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March 8, 2023
Dr. Andrew Huberman — The Foundations of Physical and Mental Performance, Core Supplements, Sexual Health and Fertility, Sleep Optimization, Psychedelics, and More (#660)

“Sleep, nutrients, exercise, light, relationships—those really establish the foundation of what I consider to be all of the elements that create our ability to move as seamlessly as possible between the states that we happen to be in and the states we desire to be in.”
— Dr. Andrew Huberman
Andrew Huberman, PhD (@hubermanlab), is a neuroscientist and tenured professor in the Department of Neurobiology at Stanford University’s School of Medicine. He has made numerous important contributions to the fields of brain development, brain function, and neural plasticity. Work from the Huberman Laboratory at Stanford Medicine has been consistently published in top journals including Nature, Science, and Cell.
Andrew is the host of the podcast Huberman Lab, which is often ranked as one of the top five podcasts in the world by both Apple and Spotify. The show aims to help viewers and listeners improve their health with science and science-based tools. New episodes air every Monday on YouTube and all podcast platforms.
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#521: Dr. Andrew Huberman — A Neurobiologist on Optimizing Sleep, Enhancing Performance, Reducing Anxiety, Increasing Testosterone, and Using the Body to Control the MindWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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Just say no.[2:20:50] Concerns about cannabis.[2:29:46] Changing thoughts on psychedelics.[2:36:31] Raising research funds with Huberman Lab premium.[2:40:12] Andrew’s clinical psychedelic experiences.[2:48:15] A reminder not to trust street drugs, kids.[2:49:15] The exciting, seemingly endless applications of psychedelic research.[2:55:45] Parting thoughts.MORE ANDREW HUBERMAN QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“If we don’t actually take the time to figure out what’s going on in our head, how can we really trust that we’re on the best path?”
— Dr. Andrew Huberman
“Sleep, nutrients, exercise, light, relationships—those really establish the foundation of what I consider to be all of the elements that create our ability to move as seamlessly as possible between the states that we happen to be in and the states we desire to be in.”
— Dr. Andrew Huberman
“The state that we’re in on Monday has a lot to do with what we did on Sunday.”
— Dr. Andrew Huberman
“If you’re on a plane and you’re bouncing your knee, it’s actually a meaningful—it’s not a replacement for exercise, but in terms of its metabolic impact, is meaningful. I find that really interesting and perhaps of all the things that we’ll discuss today, if you’re unwilling to try that, then your bar for entry is just way too high.”
— Dr. Andrew Huberman
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March 3, 2023
Revisiting Warren Buffett’s Advice to Me in 2008 (Plus: 7 Lessons for Young Investors)
“The four most expensive words in the English language are ‘this time it’s different.’”
— Sir John Marks Templeton, dubbed “the greatest global stock picker of the century” in 1999
An old video recently resurfaced on social media. It’s yours truly asking Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger a question at the 2008 Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders Meeting:
“Hi, my name is Timothy Ferriss, and I’m a Guest Lecturer at Princeton University twice a year…”
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Before @tferriss was “Tim,” a slightly nervous “Timothy” asked Charlie & Warren in 08 to advise a newly successful 30-yr old, non-investment professional how best to invest.
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I was intensely nervous, as the quavering voice makes clear.
This clip went viral, and a number of media outlets (Wall Street Journal, Business Insider, etc.) reached out to me for comment, asking questions like “What advice would you give a 30-year-old now who’d just amassed their first million?”
Given space constraints, my full answers couldn’t be included.
I decided to write this blog post to share some expanded thoughts.
First things first: how on earth did I actually get a coveted mic and ask the Oracle of Omaha a question? It took some planning. Here’s the full story and strategy. For those interested, I also shared my highlighted notes from the event.
The first headline and subhead of the recent WSJ piece looked like this when I saw it:
Fair enough. I’ve studied Warren for a long time, read nearly all of his letters, and invested a lot according to his principles, so this made sense.
But then we have this curious development…
Since the above headline was used in the print edition, I’ll quickly clarify a few things.
The WSJ piece makes some great points and highlights hubris we all need to watch for in ourselves, but I do not identify as a Warren Buffett wannabe.
