Young Adult Fiction for Adults discussion

Following along with our 'Infatuated' thread and the 'who do you want meet' thread, I figured we need one for those we absolutely can't stand.

Here is the start of my list..

Bella - Twilight For all the reasons I state in my lower post.
Astrid - Lies (Gone series) She progressively got bitchier and bitchier, thinking she was always right and Lording over Sam.
Justin - North & South (John Jakes civil war trilogy) For all his racist and sexist abuse.
Harley Boble - Breath of Snow & Ashes In Outlander most of the characters have something we can see as redeeming, but not Harley Boble he was pure evil.
Gale - Mockingjay (only in the last one) For anyone who's read the last book, they'll know. I'm a Peeta fan.
Arlene - All of the Sookie Books She's a narrow minded bitch who treats everyone like crap.

I'm editing this and putting my reasons in. I figured that since others are I should say why.

There seems to be too many here at times, I agree with Wendy on Bella! Roul from and Christine. I read I really do not like self distructive people. I really had a problem with Annie!

Hey I've got a whole bookshelf dedicated to them! Though I settled for a punch in lieu of a smack.

Yelena in Fire Study comes to mind immediately.

Elena in Vampire Diaries although she has moments of being bearable (book, not series)

I agree with Bella, specifically when she lets her world fall apart over a boy.

Ever from Evermore. First of all the name drives me nuts, and the lack of intelligent decision making leads me to want to cause her harm.

Pretty much all the chicks in Pretty Little Liars books one and two.

Dierdre from Ballad: A Gathering of Faerie. I liked her alright in Lament: The Faerie Queen's Deception but she treated James like crap in Ballad, and she needed to get slapped.

Not going to argue the Bella thing, but who hasn't let their world fall apart over a boy...or a man. Women in love are not usually rational. If they are a teen, even less so.

I'll agree with Dierdre in Ballad.

I didn't understand how Bella couldn't handle marriage because of the commiment but wanted to be turned into a vampire!

I've never understood why I married a loser when I was 19 simply because I thought I was romantically in love, not just with him but with what he was (the cowboy thing). Does anyone understand love and what motivates people? I kind of have thought that is part of what Bella's story is about. The irrational decisions of a teen in love which sometimes actually can turn out good and often bring heartbreak. A friend of mine told me she did not like the story because Bella made all the wrong decisions. My response was that if she had made all the right decisions, there would not be a story. Let's see, she could have married Mike, had 2.5 children and lived happily ever after....

Kind of makes sense I just still dont' fully get her freak out about it

That's what is irrational about it. LOL No one gets it except her. But it isn't all that unusual even when the guy is a mere human.

I was not trying to start a debate about Twilight in here, and actually neither of those wre my reasons to want to smack her.

I felt that Bella was selfish. She wanted to be with Edward, but she wanted Jacob to continue loving her and her her 'best friend' even though it was causing him pain. She asked Edward to sit with her during the battle and leave his family to their fate instead of helping them and possibly saving some of their lives because it made herself feel better. She insisted on becoming a Vampire even though Edward thought taht she was giving up her soul and being damned forever and that thought hurt him. In my mind she only truly cared for herself and her own wants. She didn't even care about what her 'death' would do to her parents.

Anyone read the series, I read this series when I was having friend issues, but I felt like this triggered more I hate people.

Those i can think of atm are

Jacob - Twilight saga (damn he really went on my nerves)
Ulrik - Glass series ("abit" to possesive jealous and manipulative?)

I agree with Ottillie and Terry. Elena sickens me, and I hated Penelope.
Others that haven't been mentioned:
Lissa from Vampire Academy for some reason. I just...I don't know. Hate her.
Fire from Fire. Eww.
Belly (what kind of name is that!?) from The Summer I Turned Pretty. Double eww.

Yes! it just sickend me how people could be like that!!

Luce in Fallen. She wasn't so bad in Torment.

Josi from Nineteen Minutes. She's so self-destructive, and she's way off-balance. At parties, she would steal percription medicine and take a pill or two home with her. She saved those up in a cup in her room because she wanted to have enough drugs to overdose for suicide.

Whoever the girl is in who killed herself. Sorry. She was the reason I hated the entire book.

