Inheritance discussion

Alexia wrote: But it would be awkward for Murtaugh and Eragon, since they are half brothers. It would be weird to them to say that their dragons are mating.

Not really, it would seem kinda cool, besides, noone thinks of Murtaugh as Eragons bro, they think of him as Galbatorix's sidekick so if Thorn and Saphira got together, their decendants would be like good-and-evil...if that makes sense, besides, blue and red makes purple, a purple dragon would be soo sick!!

Patti wrote: To me, that seemed like a possible romance though I may just be overanalyzing it.

your not overanalyzing it, i think paolini meant for thorn and saphira to be together but chickened out in the end, i think it was because in Angelas fortune, it said that eragon would find a 'powerful' romance...or something like that, and since paolini didnt want eragon with arya, he matched Saphira with Firnin, because dagons and their riders have that special bond, it seemed to satisfy that part of the fortune. either that or hes an awful writor who doesn't know how to make a point...mabey im overanalyzing...

"Alexia wrote: But it would be awkward for Murtaugh and Eragon, since they are half brothers. It would be weird to them to say that their dragons are mating.

besides, dragons dont mate forever...

I don't think it'd be "weird."
also, for all we know, Saphira could fall in love/mate with one of the newly hatched dragons..

Annabanana wrote: "Alexia wrote: But it would be awkward for Murtaugh and Eragon, since they are half brothers. It would be weird to them to say that their dragons are mating.

Not really, it would seem kinda cool..."

Not sure it works like that, or how would you make red? Or black? Or the original Eragon's silver dragon?

Yeah, I don't think it matters what color the parental dragons are to make up the color of the offspring.

Bagerlord wrote: How would you make red? or black...

well, theres that, black would be easy, just make a really dark brown/green/blue/purple...primary colours will be difficult, can there be a multicoloured dragon, like a rainbow dragon?! imagine a pink male dragon "Pinky, the most fearsome dragon of the land. People cower when they hear his name, seeing him is a different story though..."

Joanna wrote:Saphira could fall in love/mate with one of the newly hatched dragons.."

and thats okay? its weird. imagine a 50 year old woman married to a 21 year old man... see my point?? the only suitable mate for her is Thorn...maybe Firnin(though Im not happy about it) but a hatchling? Lets have some class =D

question, just out of the blue, if you had a dragon, what colour would it be and what would you name it? Mine would be an Orange dragon named Foofy.

Gold named Sunny

Laura wrote: "I call bullshit on the "resolution" of the character and plot problem named Murtagh.

He leaves because he and Thorn need time to heal and let their anger, not to mention the general hate of the ..."

Ugh finally someone who can see things rationally! I do find it out of character for Murtagh. And that being said for Eragon as well. I mean he loved Arya more than anything (Except Saphira) but not these eggs. You'd think this love would help him find a way to figure out how to have both. To do something! Not just watch her being carried away by the Green Dragon. GRRR>
And yes, I feel that Murtagh never got the redeption he so deserved. You're right, he left at the worst time. This was the time for him to come out and really show the world the kind of person he was. Not flee.
I'm just not sure Murtagh and Eragon would have made these choices. After all the fighting/struggling/everything-chaos why give up now?!?!


Oh and Saphira actually loved Thorn - in case yall missed that. So everyones ending sucks dragon tail.
xx

Have you guys seen the movie Eragon? it is AWESOME. Kind of rushed, Arya totally has the wrong hair color, but still awesome.

Awesome is not the word that springs to mind when i think of Eragon the film...

(srry for my spelling, in a hurry =P) all the charecters were messed in the movie...Eragon and Roran were blonde, Murtaugh was emo, saphira looked like an overgrown duck, and Arya was a red-head!! plus, Nasuada looked too old, like 40, in the book shes only 20-ish. the only acurate one was Brom...more than that, the timing was weird, Brom died before Murtaugh was introduced, and Arya wasn't knocked out like she was supposed to be, the Razzac looked like insects!! did anyone else notice that?!? theyre supposed to be crow-like people and they look like spiny insects. Overall, the movie was worse than the book and thats saying something!! Brom was good tho, i know i already said that but its true, the only person who fit the books describtion.