In fairness, the piece doesn’t directly describe me as such, but casual readers might conclude that based on the headline. I have indeed modeled him for a lot, and I highly recommend the books Seeking Wisdom: From Darwin to Munger and A Few Lessons for Investors and Managers from Warren Buffett, even if you don’t consider yourself an investor. But I don’t aspire to be Buffett in all things. I’ve also strongly advised against anyone trying to copy my investing approach with tech, so I’m more anti-cheerleader than cheerleader.
But perhaps most important, the print edition stated, “Mr. Ferriss ignored these pearls of wisdom [to invest in low-cost index funds].” The WSJ was kind enough to update the digital version, but in case you missed it, here’s the correction: I did put a decent portion of my money into low-cost index funds, as I fully accepted I was an amateur in public equities and had no competitive advantage. For me, this is true in almost all asset classes.
There is one exception. I decided to “go pro” with early-stage angel investing in tech. That ended up returning far more than if I had put all of my savings in a low-cost index fund in 2008.
I would highly advise against this for 99.99% of people, but I did approach it systematically, and I’ll share more on that below. It’s also worth reading The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future, which will give you an idea of how this world functions, how the economics work or don’t work, and what assumptions are made with investment strategies. Particularly for angel investors who don’t have the benefit of receiving management fees, “wins” generally mean that you end up with a substantial portion of your net-worth in 1–3 companies.
Is that anti-Buffett? Nope. In the same 2008 meeting, Buffett repeated a few things that he’s said and written many times in some form, including:
“Diversification is for the know-nothing investor.”
“There have been several times I had 75% of my net worth in one situation.”
“I mean, you will see things that …—if you’re working with smaller sums—it would be a mistake not to have half your net worth in.”
But… these only apply if you are willing to do a lot of heavy lifting.
If someone asked me to give investing advice to a 30-year-old today who had just made their first million, I would first point them somewhere else. I’m not a financial advisor and don’t think I’m qualified to give anyone financial advice. The particulars matter too much. But if they insisted, I might say:
(1) If you want to play in early-stage tech investing (or anything high-risk, high-reward), ensure you have a plan for developing an ENORMOUS informational advantage. Aim to develop new skills and relationships through portfolio companies so that you can win over time, even if you “fail” with many bets going to zero. Only bet what you are comfortable losing and what you can recoup in other ways. Though my angel investing snowballed, I began with $10K checks and advising for sweat equity. Think of this as tuition for a real-world MBA. Are you willing to move to the hub of activity to ensure the best possible information and deal flow, as I did when I moved to SF lifetimes ago? Or make commensurate commitments or sacrifices to ensure you are in a position to win? If not, I’d suggest choosing a different game. Other people will take the initiatives that you won’t, and they will beat you. Much of early-stage investing is cooperative, but let’s not kid ourselves, a lot of it is competitive, and not everyone will podium finish.
(2) For the rest—which could be everything—follow Buffett’s advice. Keep it simple.
One cautionary example of doing the opposite: I spotted the COVID curve ball early, and I made a lot of very “sophisticated” (complicated) decisions related to investing, and the associated research, diligence, phone calls, and so on chewed up an unbelievable amount of time and energy. Eighteen to twenty-four months later, I’d done very well but decided to look at how passive S&P 500 returns would’ve added up over the same period, and… they were roughly the same. Of course, you can’t always bank on this outcome, but beware of seeking complexity if you’ve been rewarded for problem-solving throughout your life. Looking back over the last 15+ years, the handful of investment decisions that made all the difference have been simple and were somewhat obvious to me, no major gear-grinding required.
(3) Knowing when to buy isn’t enough. Have policies and rules for when you will sell, or the universe will punish you with very bad and very expensive decisions.
(4) Don’t discount luck, including lucky timing. I started angel investing seriously in 2008 and hit a golden window of converging trends, cheap valuations (by today’s standards), and an uncrowded playing field. The financial crisis had culled the herd of a ton of investors and fair-weather founders. It was a target-rich environment, even for someone with very little to invest. Micro-VCs were just cracking out of their shells, and the big players hadn’t started assailing the seed stage stuff. In retrospect, it was a wildly rare combo of things. I don’t believe I could replicate what I did in 2008–2012 now.
