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Series Read: Pink Carnation: The Secret History of the Pink Carnation, by Lauren Willig ("Buddy Read" DQs) Start Date: Feb. 3, 2012

1. Why do you think Mrs. Selwick-Alderly decides to share the papers with Eloise?
2. I’ve heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel growing up. I had to look it up on Wikipedia and found out he is a fictional character. Did everyone else know that or am I the only one? LOL. The author makes him sound real! What do you make of all these floral code names? Do you think they have special significance?
3. I thought the conversation with Richard and his mother was hilarious. Isn’t it funny how, no matter how accomplished you are, you are always a child in your parents’ eyes? What did you think of this scene? Can you relate?
4. I was impressed with Jane and how she was able to convince everyone to let them sail to France. What do you think her role in this story is?
5. I give Amy an “A” for passion, but a “C” for perception. Anyone else find her naïve? I mean, how else is the Purple Gentian supposed to do his espionage in France without having some kind of cover story? How do you feel about her? How do you feel about Richard?
6. At this point, do you think Amy will discover Richard is the Purple Gentian in time to help him uncover Bonaparte’s invasion plans? How do you think this will happen? Do you think he will let her help him or do you think she will force herself on him?
7. I like Richard’s idea for the instructional pamphlet “Some Thoughts on the Necessity of the Avoidance of the Opposite Sex While Engaged in Espionage: A Practical Guide”. What thoughts or tips would you include? Do you think it would work for both sexes?
Lisa Kay’s Questions for Chapters 8 – 14
8. Oh, dear! Colin is a bit of a pompous asshat, isn’t he?
9. Was Edouard really confused as to the date of Amy’s arrival? Why offer their mother’s bedroom, and then in the next breath declare she really shouldn’t go into the West Wing? Did he slip, or was he setting her up? Where do his loyalties lie?
10. Well! I wasn’t expecting a (view spoiler) Glad Jane believed Amy about him; she’s a pretty good investigator, isn’t she? Who is he? Where did he go? Was it on his own volition?
11. What is your impression of Geoffrey Pinchingdale-Snipe?
12. Richard is harboring some self-loathing from his relationship with Deirdre. Comments.
13. Looks like Gaston Delaroche is going to be the “Big Fuc#er” in this story. Do you think I am right? BTW, I had to look up nom de guerre = name of war So Delaroche thinks the Purple Gentian is Scarlet Pimpernel. Suspects: a) Sir Percy Blakeney,
14. Gwen" Meadows, Amy & Jane's spinster chaperone is cracking me up. I would want to meet her in a dark alley. No question here, just an observation.
15. Will Amy make a real friend in Hortense? Will Pauline Leclerc get her eyes scratched out? Will Amy get into trouble tonight, or later in the story?
Susan's Questions for Chapters 16-23
16. Did you notice there was someone dressed in black, rolling their eyes while Richard and Amy kissed? I wonder who that was. Any ideas?
17. What do you think Amy will do with her percieved knowledge that Georges Marston is the Purple Gentian?
18. Back to the future! I almost forget that we're getting a flashback reading about Amy and Richard. Colin had an interesting reaction to Eloise's question about where Serena was. Why? I thought Colin was nicer this time in his conversation with Eloise. Why do you think he threw that non-disclosure stuff out about what Eloise finds out?
19. AHA! The wounded man lives! And he's at Tuillieries! Would you care to speculate on his identity?
20. A lot happened in the last few chapters of this section - Amy got some important information, she sent a note to Marston for a clandestine meeting, Richard (disguised as the Purple Gentian) saved her from Marston, they came up with a plan to intercept the gold, and a smoking hot boat ride! Do you think Amy figured out who the Purple Gentian is because of his comment about making a necklace out of stars for her? I kind of hope she did ;) Comments on any of this?