I agree with Bella along with the entire Twilight entourage, but I won't go there.

I may be slapped myself, but I really want to smack Gen, not from book one but after, but most especially in A Conspiracy of Kings. His manipulation of his friends after loving him in the first book totally pissed me off.

I can't remember her name, but Skeeter's friend from The Help who was the head of the society just had me twisted the wrong way from the start. I saw no redeeming qualities in her at all.

And last but certainly not least, the grandmother from Jacob Have I Loved makes me want to spit every time I read it. I understand old people getting sick and acting strange, but this lady is a bitter old sick hag.

speaking of grandmothers.. I've got to throw in the grandma (and the mom!) from . I read this book years ago. Waaaay before they republished it as a young adult book, and it's stuck with me since then.

Also, I don't know if this counts since it's a true story, but the mom from deserves public torture.

I did not enjoy reading Luna largely because I detested the narrator, Regan. I thought she was a pathetic emo-kid wannabe. Seriously, get a grip *rolleyes*

Meg Murry from A Wrinkle in Time I don't hate as much, but it irritated me when she broke down into a whiny brat in the last third of the book.

Bluemoon wrote: "that girl from the Fever series, but just the first one. I don't know how she is in the other books..."

Mac was awful in book 1. She vastly improves as the series goes on.

Lani wrote: "I agree with Bella, specifically when she lets her world fall apart over a boy.

Ever from Evermore. First of all the name drives me nuts, and the lack of intelligent decision mak..."

Agree with all of these … haha

Heidi I wrote: "Whoever the girl is in who killed herself. Sorry. She was the reason I hated the entire book."

Saaame. Well, I didn't hate the book. I liked it, at least the idea behind it. It was an intriguing story, but I don't think it reached its full potential––mostly because I didn't sympathize much with the girl who killed herself. She came off as whiney to me. If I'd actually had some more respect for her, it would have been a lot more powerful.

I'm going to add Nora in Crescendo, she wasn't as bad in Hush Hush. In Crescendo she was ridiculous.

Wendy wrote: "I'm going to add Nora in Crescendo, she wasn't as bad in Hush Hush. In Crescendo she was ridiculous."

Not what I want to hear. :( I have Crescendo sitting on my shelf TBR...

Sorry... the book wasn't bad. I love Patch

Patch is awesome! :D

The father from for treating his son like a doofus!

Why didn't I post here sooner ? The character I most certainly hate because of her uselessness and Mary-Suish characterization will always be Ginny from the HP series. 0:3

I never saw her as a Mary-Sue... but now that you say that I can totally see it!

Cécilia wrote: "Why didn't I post here sooner ? The character I most certainly hate because of her uselessness and Mary-Suish characterization will always be Ginny from the HP series. 0:3"

Gasp!

I like Ginny, A LOT! But I can see why someone would see her as Harry Potter's Mary-Sue character.

When i think about it i think Quinn from the sookie stackhouse books really deserves a smack.
He just really gets on my nerves and is really a whimp when it comes to it

Yeah, I was never really a big fan of his either. Never wanted to smack him, but I definitely thought he didn't compare to the other men in Sookie's life (with the exception of Bill, I hate Bill).

Oooh, add him to my list. I wanna smack Bill.

Wendy wrote: "I like Ginny, A LOT! But I can see why someone would see her as Harry Potter's Mary-Sue character."

Really, I could have forgiven Rowling for the most undevelopped pairing of her series if only she had made Ginny actually useful in the seventh book.

I didn't think it was undeveloped. I think it was under the radar. Ginny had feelings for Harry all along, but it wasn't until book 6 that he stopped seeing her as a child. I actually thought that was sweet. She snuck up on him.

I also liked how Harry protected her. She's a fighter but he wouldn't let her be involved. Still have to get to the theater to see HP7!

I'm reading right now and I really want to smack Lissa. I hope it passes because I love this series.

I was going to say that too, Shannen. That she wasn't useless in the last book. Harry refused to let her help. He left her to make sure she wasn't involved.

BTW, it was AWESOME!

Can't wait! It looks incredible!