(5) Personally, I’ve largely stepped back from angel investing to double down on writing and the podcast (The Tim Ferriss Show, soon to hit 1B downloads). This comes from a desire for more predictability and less stress. I love the excitement of startups, and I’ve had some lucky wins, but I don’t find it nearly as interesting as developing creative muscles that bring in forecastable revenue year after year. For me, that has compounded more reliably than the all-or-nothing bets. Massive ups and downs in sectors like crypto also take a toll that reduces my creative batteries. In this chapter of my life, I think simplicity is the name of the game (e.g., finding one decision that removes 100 decisions).
(6) Over-optimizing is just as bad, if not worse, than under-optimizing. Past a certain point, buying extra Skittles just doesn’t fucking matter. So, a note to self: stop fiddling around with your goddamn spreadsheets and get more interesting hobbies on the calendar. What hobbies? Exactly.
(7) If we assume the point of investing is ultimately to improve your quality of life and the quality of life of those you most care about, investments that consistently add stress over long periods of time probably don’t make sense. Money is traded for things or experiences that catalyze certain feelings. If your investments are generating the opposite spectrum of feelings, it might be time to reassess.
It’s easy to miss the forest for the trees. Money is a means, not an end.
And in the end, most things matter very, very little. Do what helps you sleep at night and wake up with a low heart rate. To me, those are the hallmarks of a world-class investor who gets the big picture.
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Michael Mauboussin — How Great Investors Make Decisions, Harnessing The Wisdom (vs. Madness) of Crowds, Lessons from Race Horses, and More (#659)

“Wall Street, even to this day, is replete with lots of rules of thumb and sort of old wives’ tales and shorthands for how to do things. And some of these things, when I would sit there and listen to them and try to cobble it all together, just didn’t make sense. And so for me it was this idea of the beginner’s mind and really saying, ‘How does this stuff really work?'”
— Michael Mauboussin
Michael Mauboussin (@mjmauboussin) is Head of Consilient Research on Counterpoint Global at Morgan Stanley Investment Management.
Prior to joining Counterpoint Global, Michael was Director of Research at BlueMountain Capital, Head of Global Financial Strategies at Credit Suisse, and Chief Investment Strategist at Legg Mason Capital Management. Michael originally joined Credit Suisse in 1992 as a packaged food industry analyst and was named Chief U.S. Investment Strategist in 1999.
Michael is the author of The Success Equation: Untangling Skill and Luck in Business, Sports, and Investing, Think Twice: Harnessing the Power of Counterintuition, and More Than You Know: Finding Financial Wisdom in Unconventional Places. More Than You Know was named one of “The 100 Best Business Books of All Time” by 800-CEO-READ, one of the best business books by BusinessWeek (2006), and best economics book by Strategy+Business (2006). Michael is also co-author, with Alfred Rappaport, of Expectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns.
Michael has been an adjunct professor of finance at Columbia Business School since 1993 and is on the faculty of the Heilbrunn Center for Graham and Dodd Investing. He received the Dean’s Award for Teaching Excellence in 2009 and 2016 and the Graham & Dodd, Murray, Greenwald Prize for Value Investing in 2021.
Michael earned an A.B. from Georgetown University. He is chairman emeritus of the board of trustees of the Santa Fe Institute, a leading center for multidisciplinary research in complex systems theory.
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Want to hear another episode with an investor of cutting-edge insight? Listen to my conversation with Benchmark’s Bill Gurley, in which we discussed sell-side analysts versus buy-side analysts, financial models, repurposing good ideas for alternative applications, the conviction of network effects, undervalued competitive advantages, cultivating anti-tribalism, America’s future, and much more.
