me a Nook and still refused the refund. As great as the Nook is, I don't think I want to put money into a B&N product.


message 21: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Yeah, B&N won't refund ebooks at all. Their rationale is that you can read it on various devices such as your phone or computer, so there's never a need to refund it (even if you are returning a Nook). But what they don't get is that some ebooks have really poor formatting, because the publishers don't always spend time editing them properly after they're scanned in. Nobody who inadvertently purchases a faulty product like that should then be forced to keep it because the retailer doesn't want to give them back their seven dollars.

A book that I bought from Amazon had poor formatting and a lot of spelling errors and random spacing and all kinds of weirdness going on in it, because the publisher scanned it from an image into a text document and then never went back and edited it to look proper on a page or to fix all the quirks like "cl" being misinterpreted as a "d" by the software, etc. Not only did Amazon refund my money, they offered (without my asking) to contact the publisher and make them aware of the issues, and then to email me notifying me when the ebook was edited and updated.

Eventually B&N might fix some of the issues with their customer service policies and indifferent representatives, but they will never, ever hold a candle to Amazon IMO. Their first thoughts are to protect sales rather than to build a loyal returning customer base.


message 22: by Adrienne (new)

Adrienne (a-town) | 17 comments I've researched a lot about the Nook and Kindle, and there's some excellent info here, but does anyone here own or know a lot about the Sony e-reader?


message 23: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie (Reading is Better With Cupcakes) (imjustcupcake) The Sony e-reader has less books available for them than other e-book readers out there. However, that being said I dont know if one of those e-book format converters would fix that problem.

People who have them love them. My understand is that they do not even truely compare to other e-book readers out there. Your best bet is probably the Kindle or the Nook...unless you want something that is able to do more, then I guess the Ipad.


message 24: by Jenny (last edited May 26, 2010 08:49PM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Amazon and Penguin came to an agreement today, so the newer Penguin titles are showing up in Kindle format in Amazon's store again. :)


message 25: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie (Reading is Better With Cupcakes) (imjustcupcake) Happy Day! Im glad they did.


message 26: by Adrienne (new)

Adrienne (a-town) | 17 comments Does the Kindle or Nook have any way of organizing books though? I know Sony has "collections" you can make, but I haven't heard much about the Nook or Kindle's ability to do so. This is kind of important for me, sorry for asking so many questions.


message 27: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments The Kindle has the ability to create custom collections. I don't know if the Nook has the ability to create custom collections, but it has various ways of sorting books besides just author and title, such as genre.


message 28: by Cyn (new)

Cyn | 263 comments The Nook had a free upgrade mid-April and now CAN be used as a web brower, has faster page-turning, and ebooks CAN be downloaded from other sites than just B/N..unlike the Kindle that HAS to get books from Amazon.

I LOVE my NOOK, and I did reseach them considerably before I chose one to purchase.

On that note, who has a Nook? WE need to start a thread for lendable books on here!


message 29: by Debbie (new)

Debbie R | 42 comments I am new to this group and am already amazed. So far I haven't been able to bring myself to buy an E-reader but thought I would see what all of you have to say. Thank you for the great information. Now I just have to open my mind to holding an electronic device instead of a wonderfully bound book.


message 30: by Tiffany (new)

Tiffany | 92 comments I have a Sony e-reader and I really love it. It is compatible with more different format then the Kindle. I have only found two books that were not available from Sony. One of the books has not been published yet as an ebook anywhere, but I suspect that will become more rare. The other book was a Kindle exclusive and not available at the other major e-book sellers like books on board. When I was selecting an e-reader, the Mobile Read forums http://www.mobileread.com/forums/ were very helpful when it came to comparing the different models. Those folks are passionate about their e-readers, but if you lurk for a little while, you will be able to figure out the features that may be important to you.


message 31: by Jenny (last edited Jun 01, 2010 10:11PM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Cyn wrote: "ebooks CAN be downloaded from other sites than just B/N..unlike the Kindle that HAS to get books from Amazon."

Kindle does NOT have to get books from Amazon. I don't understand why some people think this? Is it another one of B&N's lies? The Kindle can read books from many, many places and actually supports MORE formats than the Nook does. Yeah, it doesn't support epub (yet), but probably will in the future because it is a common ebook file type with a variety of ebook sellers, though I should add that these vendors also give the option of buying it in unprotected (DRM-free) mobi format, which the Kindle does support, so there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to read your files on the Kindle. On the other hand, it's not as though the Nook supports mobi or azw files and, unless miracles start to occur regularly, it never will. The Nook does not even support txt files, which the Kindle does.

