Inheritance discussion

Annabanana wrote: "Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "now im confused,

-alexia, you said that thorn is an evil messed up creature full of hate, now your siding with him?
-there HAS to be a follow-up through only..."


you'll Google what?

Darriel wrote: "I really liked the book as a whole, but yeah, I was also kind of disappointed that Murtaugh went to hide somewhere... kinda sounds like Master Yoda (Star Wars) running away to hide on Dagobah, afte..."

Paolini will write another book about Alagaesia, likely bringing about a more positive resolution to Murtagh/ Nasuada and Eragon/Arya's relationships.

Yay

it was under whelming but not that much i mean i wouldn't want a squeal on murtahgs side just because i'm sure it'll make no sense but you know

What????

its kinda flattering how my comments create so much confusion and chaos =P

Cinderela: I couldn't have said it any other way: "But there is no need to explain, we're all entitled to our own opinions, as cliche as that is, its true. If we can't say what we really think here, amongst our literary friends, we can't say it anywhere.

Alexia: I will google the Ju Ju Beanie Face thing, though I did and found nothing relevant.

Wg: I heard about that (here actually, somewhere above) I think, if my memory serves me correctly, it will be called the Soothsayer there is confusion as to whose point of view it will be written in, (Angela/Elva/Solumbum, Eragon/Arya/Firnin/Saphira, Murtaugh/Nasuada/Thorn)

Alexia: I wouldn't be glad about that, Paolini took FOREVER to write Inheritance, and that wasn't very good... Imagine what the Soothsayer will end up like! O.o

Ben: LOOL your comment directly contradicted itself, maybe i read it wrong... anyway, to comment on that (because we all know i must =P) a sequal to Murtaughs ending would only mean giving him a happy ending, I'm perfectly OK with leaving him to die alone, but others argue, I only want a sequel to see how Paolini would have liked to see Murtagh off, properly. (Also to be able to join another chat-group which argues about the ending :D ) I agree with you, Murtaughs ending was underwhelming, but you kind shrug it off while people like me start panicking and rant till a sequel comes out (maybe we could start a protest... burn stuff and scream, it'll be fun! =P) All in All, your wrong Ben... WE NEED A SEQUEL!!! really badly.

Ju Ju Beanie face is something me and my friend made up. You won't find it on Google, silly.

Well the story will factor into Angela's past a great deal, but I have no idea whose point of view it will be written from, or the title. Eragon and Arya will definitely be in it. Trust me, he got asked more than enough times about that. Murtagh and Nasuada too. Hopefully, the story will be better but I'm not holding my breath.

If he hadn't been planning on writing a follow-up earlier, he most definitely is now. So many people will have been asking about it, he's going to realize how many things he left buried, so to speak.

The point was that he'd just been freed from a life and slavery and violence that, in some way, he'd actually grown to enjoy. He's messed up in the head, and he knows it. He might love Nasuada, but he knew that staying around wasn't going to do him any good when he's so conflicted.

Also, she's freaking queen now, having a half unstable, dragon riding, ex-servant of Galbatorix is hardly a good political move, now is it?

Well, it would show the people that she is merciful.

Alexia wrote: "Well, it would show the people that she is merciful."

That is not always a good thing.

Badgerlord wrote: "Alexia wrote: "Well, it would show the people that she is merciful."

That is not always a good thing."

It really depends on whether its a good thing or not:

on one hand, it shows shes merciful because she forgave him and Thorn despite all the mischeif and hurt they caused everyone, it is argueable that he was under Galbatorixs influence but simple farmers wouldnt pay much attention to that fact anyway...

on the other hand, Murtaughs evil!! (lool this coming from me...) he sabotaged people, killed hundreds(including Hrothgar) and was quick to turn good on impulse, that shows that hes unsteady and may turn bad again without hesitation...

as much as it pains me to say, Paolini was right *Gasp!!* not to let Murtaugh stay with Nasuada, it would have created more situations than solutions.

Paolini=1, AnnaBanana=0, I will have my revenge...

Yes, Paolini was right, but that doesn't mean I like it any better.

By the way, Murtagh is NOT evil.

Alexia wrote: "By the way, Murtagh is NOT evil."

A lot of mentally unstable people have been classified as evil.

But he's not.