#651: Legendary Investor Bill Gurley on Investing Rules, Finding Outliers, Insights from Jeff Bezos and Howard Marks, Must-Read Books, Creating True Competitive Advantages, Open-Source Strategies, Adapting Mental Models to New Realities, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Michael Mauboussin:The Success Equation: Untangling Skill and Luck in Business, Sports, and Investing by Michael Mauboussin | AmazonThink Twice: Harnessing the Power of Counterintuition by Michael Mauboussin | AmazonMore Than You Know: Finding Financial Wisdom in Unconventional Places by Michael Mauboussin | AmazonExpectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns by Michael Mauboussin and Alfred Rappaport | AmazonSanta Fe InstituteHistory of the Royal Society | Royal SocietyCreating Shareholder Value: A Guide for Managers and Investors by Alfred Rappaport | AmazonMichael Mauboussin, Interview No. 4 | Farnam Street BlogDrexel Burnham Lambert | WikipediaStokely Approves Quaker Bid | The New York TimesSports Science to Fuel Athletes | GatoradeConsilience: The Unity of Knowledge by E.O. Wilson | AmazonConsilient Observer | Morgan StanleyWho Actually Invented the Wheeled Suitcase? | Interesting EngineeringWALL-E | Prime VideoComplex Adaptive System | WikipediaEmbracing Complexity | Harvard Business ReviewThe Wisdom of Crowds by James Surowiecki | AmazonTeams Solve Problems Faster When They’re More Cognitively Diverse | Harvard Business ReviewThe Difference: How the Power of Diversity Creates Better Groups, Firms, Schools, and Societies by Scott E. Page | AmazonThe Diversity Bonus: How Great Teams Pay Off in the Knowledge Economy by Scott Page | AmazonMichael Mauboussin 20th Year Tribute Video | Andrew MauboussinHow to Unleash the Wisdom of Crowds | The ConversationMarket Efficiency and the Bean Jar Experiment | Financial Analysts JournalThe Asch Conformity Experiments | Verywell MindHow to Manage a Team to Make Good Decisions | Credit SuisseThe Future Divined by the Crowd | The New York TimesHow a Guessing Game Can Make You a Better Leader by Jake Wilder | The StartupAgainst the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk by Peter L. Bernstein | AmazonCapital Ideas: The Improbable Origins of Modern Wall Street by Peter L. Bernstein | AmazonBionomics: Economy as Business Ecosystem by Michael Rothschild | AmazonMore Heat than Light: Economics as Social Physics, Physics as Nature’s Economics by Philip Mirowski | AmazonComplexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and Chaos by M. Mitchell Waldrop | AmazonThe Economy As An Evolving Complex System: The Proceedings of the Evolutionary Paths of the Global Economy Workshop, Held September, 1987 in Santa Fe, New Mexico by Philip W. Anderson | AmazonValue Investing | InvestopediaInvest Like the Best with Patrick O’ShaughnessyPrivate vs. Public Company: What’s the Difference? | InvestopediaWhat Is a Buyout? | InvestopediaVenture Capital | InvestopediaHow Interest Rates Affect the US Markets | InvestopediaBase Rate | WikipediaDaniel Kahneman: Beware the ‘Inside View’ | McKinseyTriple Crown Teachings | Credit SuisseThink Twice: An Interview with Michael J. Mauboussin | Emerald PublishingBehave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst by Robert M. Sapolsky | AmazonWhy Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers: The Acclaimed Guide to Stress, Stress-Related Diseases, and Coping by Robert M. Sapolsky | AmazonThe 2007–2008 Financial Crisis in Review | InvestopediaMoneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game by Michael Lewis | AmazonPerforming a Project Pre-Mortem | Harvard Business ReviewVirtual History: Alternatives and Counterfactuals by Niall Ferguson | AmazonHindsight Bias | The Decision LabThe Dangers of “Creeping Determinism” | The Space ReviewSkill Stacking: How to Combine Your Talents for Greater Success with David Epstein | Chase Jarvis PhotographyConstruct Validity in Psychological Tests by Cronbach & Meehl (1955) | Classics in the History of PsychologyExpert Political Judgment: How Good Is It? How Can We Know? by Philip E. Tetlock | AmazonThe Wisdom of Crowds and The Expert Squeeze | Farnam Street BlogPrinciples of Naturalistic Decision Making | Naturalistic Decision Making AssociationProspect Theory | InvestopediaConditions for Intuitive Expertise: A Failure to Disagree | American PsychologistSystem 1 and System 2 Thinking | The Decision LabThe Art of Learning: An Inner Journey to Optimal Performance by Josh Waitzkin | AmazonChunking Theory in Chess | Bill WallDraft No. 4: On the Writing Process by John McPhee | AmazonDr. Matthew Walker, All Things Sleep Continued — The Hidden Dangers of Melatonin, Tools for Insomnia, Enhancing Learning and Sleep Spindles, The Upsides of Sleep Divorce, How Sleep Impacts Sex (and Vice Versa), Adventures in Lucid Dreaming, The One Clock to Rule Them All, The IP Addresses of Your Memories, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #654Game of Thrones | HBOThe Nurture Assumption: Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do by Judith Rich Harris | AmazonNo Two Alike: Human Nature and Human Individuality by Judith Rich Harris | AmazonParent Effectiveness Training: The Proven Program for Raising Responsible Children by Thomas Gordon | AmazonFree-Range Kids: How Parents and Teachers Can Let Go and Let Grow by Lenore Skenazy | Amazon12 Years After Free-Range Kids, How Has Childhood Changed? | ReasonYellowstone National Park | US National Park ServiceComplexity: A Guided Tour by Melanie Mitchell | AmazonSuperforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction by Philip E. Tetlock and Dan Gardner | AmazonPsychology of Intelligence Analysis by Richards J. Heuer | AmazonPsychology of Intelligence Analysis by Richards J. Heuer (PDF) | CIAIncerto: Fooled by Randomness, The Black Swan, The Bed of Procrustes, Antifragile, Skin in the Game by Nassim Nicholas Taleb | AmazonExpectations InvestingSHOW NOTES[07:12] Latin roots.[09:14] No business education? No problem![12:15] The best food industry analyst.[15:36] Consilience.[19:58] Complex adaptive systems.[23:26] Diversity.[26:23] The wisdom of crowds.[32:42] The minimum effective dose of cognitive diversity.[36:02] Designing experiments.[43:49] Against the Gods and Complexity.[49:56] Value investing and the Santa Fe Institute.[53:57] A brief 21st-century asset class tour.[57:47] Base rates and horses.[1:06:16] Good vs. great investors.[1:13:22] Expanding options when making decisions.[1:18:56] Favorite failures.[1:20:35] Counteracting overreliance on experts.[1:24:34] Intuition.[1:34:15] Time management tenets.[1:40:59] Parental resources.[1:43:42] Perspectives gained by learning about complex adaptive systems.[1:46:12] Recommended reading.[1:47:32] Michael’s billboard.[1:50:33] Parting thoughts.MORE MICHAEL MAUBOUSSIN QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Wall Street, even to this day, is replete with lots of rules of thumb and sort of old wives’ tales and shorthands for how to do things. And some of these things, when I would sit there and listen to them and try to cobble it all together, just didn’t make sense. And so for me it was this idea of the beginner’s mind and really saying, ‘How does this stuff really work?'”
— Michael Mauboussin
“How do I parse what I think would lend itself to where pattern recognition will be effective versus where it’s unlikely to be effective?”
— Michael Mauboussin
“As I always like to say in organizations, ‘What’s bad about young people is they don’t know anything. And what’s good about young people is they don’t know anything.'”
— Michael Mauboussin
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March 1, 2023
CEO Coach Matt Mochary — Live Coaching with Tim, Why Fear and Anger Give Bad Advice, How to Perform Personal Energy Audits, The Power of Accountability Partners, Delegation Tips, Strategies for Hiring the Right People, and More (#658)

“Fear and anger give bad advice.”
— Matt Mochary
Matt Mochary (@mattmochary) coaches the heads of top Silicon Valley tech investment firms and companies on how to be the best leaders and build the best organizations possible. His philosophy and method are captured in both the Mochary Coaching Methodology (which is available as a free Google Doc) and in his book The Great CEO Within, which is available on Amazon and online (also as a free Google Doc).
As a former founder, CEO, and investor, Matt knows firsthand the challenges of those roles as well as solutions to the most commonly encountered problems. His coaching is not questions-only; there is real guidance. Matt specializes in helping CEOs and their companies (or investment firms) transition from freewheeling startups to dominant enterprises.
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Want to hear an interview with another world-class coach? Listen to my first conversation with Jerry Colonna, in which we discuss being complicit in creating the conditions in life we don’t really want, nagging self-doubt, finding time for self-discovery, confronting the difficulty most of us have with saying “no,” acknowledging compassion from a distance, journaling, guilt versus remorse, and much more.