omg... since the book came out, ive come up with soo many alternate endings! my personal fav. is that Murtaugh builds a tiny team of skilled assasins and they imprison Nasuada (cuz Murtaugh didnt have the heart to kill her)and it like a repeat of what happened with Galbatorix, them Eragon comes to rescue the lady, but seeing her as Murtaughs only weakness, he kills her (vicious but suitable)and Murtaugh goes berserk, in this 'mad rage moment for him, he kills Arya in return (yeah, kinda sad...) all the elves, dragons and races team up against Murtaugh, they manage to kill Thorn (too bad, i like him!) and Murtaugh falls ill due to grieve over Nasuada and Thorn, Eragon visits him (meaning to kill him) but chickens out and leaves him to Firnin who burns him slowly, Firnin then returns with Eragon and Saphira where he lives till he dies, the new leader of alagaesia: Roran and Katrina. The new leaders of Ellesmera: the elven children, (the ones who were mentioned but ignored). Angela, Solumbum and Elva stay with Roran and Katrina and their kid, Elva and the girl become friends, Eragon mourns (but gets over) Arya. so does Firnin, Saphira plays a huge role in helping the both of them, in this time, Eragon and Firnin bond, and Saphira gets pregnant, they name the dragon hatchling (wild) Arya (since Firnin is the dad)...

And they all live happily ever after-ish... its better than his ending though (even if its a bit sad)

Moral of the story: Murtaugh wasn't Evil...just Crazy...same with Galbatorix, he wanted another dragoon after his first dies, when his wish was denied, he went crazy with rage.

Annabanana wrote: "omg... since the book came out, ive come up with soo many alternate endings! my personal fav. is that Murtaugh builds a tiny team of skilled assasins and they imprison Nasuada (cuz Murtaugh didnt h..."

If Arya dies, so does Firnen.

well then, saphira goes mad with rage over firnins death and kills Murtaugh, same difference, but then theres no dragon hatchling...im gonna have to rethink this...

Cinderela wrote: "Laura wrote: "I call bullshit on the "resolution" of the character and plot problem named Murtagh.

He leaves because he and Thorn need time to heal and let their anger, not to mention the genera..."

The driving force behind Murtagh's character throughout the series is his desire to redeem himself -- first, make a reputation apart from being Morzan's son. Then when he fails at that (through no fault of his own), he wants to still help Eragon and Nasuada. So why would he leave at the end, when he has another chance to, like you said, show the kind of good person he really is? Redeem himself, like he's been trying to do this entire time? It makes NO SENSE.

Murtaugh left probably because Paolini is preparing for a sequal, that or he just wanted to get him out of the way because he thought him to be an unnessesary charecter who couldn't really do much anymore. I'm betting on the first, it seems to be the more reasonable choice of the two.

you guys are making my head spin.

Laura wrote: "Cinderela wrote: "Laura wrote: "I call bullshit on the "resolution" of the character and plot

100% agreed!
I know sometimes its naive for us to say what a character might or might not be inclined to do - I mean how would we know better than the author herself right?? But either way I still feel like something is off here. Especially with Eragon, it just doesn't make sense!!! - like you said

:/

Cinderela wrote: "I know sometimes its naive for us to say what a character might or might ..."

first off: the author is a guy =P
second: it can be considered naive to for us to judge a character in a book since we weren't the ones who actually wrote it or planned it out but i personally think Paolini messed up big time with the characters and their choices; Murtaugh 'running' away, Eragon leaving (abandoning people seems to run in the family =P), Saphira choosing Firnin over Thorn, etc. they all seemed like weak endings to a final book in a series...some people may like the ending to the series but personally, i would have prefered not to read the fourth book in the first place because of all the questions left unanswered (and all the 'new' questions born in the last book.

Yes i know Paolini is guy, I must have been really into what I was saying. Thank you for your observation.

It would have been weird for Saphira to end up with Thorn. I am strongly against that.

to Cinderella:this topic can get pretty interesting can't it ;)
to Alexia:everyone has their own opinion. . . but in my mind, so many factors encourage Saphira and Thorn to mate, some include;
1.they both faced galbatorix
2.they killed Shruikan together(very romantic. . .)
3.they are around the same age
4.most importantly-they are both primary colours =P
there are other arguments but those are the first ones that came to mind. . . but like I said before,everyone has their own opinion.

to Alexia: why are you against Saphira and Thorn mating? it's not like dragons mate for life. ..(or exist. . .) ;D

It's just wrong! Thorn killed Saphira's master, (Glaedr and Oromis), he tried to kill Eragon, and if you have read the whole series you would know how close Eragon and Saphira are. Saphira would never choose to be with Thorn. Galbatorix twisted his mind, and no matter how long he has to 'heal' he will never be the same. Saphira could never forget what he has done. Saphira and Thorn just aren't meant for each other.