Look I don't think he's mentally unstable. I mean look at when he explains himself in Eldest.. He says it plain and clear. Eragon could have easily been born in to Murtaghs life or vise-versa. And frankly I believe Eragon could not have handled it the way Murtagh did. He did the best he could with the cards he was delt; and the fact that he did not turn out evil and fought against Galbatorix in the end is an amazing feat.
Given his life and how he was treated as an outcast from the very beginning it would have been easy for him to become someone like Galbatorix. But he rebeled against that and tried to not become what everyone expected him to be.(As Mozans son) It wasn't his fault he got captured by the creepo twins..
And I think we all know he played along with Galbatorix because he had no choice. None. And in the end he proved wiser and stronger, he just had to wait for the right time to act. Life, like Chess is a game of strategy and sometimes you have to sacrific you're knight or even your queen. Right? If he rebeled in the beginning and didn't kill and do as Galbatorix wished he would never have been able to help Eragon because Galbatorix would have been rid of him. And he knew that Galbatorix would have those people dead anyway. He did it so he could gain Galbatorix's trust. He did it knowing that it wasn't who he was but rather who the world always thought he was. But he was strong and did what he had to do, for the kingdom! He did it and didn't give up! He could have chosen to die rather than to surfer and make others sufer. But he saw the greater picture and he knew the right moment would arise where he could redeem himself and help save Alageasia.
And the sad thing is that Eragon doubted him so many times. Could he not like figure it out. I mean Eragon was practically surprised when Murtagh said he did everything because he was sworn in the ancient language. Duh.. i mean whatever.
Murtagh helped save Alageasia and in the end he ended up alone just like he started, its sad. But the point is hes not unstable. I mean he's the opposite. An unstable person would not have survived.

Oh and its Clear he's not evil. I mean the entire series is proof of that. And i'm sure Paolini would agree with me.

Finally someone agrees with me! Maybe it took them three paragraphs, but someone agrees with me!!!

Woah! Settle down guys! I don't think that Murtagh is evil. And I don't think he's mentally unstable in the conventional sense. I agree that he is a very strong willed character, but I think his mind would have taken some 'protective measures' to stop him going full out talking-to-rocks crazy (I was going to say talking to trees, but I remembered that Eragon has already kind of done that). Have any of you guys sense M.A.S.H. where the two main characters are always doing things like riding bikes through through the E.R., or read the Chaos Walking series where Tod is forced to do all that really horrid stuff and his mind tries to shut itself down? That's the kind of crazy I think Murtagh has gone, and he needs some time with just his other half (Thorn) to cool down.

Simply stating "Murtagh is not evil!" isn't goingt o get the forum anywhere but in endless circles. Oh well apparently several paragraphs make people uncomfortable. I'll try to keep it elementary next time then.
OMZ MURTAGH IS NOT EVIL!@@!!! >


Badgerlord I was just backing up my Murtagh is not evil rant.. nothing against you. I haven't seen MASH lol only the intro but yes I could see how he's shaken by everything and yeah I do think its okay that he had to leave.>>>>
To get some perspective, some peace and finally some freedom.

ugh

Perhaps I was rude and i'm sorry but I felt it was an appropriate response for your unnecessary rudeness regarding the length it took my to get my point across. I mean why does it matter, I feel as if you just want to be a jerk for no reason.

Murtagh wasn't inherently evil. I think it's more of a tabula rasa instance where his environment shaped him. And as much as I liked the idea of Nasuada and Murtagh together, it really wouldn't have worked out. They might love each other, but their subjects wouldn't love them together.

That being said, there needs to be a sequel or at least some more development on their relationship as well as Saphira and Firnen (At the moment I can't take them seriously, so more about them would be appreciated. Still a staunch Saphira and Thorn fan, though.)

Cinderela wrote: "Perhaps I was rude and i'm sorry but I felt it was an appropriate response for your unnecessary rudeness regarding the length it took my to get my point across. I mean why does it matter, I feel as..."

I'm not being a jerk. I just don't have the time to read your rants.

Well, Alexia doesnt wanna e a jerk for no reason but i kinda do, mainly ecause everyone is agreeing on the same subgect (the fact that murtaigh is not evil) and i find it boring when everyone agrees so to stir the pot a little, i will be on the side opposing Murtaugh and claiming him to be evil, not because i believe it but because no one else will.

please excuse my spelling/grammar as I was in a hurry.

Murtaugh was under oaths, true. He saved Alagaesia (eventually), true. but 'He acted better that some people in his position', is somewhat debatable. If he knows how to act with Evil people (ie. Galatorix) and he obviously didnt learn that from someone like his mother (since he wasnt allowed to see her) then he learnt while in the castle, living normaly. This means that anyone else in his position (ie. Eragon) would have done the same as Murtaugh because the only factors that change between Murtaugh and Eragon are their fathers, and frankly, eragons dad is Brom (aka, the good guy) while Murtaughs dad is Morzan/the bad guy (i think thats his name...) This proves that anyone in Murtaughs position would have made the same choices.

Eragon would not have ended up in Murtaughs position anyway, because their parents arent the same people so there is close to no chance that Eragon would end up being born rather than Murtaugh to Selena(the mom) at that time. I will not elaborate on this point for obvious reasons, but you get the jists of it.