#585: Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Matt Mochary:Mochary Method Curriculum | Google DocsThe Great CEO Within: The Tactical Guide to Company Building by Matt Mochary, Alex Maccaw, and Misha Talavera | AmazonThe Great CEO Within | Google DocsFear and Anger Give Bad Advice | Google DocsThe 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich by Tim Ferriss | AmazonThe Rise of Modern Stoicism: Is Keeping Calm a Healthy Option? | ElleStoicism Resources and Recommendations | Tim Ferriss11 Reasons Not to Become Famous (or “A Few Lessons Learned Since 2007”) | Tim FerrissMy Healing Journey After Childhood Abuse (Includes Extensive Resource List) | The Tim Ferriss Show #464All About the INTJ Personality Type | TruityVirtual Coworking for Getting Anything Done | FocusmateChange the Way You Work | Clipboard HealthWho: Who: The A Method for Hiring by Geoff Smart and Randy Street | AmazonAnything You Want: 40 Lessons for a New Kind of Entrepreneur by Derek Sivers | AmazonHow to Conduct an Energy Audit and Why It Matters | Mochary Method Class #4Finding the One Decision That Removes 100 Decisions (or, Why I’m Reading No New Books in 2020) | Tim FerrissJeff Bezos: This Is the ‘Smartest Thing We Ever Did’ at Amazon | CNBCHow We Run Our Board Meetings to Benefit the Board and Brex | BrexHow Matt Mochary Became the Preeminent Tech-World CEO Coach | Fast CompanyForget New Year’s Resolutions and Conduct a ‘Past Year Review’ Instead | The Tim Ferriss Show #559Azores | Visit PortugalShut Up! | Loud AustinHow to Say “No” When It Matters Most (or “Why I’m Taking a Long ‘Startup Vacation'”) | Tim FerrissThe Alpinist | Prime VideoDropbox Sign (formerly HelloSign)Chief of Staff: Why You Need One | Mochary MethodTactical Resources for Founders, Execs, and Chiefs of Staff by Regina Gerbeaux | NotionFavela Rising | Prime VideoThe Gloves (Full Movie) | Matt MocharyMy Fair Lady Pronunciation | YouTubeRikers Island | WikipediaAfter Leaving Prison, This Man is Helping End Recidivism | Good Good GoodReal Second Chances Start Here | FreeWorldIntroducing ChatGPT | OpenAIHoʻakeolapono Trades Academy and InstituteOnboard Yourself in 30 Days | Regina GerbeauxThe Obstacle Is the Way: The Timeless Art of Turning Trials into Triumph by Ryan Holiday | AmazonThe Tao of Seneca: Letters from a Stoic Master (aka The Moral Letters to Lucilius) | Tim FerrissSHOW NOTESEditor’s Note: Timestamps will be added shortly.
Fear and anger give bad advice.Dispelling dating dread.The power of prediction.Next actions.Turning conversations into action items.Accountability for introverts and extroverts.What is Focusmate?Separating decision from implementation.Firing well.Effective and efficient recruiting.Getting honest feedback from past managers.The energy audit.Running effective and efficient meetings.Reducing and removing energy-depleting obligations from the calendar.Assistance with assistants.Why did Matt stop making documentaries?Why Matt’s building a startup.Rules, guide rails, and exit protocols.Downregulating anger and feeling the pain.Parting thoughts.MORE MATT MOCHARY QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Fear and anger give bad advice.”
— Matt Mochary
“When I coach someone, I become their manager, period, end of story. And if by the third meeting they feel more successful, more engaged, more empowered, then they know the system works. And it’s all written out, so they can just copy, paste, use with their team members, and then it works with their team members as well.”
— Matt Mochary
“In any organization, there’s a human that you are prioritizing. So if it’s a company, you’re probably prioritizing the customer. If it’s an investment firm, you’re probably prioritizing your LPs. If it’s your own personal life, you need to be prioritizing you.”
— Matt Mochary
“I find that generally, humans are not incompetent … they’re uninterested. But if you can find a place where they’re interested, suddenly they become very competent.”
— Matt Mochary
“I would say the most valuable thing about recruiting is first, learn how to fire well. And if you can do that, now the pressure is off, and you can take a little bit more chance on people you have intuition about that you really like, but maybe they’re inexperienced, maybe they’re young. And I find those people are often insanely good performers.”