So it's better to mate with a baby dragon? We knew nothing about Firnen's character, he was just an easy throw-in/cop-out. A romance between Thorn and Saphira could have been dynamic.

first off- he was under the command of Galbatorix, he HAD to kill gladr,
second: Galbatorix killed Oromis through Murtaugh
third:I have read the whole series, yeah theyre close, i know...
fourth:how would you know what Saphira would choose
fifth:thats the point, his never healing will be so cool considering he'll alwways have a bit of evil in him and Saphira can help him through that considering shes all 'good'

Thank you Patti...finally someone who sees things as i do...Firnin isnt good for Saphira because of the following:

1-he was born in the last few pages, why would you accept Saphira mating with him if youd be outraged if Eragons 'mate' was introduced near the end?!
2-Firnins too young and inexperienced!!!!!!
3-we dont know Firnins true nature, if he never had to face a problem with Saphira by him, how do we know he wont abandon her in the heat of a problem
we dont know much about Firnins charecter...its better for her to have mated with Thorn because with someone who you know has some evil, you know where you stand.... Firnin may be a complete jerk and Saphira would never find out...and if she did, that just proves my point

OMG!!!! I was sooo disappointed with the end book! Like the middle and all was good but then the end where they ALL GO SEPARATE WAYS really ticked me off! And also, Arya got everything that Eragon had AND she was a full elf. She killed shade, saved the eggs, got a dragon, killed shruikan and EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HE HAD!!!!!!HE LOOKED LIKE A LOSER AFTER WARD!!!!!!!

Well, if Murtagh had stayed in Ilirea with Nasuada, there would be way too many unhappy people. The people of Alagaesia wouldn't forget the crimes he'd committed in the king's name so willingly. He would be causing more hurt than help when it came to Nasuada's reign.
And Eragon didn't really have much choice. He was the only Dragon Rider available to teach the next generation- again, if Murtagh were to help so soon after the fall of the king, no one would agree to train under him. As for Eragon's leaving Nasuada, you have to remember that Nasuada is a big girl, and she's accustomed to having to fight for power. A Dragon Rider standing behind her would boost her strength a little, but not enough to make a difference either way. The whole reason for Nasuada becoming queen, despite her young age, is that she has a way of gaining power on her own. She doesn't really need the help.

No you're right. Theres actually three sentences in the series that speak of Saphiras love of Thorn.
I did not write them down though.

Have you guys noticed how negative we're all being? We're all stating what we DON'T like about the book, when we should be naming things that we LOVE about the book! We're all being so negative!

its not negativity, its criticism. everyone here loves the book and the whole series, but these are just the few dislikes of ours, if we didnt like the book, we wouldnt bother ourselves with this...i for one am a huge fan but my comments are just thoughts and personal preferences as to how i think he should have ended the series.

Tyler, you make a great point in what you say, Murtaugh couldnt stay with Nasuada, neither could Eragon...it would be nice if he did ut that would start a new problem all together...

its not that we hated the book and we are expressing that hate here, its that we love the book ut are expressing our dislikes here, example, Murtaughs un-happy ending.

ugh

I really liked the book as a whole, but yeah, I was also kind of disappointed that Murtaugh went to hide somewhere... kinda sounds like Master Yoda (Star Wars) running away to hide on Dagobah, after he got beaten by ugly Palpatine..

As Someone above said, both brothers left their ladies behind.. Sorry Paolini, everything else is cool, but this ending - not cool, you must definitely write another book to continue the things from where you dropped them.

Ju Ju beanie face

Cinderela wrote: "No you're right. Theres actually three sentences in the series that speak of Saphiras love of Thorn.
I did not write them down though."

The fact you counted them is enough to weird me out though.

Laura wrote: "Cinderela wrote: "Laura wrote: "I call bullshit on the "resolution" of the character and plot problem named Murtagh.

He leaves because he and Thorn need time to heal and let their anger, not to ..."

Sometimes people do run away from what they want though, it just something that they do. Think about it, you've quested after something your entire life, building it your head to be the most important thing, wouldn't anyone be scared to try when the time comes, in case they fail?