I think that Murtaugh may be mentally unstable because lets face it, hes a very uneasy charecter, either drunk, or on a killing rampage, or cuddling up with the enemies leader in the dungeon. I wouldnt blame him if he were mentally challenged (lol) because who wouldnt be, after living with Galbatorix for so long (who we know was mentally unstable because of how he acted after his first dragon died.

In many peoples perspectives, Murtaugh is evil because chances are, he killed people close to them, (or his master [Galbatorix] did anyway,) I dont agree with the way Murtaugh acted, in many senarios, from killing Hrothgar (totally unnessesary) to **insert another thing that Murtaugh did that was evil/unnessesary** sorry,im having an off day =P Point is, Murtaugh may not be 'run around and kill infants' evil, but hes not 'help old ladies cross the street' nice either. Everyone has their pros and cons, though Murtaugh may have more of the latter.

I dont mean to insult anyone with m accusations above, but i just detest it when everyone agrees on the same idea when were in the middle of a rant. I personally dont think murtaugh is that bad (hes WAYY better than Eragon hands down!!) but hes not exactly mr.perfect either. Point is, feel free to disagree! =P

I apoligize to Alexia (and others) for writing such a long comment, i will translate it into an easy-to-read sentance here:
Murtaugh is Evil and Mentally Challenged =P lool. no offense to anyone!!

Annabanana wrote: "Well, Alexia doesnt wanna e a jerk for no reason but i kinda do, mainly ecause everyone is agreeing on the same subgect (the fact that murtaigh is not evil) and i find it boring when everyone agree..."

Well that just makes him all the more sexy.

"Cinderela wrote:Well that just makes him all the more sexy."

LOOOL! random much?!? =P XD
I expected very...different...replies O.o =D

I know I was so sad he didn't stay with her

Cinderela wrote: "Annabanana wrote: "Well, Alexia doesnt wanna e a jerk for no reason but i kinda do, mainly ecause everyone is agreeing on the same subgect (the fact that murtaigh is not evil) and i find it boring ..."


ikr?

*SPOILERS*

I think Murtagh should have ended up...but then again, I also think that eragon should have been with Arya....I was just dissapointed at the end of this book that neither one of those happened...

yeah. I mean, It wouldn't have been as bad if only one of them hadn't happened, but come on! Both?!

yeah, paolini kinda messed up the romance there by killing both potential couples. I see the point of not letting Murtaugh stay with nasuada but it would've been kinda cute for Eragon and Arya to do a long-distance relationship kinda thing...(though those never work =P) I think the reason poilini didn't focus much on the romance cuz he was uncomfortable 'round romance books and stuff (considering he was only a kid when he started the series) but then you have to wonder why he did write alot about Saphira-and-Firnin and Roran-and-Katrina, or just Roran&Katrina considering Saphira and Firnin are dragons so it doesnt really count... now im confused.

ikr? He did that whole thing with Roran and Katrina, but then refuses to do anything with Arya and Eragon? What's with that???

right?!! i dont even understand him, on one hand, hes practically ignoring eragon and arya, on the other, hes spelling out every romantic scene between Roran and katrina...hes crazy!

Exactly! I mean, Katrina was pregnant before they were even married!!! Eragon and Arya didn't even kiss. :(

yeah and I'm pretty sure in the next series, he's gonna make Saphira pregnant from Firnin but will he allow Arya and Eragon to develop, even to just hand-holding?!? doubt it!! (and what was with Katrina getting pregnant before marriage, is he tryinh to set an example?! he's not doing a good job of it!)

I know! I dont think I would have minded if Eragon and Arya actually tried to have a relationship and it just didnt work. But for them to not get the chance at all is just annoying. Through the whole series I was like "it's gonna end with them together, it has to." and then I read the last page of the last book and....they're not. :(

I know!!!!! Even my mom was upset about that!

Paolini really knows how to kill a potentially perfect couple! shame on you, you ruined not one but two adorable couples Paolini. . . and upset ALOT of Fans! (myself included)

Here! Here!

agreed!

oops, i mean... hear! hear!

Annabanana wrote: "Paolini really knows how to kill a potentially perfect couple! shame on you, you ruined not one but two adorable couples Paolini. . . and upset ALOT of Fans! (myself included)"

Agreed. And they were both half brothers.. I had such hopes for Eragon and Arya and Nasuada and Murtagh.. *sigh*

*sigh*

I seriously felt like tracking down paolini and giving him a serious talking to. Eragon and Arya should have been together. I wanted them to be together from the start...grrrr *sigh*

ikr?

I could just talk about this forever, because that is how frustrated I am about it. I'm even thinking about writing my own ending for it. One where Arya realises that she loves Eragon and follows him to tell him. That's how it should have ended. (or something like that)

lol little emotional for an elf. but I agree with tracking him down. . .even though I find it a little stalker-like for my taste =P your right though. . .we need an ending, a real 1! I think I'd go mad if he doesn't write one soon! ugh Paolini...why couldn't you just write a good ending?!??