21. Whoa, Richard almost forgot where he was. Nice that he has the help of the boatman, but, drat!, I could have used that for the Location, location, location! Challenge. LOL! Anyway, it shows that he really is attracted to Amy. Too bad he broke her heart. And he is still having wishy-washy doubts about her. Comments.
22. Do you mind being pulled back to the present day with Eloise’s POV chapters?
23. Delaroche has spies everywhere. With regards to DQ#16, could it have been one of his spies rolling their eyes?
24. You were right, Susan, the “necklace of stars” phrase gave Richard away. And everyone knew but Amy. See, Jane is pretty smart! Comments. What do you think of Amy’s revenge plan? And that Miss Gwen approves?!
25. Back to Present Day: Amy’s not the Pink Carnation? Huh? Well, at least the relationship between Colin and Serena is revealed. What do you think that means to Eloise? I think Serena is pregnant. You?
26. Well, we found out who the wounded man was. Were you as surprised and I was? I like that Jane so efficiently got rid of Georges Marston. Think we’ve seen the last of him? What will Edouard have to say about it all?
27. What do you think of Lord and Lady Uppington and the rest of Richard’s family? Wouldn’t you think Amy, or Jane or Miss Gwen would know he has more than a brief dalliance in mind if he’s bringing his family & friends over at that time of night, wouldn’t you? Feeling about the walking in the courtyard? Afterward, I thought the “three girls with their heads together” was too much of a “teenager” giggling scene for my taste. The author’s first misstep, IMHO.
28. Did I say the boat in front of a boatman was an indiscreet location? Ha! Delaroche’s bedroom is more so. I know you didn’t stop there, but I will. Comments?






Does someone know the number of chapters/pages?


BTW, Lisa Kay, be careful when you re-install ADE. I once had my license frozen on some of my ebooks when I reinstalled. Can't remember how I fixed it, just thought I'd mention beware.

Chapter breakdown sounds good.

How about this breakdown?
There are 428 pages in my book, divided by 5 that will equal about 85 pages per day.
Feb 1 ~ Prologue to Ch 7 (taita)
Feb 2 ~ Ch 8 to Ch 15 (Lisa Kay)
Feb 3 ~ Ch 16 to Ch 23
Feb 4 ~ Ch 24 to Ch 33
Feb 5 ~ Ch 34 to End
I'd be happy to another set if there are no other volunteers. Please just let me know.
Oh - And is Feb 1 still a good start for everyone? If not, I can wait a little longer too.

Vi, are you feeling better?



Hope the kids are better soon!

taita’s Questions for the Prologue to Chapter 7
1. Why do you think Mrs. Selwick-Alderly decides to share the papers with Eloise?
2. I’ve heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel growing up. I had to look it up on Wikipedia and found out he is a fictional character. Did everyone else know that or am I the only one? LOL. The author makes him sound real! What do you make of all these floral code names? Do you think they have special significance?
3. I thought the conversation with Richard and his mother was hilarious. Isn’t it funny how, no matter how accomplished you are, you are always a child in your parents’ eyes? What did you think of this scene? Can you relate?
4. I was impressed with Jane and how she was able to convince everyone to let them sail to France. What do you think her role in this story is?
5. I give Amy an “A” for passion, but a “C” for perception. Anyone else find her naïve? I mean, how else is the Purple Gentian supposed to do his espionage in France without having some kind of cover story? How do you feel about her? How do you feel about Richard?
6. At this point, do you think Amy will discover Richard is the Purple Gentian in time to help him uncover Bonaparte’s invasion plans? How do you think this will happen? Do you think he will let her help him or do you think she will force herself on him?
7. I like Richard’s idea for the instructional pamphlet “Some Thoughts on the Necessity of the Avoidance of the Opposite Sex While Engaged in Espionage: A Practical Guide”. What thoughts or tips would you include? Do you think it would work for both sexes?