B&N has 33,655 fiction titles that are under copyright (as in, books that are not public domain and therefore free for every device on a wide variety of websites, including goodreads).

Amazon has 201,894. Significantly more if selection is important to you.

I am not sure how many the Sony store has, but from what I've heard of people's complaints, probably less than B&N does.

I am also not sure about the iBook store from Apple, but I do know that Random House is refusing to deal with Apple, so that's a huge chunk of books missing right there.


message 32: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments I didn't know that about the Kindle. I thought I would be only able to buy from Amazon. It's nice to know there's a little freedom there.


message 33: by Cyn (new)

Cyn | 263 comments I found out that informaion from amazon itself when I was researching which device to buy. Apparently things have changed since then, since at the time, only books from amazon were formatted correctly for Kindle.


message 34: by Jenny (last edited Jun 02, 2010 09:31AM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments lol It must have been a long time ago since I've had mine for over a year and a half and have always been able to read books from other sources.

Anyways, for those interested, I read this today:
Target has confirmed that it will begin selling the Kindle in all its 1,740 stores starting this Sunday, making it the first brick-and-mortar retailer to carry the e-reading device. Target senior v-p Mark Schindele said Target customers' response to Kindle "has been overwhelmingly positive."

So now people can mess around with both devices in stores and decide which one they like best.


message 35: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments I can't wait to go check it out!


message 36: by Jenny (last edited Jun 21, 2010 04:46PM) (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Amazon just lowered the price of the Kindle to $189.

B&N lowered the price of the Nook to $199, and introduced a wi-fi only (No cellular coverage) version of the Nook for $149. Nice if you're always in a wi-fi hotspot, I guess. I prefer to keep the option of 3G though since I take my ereader with me on vacation, etc.


It is good to see quality ereaders becoming more affordable. I am not sure about B&N, but I know that Amazon is automatically refunding the $70 difference to people who recently purchased one for $259. They're giving it out whether you request it or not, but I'm not sure what the cutoff period is for the refund.


message 37: by Leah (new)

Leah | 19 comments At that price, it's affordable, almost money-saving the way that Amazon's books are cheaper. I wouldn't feel guilty for spending extra for the Kindle like before. I'm still waiting to get one though. My bday is later this summer.....Thanks for the update Jen - it's great news!


message 38: by Shelleyrae (new)

Shelleyrae at Book'd Out | 5 comments I use an ipod touch which I love. I use Stanza as my main reader , Calibre to convert books if i need to, but I also have the Kindle, Kobo, Borders and ibook apps so I can buy from any of them easily and any format. As well as the Goodreads app of course :)
Since it's multiuse I feel like I got good value for money.

I've heard people complain about getting sore eyes from it but it doesn't bother me. In Stanza you can change the background color, font colour, font size and dim or brighten the screen to suit.
It's particularly good for me since I'm Australian and it's much easier and cheaper to buy from overseas than here.


message 39: by Dolly (new)

Dolly (dollya) Debbie wrote: "I am new to this group and am already amazed. So far I haven't been able to bring myself to buy an E-reader but thought I would see what all of you have to say. Thank you for the great informatio..."

I am the same way. I like my old fashioned paper books...I'm trying to think seriously about the e-readers too though. I'm glad this thread was started. :)


message 40: by Emily (new)

Emily (emily_meek) I have had a Kindle for about 2-3 years now. (I'm horrible with time) all I know is before Oprah put it on her favorite things. I'm a huge electronics person, and books being a huge part of my life, I was immediately hooked on the idea.
That being said, all my advice will be given relative to the original kindle version, and not the newer ones.
The biggest problem I have is that there is no light. I'd like to be able to sit in the dark and just read from it like a phone or computer screen, but I have to turn on a light or use a little book light.
I am also on my second kindle. The first one I received froze on the opening screen, and after about a week, it didn't work. However, I called amazon, and they sent me a new (older) generation kindle, and payed for both the new shipping and the return shipping.
I also don't like the screen coloring. It's not black and white, more like dark grey and a tan shade, and my eyes get irritated after reading for more than a few hours on it.