Also, he has Thorn to think of now. Thorn has every excuse to be seriously muddled in the head, and I think Murtagh would give his entire being for Thorn, if the need be.

I agree with Badgerlord. I can understand why Murtagh decided to run. It makes sense to me. I would, however, like to see some follow-up on him.

I agree. Thorn has been through some rough times. He was hatched so that Galbatorix could use him for his own benefit. He was brought into a world of pain. Galbatorix messed with his mind, leaving him confused. I can understand that. I can understand why they left, though I don't like it.

now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only thorn and murtaughs perspective(it would be a nice change) and maybe Nasuada...
-but the heros of a story never run, it sets a bad example for all heros in training out there =P, besides, the fate of the world is no big deal, i for one would LOVE the stress!
-thorn has every right to be muddled up but he shouldnt be, i get it, hes still a young dragon but hes had a pretty long time to get used to it, if anything, right now is the only time his mind should be OK, hes finally free and Murtaughs still alive!
-counting the sentences is kinda creepy, but then again, thats how you pass the time with a long book in your hands
-whats ju ju beanie face?!
-paolini HAS to right a continuing series, its crazy how he throws the 'romance' part of the book down the drain when he hinted it to be such a huge role in the series! i guess hes just uncomfortable with that kind of stuff...but then again he was okay with that when it came to Roran and katrina....
-speaking of them, i hated how he stated that katrina was pregnant before she and roran were married like it was no big deal!! nice example to set for us paolinin! the readers of today turn into the leaders of tommorow, why give them this idea and image as a positive and perfectly appropriate one?! the nerve of some people makes me go mad at times!

i know i write alot, forgive my spelling/grammar for i was in a hurry and threw those cares out the window, i noticed that my agruments were very-different, most of you probably disagree with my ideas and choices but then again, wheres the fun in a world of no conflict? =P then there would be no wars and news paper companies would go out of buissness =P lol (no offense intended to anyone!!)

overall...we need a sequal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I said I didn't like Thorn, and that he and Saphira don't have a future together, but it's not like it's his fault. And about Ju ju beanie face.... let's just say that what it has to do with this series, you will never know.

Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only thorn and murtaughs perspective(it w..."

wow the creepo has something to say in her defense....
I was not actually counting sentences. There were three instances where Paolini hints at Saphira's love for Thorn. (one in Brisingr and two in Inheritence) Each instance consisted of only a brief sentence, but those brief sentences made me stop and think. That is how I know there were three sentences.
oh and apparently I am the only one who spotten these from some bazaar reason and I find THAT creepy.

Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only thorn and murt..."

I saw one of them in Inheritance, but I must've missed the rest.

And why is it creepy to actually read a book?

Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only thorn and murt..."

to Cinderela: lol... i didn't call u creepy, just the fact that u counted them is creepy, and now that i know u didn't actually count them, i take bake my earlier remark and i sincerely apologize.

to Alexia: ok then, ill just google it (we really are the google generation!)

to Patti: it's not creepy to read a book and pay attention to the details, its creepy to read the inheritance series and pay close attention to details, especially considering how many tiny details paolini was able to stuff between the covers, not to mention the fact that its impossible to focus to the details (or the actual story) because its so long!
But it actually shows persistence and focus to be able to have read and noted those details and to be able to recall them up on a later date. I am actually impressed by this skill and i envy you [Cinderela], i have the worst attention span possible!!

Patti wrote: "Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only..."

:)

Annabanana wrote: "Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,



Its cool I'm not mad at anyone! How could I be when we're all so inherently passionate about the same things.<--- literature

On a side note:
I wish that, when things hit the fan, we wouldn't feel the urge to justify our thoughts or manipulate them into weaker versions of themselves.
(Most aspects of our lives are driven by fear. In this case fear of hurting someones feelings or of retaliation; we're always making sure to soften the blow. In most cases thats probably a good thing, but sometimes I think its just stupid. I don't know about ya'll but I want to write what I want to write and not be ashamed of that or alter that for the benefit of anyone else.)

In fact I commend both of ya'll for saying what you truly think. I explained myself so our future relationships won't be hindered by my creepiness. But there is no need to explain, we're all entitled to our own opinions, as cliche as that is, its true. If we can't say what we really think here, amongst our literary friends, we can't say it anywhere.

ugh I hope you're not as bored of reading this as I am of writing it! Sorry. Anyway thanks Anna and Patti for the apology and support.