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message 1: by Kristin (last edited Oct 20, 2010 06:12PM) (new)

Kristin | 89 comments I know someone here can help me. I read Fallen (Fallen, #1) by Lauren Kate last March and started Torment (Fallen, #2) by Lauren Kate last night and I am SO FREAKING LOST!!

I remember the general story line, that she is reincarnate the same girl and everytime they kiss she would die, but not this time..and her sweet friend was killed by the teacher and her other friend ended up being a bad angel or something. but I Cant remember names, and I cant remember who else is a good or bad guy.

Why did she have to leave her old school? What is their mission now? I remember something with an airplane or something...AK! I am so lost, but I don't want to re-read.

Can someone offer me a quick recap of the Fallen? With Names I can reference? Who was Cam again? What was his deal? I am like 10% into the new book and am SO totally lost I have to start over.


Terry (Ter05 TwiMoms/ MundieMoms) (ter05) | 608 comments I can't remember either but you might look at the reviews of Fallen that say they are with spoilers.


message 3: by Mariya (new)

Mariya (cr6zym0nkeyiz) | 157 comments cam is the guy that has a thing for luce. and wants luce to choose him instead of daniel(the guy that luce is destined to be with/falls for everytime she is reincarnated)
*i think cam is in the middle of a bad and guy but in the books toward the mid-end in luces eyes he is portrayed as the bad guy.

it is hard to remember this all thought, but i do remember a lot of it.

the teacher tried to kill luce and so daniel had this other guy teacher( i dont rememeber his name) go wit luce somewhere where she could not be found or protected or something like that. the book ended wit luce alseep and daniel and cam(love rivials) discussing something involving luce.

does this help? or do u need more? if u could give more of the characters name in the book, i could maybe tell you who they are and wht their role is from the last book.


message 4: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments haha i just finished Fallen the other day so its still fresh in my mind:

Cam was the other love interest that was with Luce at the school. He ended up being a bit of a baddie and had this full-on fight with Daniel at the end...
But then in the Epilogue him and Daniel were all mysterious about the next stage in the war and shook hands (seemed like Cam wasn't all bad)...
Cam is also after Luce's affections still... despite her and Daniel being together.

She had to leave the school cos a war is coming and people would want to kill her to get at Daniel...

Penn was the dead friend that got killed by Miss Sophia (the woman in the libary that ended up being bad)
Gabbe and Arribelle (or however u spell it) are other angels on Daniels side...

hope this helps. if i have left anything out. just ask.. am stuck at work at the moment so happy for a distraction! haha


message 5: by Kristin (new)

Kristin | 89 comments Who was like the friend of Daniel who threw the party and ended up being a bad guy? I think he had dreds?

Also the party friend of Luce that ended up being bad too?


message 6: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments Oh that was Roland... the dude with the dreds...
I liked him... haha

ummmm.... the friend that ended up being bad... hmmmm.... trying to think.... i'm not too sure who ur talking about there...


message 7: by Kristin (new)

Kristin | 89 comments wasn't there two girls she hung out with. I know there was the one that died, but then there was another girl? Maybe? Maybe I am getting my books mixed up....


message 8: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments oh well there was that arribella chick or what ever... she was the "insane" one.. she ended up being a good angel (on daniels side)

oh and there was Molly - who was the bitch that picked a fight with her on the 1st day and shoved meat loaf on her head.. she ended up being a baddie...


message 9: by Kristin (new)

Kristin | 89 comments crap, non of this is rining a bell. I am going to need a re-read. is there a book spoiler website out there?


message 10: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments oh bummer... i can try and give more descriptions if u think it will help...

but there are bound to be spoiler websites out there... just google it or something...


message 11: by Mariya (new)

Mariya (cr6zym0nkeyiz) | 157 comments if you feel like read all this shit..go ahead, but it is shorter than a re-read:

Seventeen-year-old Lucinda 'Luce' Price has seen the shadows for as long as she can remember. No one else seems to be able to see them. Scared and concerned for their only daughter, her parents got her a therapist, who put Luce on medication. This didn't help, however, and she continued to see the shadows. Eventually, Luce learned to stay away from the places where she knew the shadows were most likely to appear.
One night, at a party, Luce snuck out with Trevor, a boy she liked from her school. But, upon kissing him, the shadows came. Suddenly, like magic, fire appeared and engulfed Trevor, burning him to death. Accused of his death, but pleading her innocence, Luce is sentenced to complete her senior year of high school at the Sword & Cross Reform School, where she would live with other "troubled" kids.
Upon arriving, she meets a blonde girl with a southern accent named Gabbe, a boy named Todd, and a tall, dark, and handsome green-eyed guy named Cam. The four of them are led around the school for the tour of the campus by a stocky individual named Randy, whose gender is believed to be female. The grounds are uncared for, and resemble a prison. Randy goes over the rules, emphasizing the "meds," "beds," and "reds," as the security cameras that keep surveillance on all eighty students are known. Between the surveillance, the restricted communication (only one phone call home is allowed per week), and the dress code, which demands students wear all black all the time, Luce doubts that she will ever make it out of her senior year alive. At the end of the tour, Luce meets Arriane, a hyper, semi-crazy girl who takes an interest in her and "adopts" her, showing her around the school and giving her helpful advice, such as staying away from the "hard-cases" who could be identified by the metal bracelets they wore. These bracelets serve to both track the students who wear them, and also deliver incapacitating electric shocks when a student behaves disruptively. Luce later finds out that underneath her long sleeves, Arriane wears one.
Soon she meets Daniel Grigori. From the time they first meet, Luce immediately feels a strong familiar connection with him and is inexplicably attracted to him, though she's never even spoken to him before. Luce also meets Molly, a bully who dumps her lunch all over Luce's head in front of the entire cafeteria (until Arriane punched her in the face in Luce's defense, activating the metal bracelet Arriane wore and shocking her violently to the ground), and Pennyweather (Penn for short), who attended the school as the President of Sword & Cross's adopted daughter. She's the only student with access to the school's data and record files. Her attachment to the school lay in her father's memory, as he was the school's groundkeeper before his death and was buried at the cemetery within the school grounds. Luce becomes fast friends with Penn when she follows Luce to the bathroom and brings her shampoo to wash out the meatloaf that Molly dumped in her hair, saying that seeing meat all over a vegetarian made her sad. As Luce's first few days at Sword & Cross goes by, Daniel is extremely rude and cruel to her, throwing her scowls and piercing looks. But she continues to be drawn to him despite his attitude, feeling certain that she has seen him before. At the same time, Luce is attracted by Cam, the green-eyed boy she met on her first day. Charming and flirtatious, Cam is very kind to her and she is surprised when an innocent friendship seems to take a turn and she starts to fall for Cam as well. Now she is drawn between the two boys; Daniel, whom she can't even begin to explain her strange attraction for, and Cam, whom she dubs the "good guy she should be with." Things start to take a turn when Daniel, even while evidently trying his best to avoid and ignore her, starts treating her in a familiar, kind way that Luce is sure she knows all too well. Even though it is obvious that he is trying to push her away, Luce can't help but try harder to get closer to him. She feels she needs to know more about Daniel.
In an effort to learn more about Daniel, Penn sneaks Luce into the school's record files storage area. They are disappointed by Daniel's file, containing only a single sheet of paper with just the barest information. As Penn and Luce dig deeper into Daniel Grigori's history, they discover a book of fallen angels, written by Daniel Grigori, who they assume must be an ancestor of Daniel's. When they go to retrieve the book from the school library where Penn told Luce she had discovered it, they find it is no longer there. Inexplicably, the shadows come again and the library is suddenly engulfed in fire. Luce loses Penn in the smoke, but finds Todd. Together, they make their escape, guided by a mysterious violet light. But just as they are about to escape the building, the shadows swoop down on them, sending Luce flying and knocking her unconscious. Luce wakes up in the hospital to find out that Todd broke his neck fleeing the library. Again she is questioned by the police, linking yet another mysterious death by fire to Luce.
As the pieces of the puzzle start to come together, more questions are raised. Now as Luce begins to realize that she truly loves Daniel, her vague dreams about him become startlingly clear. At the same time, Cam makes more advances on her, suddenly making Luce feel uncomfortable in his presence and an intuition awakens within her telling her to stay away from the sly and cunning Cam. However, her intuition cannot overpower her emotion, stirred each time she looks into his angelic and hypnotic face. It also becomes clear to Luce how Gabbe appears to distract her each time she is with Cam, thoroughly annoying Luce as she is convinced that Gabbe and Daniel are already in a secret relationship.
Luce also begins to theorize that Daniel can see the shadows that haunt her. He seems to know everything about her. She is mystified by the occasional appearance of a violet light that engulfs him. While Luce struggles to find some answers, it seems that everyone--Daniel, Gabbe, Arriane, Cam, Molly, and even the old librarian, Miss Sophia--knows more about her life than she does. Luce is desperate to be together with Daniel, even though everyone, Daniel included, seems to be against them becoming involved with one another. Luce is determined to find out why their love is forbidden.


message 12: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments hahaha... not that is way more informative than my little notes haha.. good work Mariya


message 13: by Mariya (new)

Mariya (cr6zym0nkeyiz) | 157 comments yups...XD


message 14: by Kristin (new)

Kristin | 89 comments Mariya and Sophie....I could kiss you both! THANK YOU!

I am 18% in and this will definitely be helpful.

Have you guys read Torment?


message 15: by Sophie (new)

Sophie (sophie714) | 126 comments no worries :)

No I haven't read it... let me know if its any good :)


message 16: by Mariya (new)

Mariya (cr6zym0nkeyiz) | 157 comments not yet. hopefully soon.


Stacia (the 2010 club) (stacia_r) Torment is good. It's much better than Fallen. I was happy that book 2 fixed some of the things that were wrong in book 1 (less filler, less emo-clinginess).

I still liked Hush, Hush and Crescendo better than these two books, but at least Torment was a huge improvement over Fallen.


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