What I do like is having thousands of books in my hand. Each download takes about a minute or two, and from there you can start reading. It also saves your place, so that when you click on the book you're reading, it takes you right to where you left off. You can also bookmark pages, like if you liked a quote or something I think. I haven't quite figured that out.
Another nice thing is that it uses its own internet connection, so you never have to worry about being in a hotspot or what-not.
I'm currently saving up for an iPad (like I said, huge electronic fan, but on a student salary). And I've played with them in the stores. Granted they're a lot of money, but if you're someone like me who likes being connected to the world at all times, it's pretty cool. The iBook app is free, and from there you get thousands of books (I couldn't find the exact number). It also has an LED screen that adjusts to the brightness of the room. It can also read aloud anything on the page. If you hold it up and down, you see one page, if you hold it sideways, both pages like a book. You can also highlight and make notes on it.
It's a lot of money though, especially if it's just being bought for the ereader.
I don't know enough about any other devices to give comment, but from what I know about the newer kindles, a lot of the kinks have been worked out.


message 41: by Tracy (last edited Sep 06, 2010 10:48AM) (new)

Tracy Phillips Jenny wrote: "Cyn wrote: "ebooks CAN be downloaded from other sites than just B/N..unlike the Kindle that HAS to get books from Amazon."

Kindle does NOT have to get books from Amazon. I don't understand why som..."


Jenny wrote: "Cyn wrote: "ebooks CAN be downloaded from other sites than just B/N..unlike the Kindle that HAS to get books from Amazon."

Kindle does NOT have to get books from Amazon. I don't understand why som..."


Jenny wrote: "Cyn wrote: "ebooks CAN be downloaded from other sites than just B/N..unlike the Kindle that HAS to get books from Amazon."

Kindle does NOT have to get books from Amazon. I don't understand why som..."


Jenny:
Just to let you know I recently bought a Nook and have been able to download books in various e-book formats, such as epub and pdf. This allows me to download books from various e-book websites in addition to Barnes and Noble. Can you please let me know what the the additional formats are that the Kindle can support that the Nook can't? I would be really curious to know. I do believe that these formats (PDF and EPUB) allow me to download books that are part of the public domain with no problem so the Nook does not restrict e-book availability to Barnes and Noble alone.

Much reserach went into the purchase of my Nook and interestingly enough my boyfriend has purchased the Kindle so we can experience the best of two worlds in our e-book reading experience. He is expecting is Kindle to arrive in a couple of weeks!
Tracy :o)


message 42: by Shay (new)

Shay | 284 comments I bought a Nook recently, the real deciding factor was the hour of free reading and that I just went to the store and bought one that day. (There was a wait for the Kindle.) I didn't know this, but my library doesn't support Kindle for their ebooks, so I lucked out buying a Nook. I understand that at least some other libraries are the same. It's especially good because my library system treats ebooks separately, so you can have 50 real books and 35 ebooks out at once.


message 43: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (narcisse) | 209 comments Tracy wrote: "Can you please let me know what the the additional formats are that the Kindle can support that the Nook can't?"

The Nook can't read .azw, not sure if they can or can't read .mobi? and it can't read .doc or .txt files, unless that was made available in a recent update. I haven't kept up with the Nook the last couple of months, to be honest. My main point was that while Nook has epub, Kindle has it's own comparable file type, which is actually smaller in size and more efficient than epub.

The other thing is that if you buy an .epub book from another vendor and it has a DRM, you can't read it on your Nook even though it is an .epub, so while B&N advertises epub as some sort of universal standard, it's still under DRM restrictions that are specific to particular vendors. Not all books are under DRM, but many (most?) do.

I know that the Nook doesn't restrict books to B&N; there were people saying that the Kindle restricts books to Amazon only, which is completely untrue. This doesn't really matter though, because Amazon has a larger library than anyone, and matches lowest prices.

Public domain books are available in all formats, so can be downloaded for any ereader.

The Nook and the Kindle are very similar. But I feel like the Kindle performs pretty much all of the functions that I use much quicker and easier than the Nook does. The Nook to me is really unintuitive and clumsy when trying to perform reading related functions, such as looking up a word or trying to find a particular passage, and I don't like the way that the Nook handles highlights and notes at all - you can't find them easily; you have to scroll through the books page by page and happen upon your notes/highlights, whereas with Kindle, it keeps a clipboard type list of these things which is easily searchable, and the clippings link back to that particular passage in the book. Obviously these things won't matter to people who don't use them, but I find that the ease of these functions on the Kindle has me using them a great deal.

There is currently a short wait on Kindles, because they just released a new model with wifi capability, higher contrast, and twice the memory, as well as a few slight cosmetic changes. They also put out a wifi only model (lacking 3G) which is priced at $139 (vs. $189 for the wifi+3G model) and they now come in graphite as well as white.