1. Why do you think Mrs. Selwick-Alderly decides to share the papers with Eloise?
I don’t really know. Maybe she just liked Eloise? Maybe she felt it was time for the story to come out? Maybe she wanted to see the reveal before the end of her life? Worse case, she’s pulling her leg; but, I don’t think so.
2. I’ve heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel growing up. I had to look it up on Wikipedia and found out he is a fictional character. Did everyone else know that or am I the only one? LOL. The author makes him sound real! What do you make of all these floral code names? Do you think they have special significance?
I know about the Scarlet Pimpernel from books and movies. My mom read it to us when we were probably too young to appreciate it. Still, I have fond memories of it. I should read his story again. Yes, floral codes – or monikers – were really popular back then. I think they’re neat.
3. I thought the conversation with Richard and his mother was hilarious. Isn’t it funny how, no matter how accomplished you are, you are always a child in your parents’ eyes? What did you think of this scene? Can you relate?
It was funny. I’m listening to the audiobook and it is very well done. Actually, when I reached my thirties, I got to know my wonderful parents all over again as an adult. It was one of the best gifts they ever gave me. Of course, there is a part of me that will always be their little girl.
4. I was impressed with Jane and how she was able to convince everyone to let them sail to France. What do you think her role in this story is?
Yes, love Jane. Still waters run deep. I don’t know, but it will be interesting. Maybe she’ll have her own book!
5. I give Amy an “A” for passion, but a “C” for perception. Anyone else find her naïve? I mean, how else is the Purple Gentian supposed to do his espionage in France without having some kind of cover story? How do you feel about her? How do you feel about Richard?
Yes, she is naïve. Still, just the “odds” were incredible that she would run into him on the way to France, so I’ll cut her some slack. I like Richard, he’s funny and smart and he’s falling for Amy.
6. At this point, do you think Amy will discover Richard is the Purple Gentian in time to help him uncover Bonaparte’s invasion plans? How do you think this will happen? Do you think he will let her help him or do you think she will force herself on him?
Oh, I think she’ll nose her way in. I think she’ll be crucial to the plot, and become involved at a critical point where he can’t let her back out.
7. I like Richard’s idea for the instructional pamphlet “Some Thoughts on the Necessity of the Avoidance of the Opposite Sex While Engaged in Espionage: A Practical Guide”. What thoughts or tips would you include? Do you think it would work for both sexes?
Rule #1) Don’t every let your mind wander with thoughts of kissing them! LOL! Works both ways, I think.

#1 - Not sure why she did it either. If it's a family secret, why Eloise? What's so special about her?
#2 - I'll have to read the play for myself. I think the flower names are clever, though not very frightening. Wonder if any of these plants are poisonous...
#3 - I can totally relate with this scene. I'll probably do the same with my kiddies.
#4 - I'm more like Amy than Jane. I get all dramatic and passionate. I could learn something from her calm exterior. I hope she gets her own book too.
#5 - Amy's driving me a little nuts. Not sure why, but I always seem to feel sympathetic to the heroes. I'm loving Richard and the interplay between the two. I'll be marking this for my the Who's Your Hero Challenge. (I'm supposed to be with a Genius Gentleman.)
#6 - I think Amy will force her way unwittingly and then Richard will reluctantly have to confess he's the Purple Gentian.
#7 - My rule would be "Avoid eye contact at all costs. Should you find yourself mesmerized and losing thought or thinking of how nice the other person smells, quickly smack yourself on the head and run the opposite way." Applies to both sexes.

#1 – Hopefully, we’ll find out before the end!
#2 – Whoa. I didn’t think of poisonous. Good thinking.
#4 – I like both of them. I’m a Virgo with a Scorpio Moon, so I don’t know whether to be passionate or practically.
#5 – I sympathize with both pretty equally. I always think I identify with the heroines more than other readers; however, I usually stop reading a book with one I don’t like. LOL!
#7 – That could work! ☺

8. Oh, dear! Colin is a bit of a pompous asshat, isn’t he?
9. Was Edouard really confused as to the date of Amy’s arrival? Why offer their mother’s bedroom, and then in the next breath declare she really shouldn’t go into the West Wing? Did he slip, or was he setting her up? Where do his loyalties lie?
10. Well! I wasn’t expecting a (view spoiler) Glad Jane believed Amy about him; she’s a pretty good investigator, isn’t she? Who is he? Where did he go? Was it on his own volition?
11. What is your impression of Geoffrey Pinchingdale-Snipe?
12. Richard is harboring some self-loathing from his relationship with Deirdre. Comments.
13. Looks like Gaston Delaroche is going to be the “Big Fuc#er” in this story. Do you think I am right? BTW, I had to look up nom de guerre = name of war So Delaroche thinks the Purple Gentian is Scarlet Pimpernel. Suspects: a) Sir Percy Blakeney,
14. Gwen" Meadows, Amy & Jane's spinster chaperone is cracking me up. I would want to meet her in a dark alley. No question here, just an observation.
15. Will Amy make a real friend in Hortense? Will Pauline Leclerc get her eyes scratched out? Will Amy get into trouble tonight, or later in the story?