Wendy wrote: "I didn't think it was undeveloped. I think it was under the radar. Ginny had feelings for Harry all along, but it wasn't until book 6 that he stopped seeing her as a child. I actually thought th..."

To stop seeing a girl as a child is not enough to fall in love with her. There has been very few interactions between these two until the first kiss. And even then, I can't recall what they had to say to each other that was interesting. The fifth book portrayed her as a strong independant girl and when Harry tells her no to move a finger for him, she's like "yeah, okay, honey, i'll wait for you to come home so we can get married and have lots of mini harrys and ginnys"

Must be a personal opinion but if the guy I loved that much were to go on a suicide mission like this, I would certainly not accept to be left behind. He didn't stop Ron and Hermione from coming with him, however he has so much more with them than he ever had with Ginny.

Maybe that's a horrible thing to say but if I had to choose between my best friend and my crush (because really, it was nothing more than that) I'd rather protect my best friend. That's why I think the whole Ginny thing is just an excuse to give Harry what I'd call a security net. And I really talk too much but I wanted to explain myself :3

I felt the same way Cecilia! I did not like their relationship at all. It seemed completely forced. Like a, "well, Harry's got to end up with somebody, right?"

hah! I love this thread, Wendy. I agree with you about both Bella and Gale. At times, when a character acts as such, I feel like tossing the book down in disgust as if to say "how could you?!". :D

Traci wrote: "I felt the same way Cecilia! I did not like their relationship at all. It seemed completely forced. Like a, "well, Harry's got to end up with somebody, right?""

Exactly. Anyway, I keep thinking Harry should have died. xP

And Bella is the most boring and selfish character I ever read about (can't believe I used to like her), so I smack her too (or, better, I throw a shovel in her face).

HAHA, Cecilia, that's how I felt about Bella too! I liked her when I was reading them. But then on reflection (and especially after watching New Moon) I just completely flipped and now if she was in front of me... I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be kind.

As far as Ginny, I can totally see your point. Unfortunately I just differ. I liked that in the end he looked back at her with love. In book 5 she was there fighting with Luna and Neville. And in book 6 she was with him still. And if I remember correctly (I could be wrong), she was angry he left her behind. She didn't want him to, but then Harry, Ron, and Hermione got seperated after the wedding. (The didn't really touch on this in the movie, Harry breaking up with Ginny and such...)

But like I said, I can totally see where you are coming from.

True about book five. And I guess I can be more comprehensive since love stories isn't what matters the most in this series, JKR is more the action and plot type. I guess I'm also less tolerant about Ginny because I hate the actress haha, especially in the half-blood prince movie (I mean, COME ONE, she laces his shoes °O°).

Bella really got on my nerves in Breaking Dawn. She's the worst female character ever. She's dependant on a boy, she has no other goal in life rather than sex, baby and cocoonning. She's the housewife by excellence. She's always moanning, crying, thinking without actually doing something useful. Damn. I feel so sorry for our gender... @@

I thought Twilight was about sacrifice and making choices. But Bella is prisoner of her own desires, she has no other alternative. It's sad but Meyer made it look like it was okay. Sickening.

I forgot that she did that, lmao!! I like Ginny and Harry, but if they hadn't happened I would have been okay. Unlike Ron and Hermione who I adored!

Breaking Dawn on a whole was a complete disaster for me. From the moment she had the baby I was disgusted. But yes, I agree with you about her being a terrible female character. But she wasn't useless, (insert sarcasm), remember how in the end Meyer gave her the magic ability to spread out her 'sheild' and protect EVERYONE, thereby deflecting the whole last battle! Gag me. Bella is the worst kind of Mary-Sue.

Okay, big sigh... I'm done... no more venting about Bella.

LOL, yeah, when she realized that, I was like "it's done, no one's gonna die, Perfect Bella will save the day and return to her shack in the forest with Perfect Edward and their Perfect Mutant"

Yeah, we should stop bitching. Like, now.

Another character I'd like to see in Hell or something is Umbrage. She's already horrible in the book and the actress does a fantastic job portraying the kind of demon she is (and her office is just creepy D:).

Oh yeah, that is a great one. She's the most evil villian of HP. I think she's worse then Voldemort, even.