For anyone who wants to see what I mean about function performance, here is a video comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxkCEL...
This is the Kindle 2, which is not the newest generation of Kindle, so the new ones would be faster and have better contrast than what is shown in this video.


message 44: by Tracy (last edited Sep 07, 2010 02:29PM) (new)

Tracy Phillips Jenny wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Can you please let me know what the the additional formats are that the Kindle can support that the Nook can't?"

The Nook can't read .azw, not sure if they can or can't read .mobi? a..."


Jenny:
Thanks for the additional insight on the Nook vs.the Kindle. I will check out the you tube link you included in your post. Also I am excited for my bf to get his Kindle so we can do an in person comparison :o)

Incidentally yesterday I found out about an e-book management software program called Calibre that converts PDF files (which I found online) to EPUB files that are formatted correctly for my Nook. Before using the Calibre program many of the lines on the screen only had one letter per line but after conversion with this program the format was prefect for the screen of my Nook.

I really have no idea whether the pdf file I am referring to had a DRM restriction on it. I am assuming that means digital rights management or some such thing? How do you know if a document has some sort of restriction on it? At this point in time I have no reason to believe that the Calibre program would not be able to format things for my Nook no matter what site or "vendor" I got the file from. Do you have experience with the Calibre program?

There are many other features of the Calibre program other then the conversion tool . I am just familiarizing myself with all it has offer.
Tracy :o)


message 45: by Shay (new)

Shay | 284 comments If a file had DRM, I believe you wouldn't have been able to open it without registering your Nook through Adobe. In order to borrow library ebooks, I had to go register my Nook. You also would have had to transfer the files through Adobe to your nook.


message 46: by Tracy (new)

Tracy Phillips Jenny wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Can you please let me know what the the additional formats are that the Kindle can support that the Nook can't?"

The Nook can't read .azw, not sure if they can or can't read .mobi? a..."


Also just wanted to let people know that Calibre software is designed to work with a variety of e-readers not just the Nook.


message 47: by Tiffany (new)

Tiffany | 92 comments I just bought the latest generation Kindle. I also have a Sony e-reader (touchscreen). I like them both, but for different reasons. The Sony navigation on the touch screen is better, and I like being able to see the book cover thumbnails in the menu (I am a visual person). They also have easier drag and drop navigation for your collections. It took me a few hours to get my Kindle organized and I could have done the same thing in 15 minutes on my Sony (of course, perhaps I am just not using the best method with the Kindle).

The page turn buttons on the Kindle are awkward for me, but that is because I am used to the touchscreen so I will adjust in no time. The Kindle screen is much better than the 3-year-old Sony, but it is similar to my mom's new Sony pocket edition. I am loving having a new and improved screen.

There are many libraries that lend books in a format compatible with Sony and there is no library option with Kindle. However, my library does not have e-books yet, so this was not a purchasing factor for me at this time. Kindle does allow you to sync multiple devices so if you start reading on your Kindle and want to continue on your computer, phone, etc. you can pick up where you left of. I only read on the Kindle, but it is a pretty cool feature for people who want to be able to manage books on multiple devices.

Of course, I wish both Sony and Amazon (and everyone else) would start using a universal format. I can't read my Sony books on my Kindle or my Kindle books on my Sony because of the DRM and file formats.


message 48: by Tracy (new)

Tracy Phillips I just downloaded my first epub book from my local library directly to my Nook :o) My library uses Adobe Digital Editions as the platform to download books to their patrons. I connected my Nook to my computer and it showed up in the Adobe Digital Editions software. I just drug the file (book) onto my Nook and it was formatted perfectly to read :o) Surprisingly my boyfriend's Kindle is not compatible with Adobe Digital Editions so he is unable to borrow any e-books from our local library!


message 49: by Irene (new)

Irene Hollimon | 28 comments I have a Sony eReader. It reads several different formats including the Adobe. I love my ereader. Ande these days the prices have gone down almost in half. I paid 299 for my ereader. There are much cheaper ones out there now.


message 50: by Tracy (new)

Tracy Phillips Tiffany wrote: "I just bought the latest generation Kindle. I also have a Sony e-reader (touchscreen). I like them both, but for different reasons. The Sony navigation on the touch screen is better, and I like bei..."

Tiffany:
I read your post earlier but must have forgotten the details because I was surprised to find out today that my boyfriend can't borrow e-books from our local library on his new Kindle. Does your library use the Adobe Digital Editions software also?
Tracy


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