1. Why do you think Mrs. Selwick-Alderly decides to share the papers with Eloise?
I don't know. Maybe she likes the fact that it's a woman who is doing the research cause I would assume that it's typically men who research espionage.
2. I’ve heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel growing up. I had to look it up on Wikipedia and found out he is a fictional character. Did everyone else know that or am I the only one? LOL. The author makes him sound real! What do you make of all these floral code names? Do you think they have special significance?
I had heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel but didn't know he was a fictional character. I don't know if there is any significance to the flower names. I'd imagine they mean something because they are not at all imposing or scary LOL
3. I thought the conversation with Richard and his mother was hilarious. Isn’t it funny how, no matter how accomplished you are, you are always a child in your parents’ eyes? What did you think of this scene? Can you relate?
I loved this scene! I have a 21 year old daughter who is married and having her second child and I still have to think before I speak cause it's easy to talk to her like she's 10 and I know better cause I'm the mom.
4. I was impressed with Jane and how she was able to convince everyone to let them sail to France. What do you think her role in this story is?
I was very impressed with Jane and her quick thinking. I think she'll be important to the story. She'll be the level head that will temper Amy's spontaneity.
5. I give Amy an “A” for passion, but a “C” for perception. Anyone else find her naïve? I mean, how else is the Purple Gentian supposed to do his espionage in France without having some kind of cover story? How do you feel about her? How do you feel about Richard?
I find myself smiling everytime we get Amy's pov. She's a little naive, but her innocence and energy are endearing to me. Yes, she has plans (a-g HAHA) for finding the Purple Gentian, but she has no real idea of how that would work. I like Richard! LOTS! He's smart and I love that he's affected by what Amy thinks of him.
6. At this point, do you think Amy will discover Richard is the Purple Gentian in time to help him uncover Bonaparte’s invasion plans? How do you think this will happen? Do you think he will let her help him or do you think she will force herself on him?
I think she'll make it where he has no choice but to let her help and he'll be forced to reveal his identity. But it won't be beforehand, it will be in the middle of a crisis.
7. I like Richard’s idea for the instructional pamphlet “Some Thoughts on the Necessity of the Avoidance of the Opposite Sex While Engaged in Espionage: A Practical Guide”. What thoughts or tips would you include? Do you think it would work for both sexes?
The pamphlet idea was funny. I think it could definitely be applied to both sexes.

#1 – I literally gasped when I read your answer! Why didn’t I think of that? I bet that’s it. She’s a woman. ☺ Clever
#2 – I’ll have to do some research on the meaning of those flowers.
#3 – LOL! Good for you, Susan. At least you try.
#4 & 5 – Spot-on!
#6 – I’m going with crisis too, LOL!

Purple Gentian Gentiana verna

Gentian (fringed) = Intrinsic worth, I look to heaven, autumn
Gentian (closed) = Sweet be thy dreams
I also so places it meant "(well) born" and "You are unjust" b/c it is hard for gardeners to grow. It has a lot of "healing" properties.
Scarlet Pimpernel flower (Anagallis arvensis) the

Means...
Pimpernel/Poor man's weather glass = Change

I'm having fun reading this book too though I'm having to chunk out time in between my other responsibilities to do it. Why oh why did I not go into the editing business? Don't they get paid to read all the time? LOL.
# 3 - I agree with Lisa Kay, good for you for even trying and recognizing it!
#6 - I think you're right. She'll force her way and it will be under duress.
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The Secret History of the Pink Carnation, by Lauren Willig
Deciding that true romantic heroes are a thing of the past, Eloise Kelly, an intelligent American who always manages to wear her Jimmy Choo suede boots on the day it rains, leaves Harvard's Widener Library bound for England to finish her dissertation on the dashing pair of spies the Scarlet Pimpernel and the Purple Gentian. What she discovers is something the finest historians have missed: a secret history that begins with a letter dated 1803. Eloise has found the secret history of the Pink Carnation the most elusive spy of all time, the spy who single-handedly saved England from Napoleon's invasion.
The Secret History of the Pink Carnation, a wildly imaginative and highly adventurous debut, opens with the story of a modern-day heroine but soon becomes a book within a book. Eloise Kelly settles in to read the secret history hoping to unmask the Pink Carnation's identity, but before she can make this discovery, she uncovers a passionate romance within the pages of the secret history that almost threw off the course of world events. How did the Pink Carnation save England? What became of the Scarlet Pimpernel and the Purple Gentian? And will Eloise Kelly find a hero of her own?
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We are planning a "buddy read" of the first book in the Pink Carnation series. Anyone is welcome to join in the discussion questions or just pop in to say "Hi!"
Tenative Start Date: February 1, 2012
EXPECT SPOILERS!
Participants So Far
taita
Susan
Niq
Vi
Lisa Kay
Lurkers
Pamela
CaroB.
I don't know if there are "spoilers" here or not, but this is a list of characters from shelfari.com I mainly put it under a "view spoiler" because it is so long and I wanted to scroll less, LOL! (view spoiler)[
• Eloise Kelly: A modern graduate student writing a dissertation on spies of the French Revolution
• Arabella Selwick-Alderley: Elderly descendent of the Purple Gentian, a British spy during the French Revolution, who allows Eloise the use of her family papers
• Colin Selwick: Nephew of Arabella Selwick-Alderley, somewhat less agreeable about the use of said papers
• Amy Balcourt/Aimee de Balcourt: An idealistic young woman in 1803 who fantasizes about becoming a spy to help the British cause during the Revolution as she travels to France to visit her brother
• Jane Wooliston: Amy's cousin, who accompanies her to France. She is very smart and crafty.
• Gwendolyn "Gwen" Meadows: Jane and Amy's spinster chaperone. Wields a lethal parasol and aspires to write a highly sensational three-volume novel.
• Richard Selwick: An antiquarian in the employment of Napoleon Bonaparte - also a dashing British spy known as the Purple Gentian
• Gaston Delaroche: The sinister French Assistant Minister of Police, who seeks to capture the Purple Gentian
• Edouard de Balcourt: Amy's rather foppish and degenerate elder brother, residing in Paris
• Miles Dorrington: Member of the League of the Purple Gentian, employee of the War Office, and one of Richard's best friends. Prone to floppy hair and a rather enthusiastic demeanor.
• Geoffrey Pinchingdale-Snipe: Member of the League of the Purple Gentian and Richard's other best friend. Tends to be reserved and serious.
• Georges Marston: One of Edouard's rather shady and ill-mannered friends. He is suspected to be the Purple Gentian.
• Marchioness of Uppington/Honoria Selwick: Richard's mother that wants to get him married off, and end the business of being the Purple Gentian. She is very much in love with her husband and wants the same for her son.
• Henrietta Anne Selwick: Richard's younger sister
• Vicomte de Balcourt: Amy's Papa that the Scarlet Pimpernel attempted to rescue from prison.
• Sir Percy Blakeney: The Scarlet Pimpernel
• Mary: A Wooliston family maid
• Marquess of Uppington: Richard's father who wants desperately to be included in a mission. Is crazy about his wife.
• Henry Meadows: A neighbor and Derek's father.
• Derek Meadows: His mother snad Aunt Prudence are pushing Derek and Amy together. Derek likes Amy but she wants nothing to do with him.
• Bertrand Wooliston: Amy's uncle and Jane's father. He owns a sheep farm.
• Prudence Wooliston: Jane's mother and Amy's aunt.
• Ned Wooliston: The youngest of the Wooliston children.
• Agnes: Jane's younger sister.
• Robbins: Richard's driver
• Stiles: Richard's butler. He is not 80 years old, but is an actor pretending to be.
• Augustus Whittlesby: A romantic poet suspect of being the Purple Gentian.
• Vivant Denon: in charge of setting up Bonaparte's new museum in the Louvre Palace.
• Mme de Kremy: Denon's mistress
• Josephine Bonaparte: Napoleon's wife. She knew Amy's mother before the Revolution.
• Hortense de Beauharnais Bonaparte: Josephine's daughter by her first marriage, and Hortense married Napoleon's younger brother, Louis.
• Pauline Leclerc: Napoleon's young sister. She is a widow and has her sights set on Richard for a bit of fun.
• Pammy: A childhood friend of Eloise. She moved to London and has wealthy friends.
• Serena: A friend of Pammy's and is seen with Colin.
• Deirdre: A French lady that Richard fell in love with six year ago and lost a friend because of it.
• Joseph Fouche: The Minister of Police
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