— Matt Mochary
“Allow yourself to feel pain.”
— Matt Mochary
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February 23, 2023
Professor John Vervaeke — How to Build a Life of Wisdom, Flow, and Contemplation (#657)

“Knowledge is about overcoming ignorance. Wisdom is about overcoming foolishness.”
— Professor John Vervaeke
John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive development, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom.
Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E model, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended beyond the brain.
Vervaeke has taught courses on Buddhism and Cognitive Science in the Buddhism, Psychology, and Mental Health program for 15 years. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, “After Socrates.”
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Want to hear another interview that ponders the nature of our relationship with reality? Have a listen to my conversation with Professor Donald Hoffman here, in which we discuss the science of consciousness, how perception may influence the physical world, the holographic model of the universe, panpsychism (and influential panpsychists), cosmological polytope, the use of hallucinogenic drugs to tap into deeper reality and interact with conscious agents, QBism, the probability of zero that humans evolved to see reality in full, and much more wild stuff.
#585: Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with John Vervaeke:Website | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
After Socrates | John VervaekeAwakening from the Meaning Crisis | John VervaekeConsciousness and Wisdom Studies Lab (CWSL) | University of TorontoJohn Vervaeke’s Brilliant 4P/3R Metatheory of Cognition | Psychology TodayJohn Vervaeke Summarising 4P (Clip) | Rebel Wisdom with Jonathan RowsonAffordance Theory (Gibson) | Learning TheoriesDualism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyHow Semantic Memory Works | Simply PsychologyFlow (Psychology) | WikipediaFlow, Metaphor, and the Axial Revolution | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #2Daoism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyT’ai Chi Ch’uan Philosophy | WikipediaQigong | WikipediaShiatsu | WikipediaSearching for Bobby Fischer: The Father of a Prodigy Observes the World of Chess by Fred Waitzkin | AmazonSearching For Bobby Fischer | Prime VideoJosh Waitzkin: 2004 Tai Chi World Cup Highlights | YouTubeJosh Waitzkin — How to Cram 2 Months of Learning into 1 Day | The Tim Ferriss Show #375Socrates, The Monstrous | After Socrates #2Case Studies | Harvard Business ReviewFlow as Spontaneous Thought: Insight and Implicit Learning | The Oxford Handbook of Spontaneous ThoughtJazz Improvisation Made Simple: A Step-By-Step GuideChristian Philosophy and Theology | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyLord of Light by Roger Zelazny | AmazonSiddhartha by Hermann Hesse | AmazonFifth Business by Robertson Davies | AmazonTai Chi and Qi: A Deep Dive by John Vervaeke | TaiChiUSAThe Buddha and “Mindfulness” | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #8Ecology of Practices | After Socrates #10aEcology of Practices | After Socrates #10bVipassana Meditation | Dhamma.orgBrief Instructions for Loving-Kindness Meditation | Metta InstituteSharon Salzberg, World-Renowned Meditation Teacher | The Tim Ferriss Show #277Rapture | WikipediaWhat Is the “Unforgivable Sin?” | NIV BibleSocrates and the Quest for Wisdom | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #4Platonism and the Platonic Tradition | Encyclopedia.comThe Axial Age: When the Greatest Minds Walked the Earth | Big ThinkBuddhism and Parasitic Processing | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #13Parasitic Processing — The Cognitive Science of Overthinking | Dismantled MindNo Free Lunch Theorem | WikipediaNewell, Simon, and Shaw Develop the First Artificial Intelligence Program | History of InformationBounded Rationality | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyOne of These Things | Sesame StreetFlow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi | AmazonEducating Intuition by Robin M. Hogarth | AmazonImplicit Learning and Tacit Knowledge | Journal of Experimental Psychology: GeneralPattern Recognition | C8 SciencesStoicism Resources and Recommendations | Tim FerrissList of Cognitive Biases and Heuristics | The Decision LabLectio Divina: A Beginner’s Guide | Busted HaloContemplation vs. Meditation (What’s the Difference?) | Mindfulness BoxMeditation and Contemplation with Dr. John Vervaeke | Consciousness & ConsciencePhilosophical Fellowship: Demonstration of the Practice | Voices with VervaekePositivity: Groundbreaking Research to Release Your Inner Optimist and Thrive by Barbara Fredrickson | AmazonChristianity and Agape | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #16What is the Circling Method? | The Circling InstituteContemplating in Togetherness from Our Inner Depth | Deep PhilosophyOmnipresence | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyEthics: With the Treatise on the Emendation of the Intellect and Selected Letters by Baruch Spinoza | AmazonEuclid’s Elements (The Thirteen Books) by Euclid | AmazonDisbelieve It or Not, Ancient History Suggests That Atheism Is as Natural to Humans as Religion | University of CambridgeThe Religion of No Religion | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #39Dialectic into Dialogos and the Pragmatics of No-thingness in a Time of Crisis | Eidos. A Journal for Philosophy of CultureDialectic into Dia-logos | After Socrates #3The Symbol, Sacredness, and the Sacred | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #35Plato and the Cave | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #5Religio/Perennial Problems/Reverse Eng. Enlightenment | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #36The Summa Theologiæ of St. Thomas Aquinas | New AdventWhat Is Sufism? | Institute for Global ChangeCorbin and the Divine Double | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #48What is Poiesis? | PoiesisEmbodiment and Auto Poiesis (Clip) | John VervaekePlotinus and Neoplatonism | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #18Vedanta | WikipediaThe Lost Way to the Good: Dionysian Platonism, Shin Buddhism, and the Shared Quest to Reconnect a Divided World by Thomas Plant | AmazonLonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry | AmazonLonesome Dove | Prime VideoJohn Vervaeke: The Book That Changed My Life | Rebel WisdomWhat Is Ancient Philosophy? by Pierre Hadot | AmazonAwakening From the Meaning Crisis Book List | John VervaekeGreat Dialogues of Plato by Plato | AmazonAh, Not to Be Cut Off by Rainer Maria Rilke | The Living RoomArchaic Torso of Apollo by Rainer Maria Rilke | Vox PopuliAscension, 1965 | John Coltrane QuartetAgape and 4E Cognitive Science | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #38Cognition In the Wild by Edwin Hutchins | AmazonDistributed Cognition and the Experience of Presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission | Frontiers in PsychologyBrain in a Vat — Making Philosophy Manifest by Steve Jurvetson | FlickrSteve Jurvetson — The Midas Touch and Mind-Bending Futures | The Tim Ferriss Show #317Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain by António Damásio | AmazonExaptations | Understanding EvolutionThe Brain Evolved to Guide Action | The Wiley Handbook of Evolutionary NeuroscienceJohn Vervaeke: The Three Questions About Consciousness | Consciousness and Conscience ConferenceQualia | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyRelevance Realization and the Emerging Framework in Cognitive Science | Journal of Logic and Computation Advance AccessPanpsychism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyProfessor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #585Property Dualism | Rebus CommunityWilliam Seager: How Strong Are the Arguments for Panpsychism? | Visualizing MindsJohn Vervaeke: Jordan Peterson & the Meaning Crisis | Rebel WisdomZen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans | The Tim Ferriss Show #560Luke 15:11-32: The Prodigal Son | Bible GatewayPageau, Vervaeke, Peterson: Deeper Yet Into The Weeds | The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast #277Nomology | WikipediaPostmodernism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyMarxism and Crypto‐Marxism | The New York TimesAwakening from the Meaning Crisis – Relevance Realization Meets Dynamical Systems Theory | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #30Jordan Peterson on Rules for Life, Psychedelics, The Bible, and Much More | The Tim Ferriss Show #502Return to the Source Seminar | Evolve Move PlayOther Minds | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyTransjectivity: A Short Commentary on John Vervaeke’s Awakening From the Meaning Crisis (Episodes 31, 32, and 33) by Andrew Sweeny | MediumFamed Explorer Wade Davis — How to Become the Architect of Your Life, The Divine Leaf of Immortality, Rites of Passage, Voodoo Demystified, Optimism as the Purpose of Life, How to Be a Prolific Writer, Psychedelics, Monetizing the Creativity of Your Life, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #652Epistemology | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophySHOW NOTES[05:31] The four ways of knowing (4P).[10:15] Affordances.[13:04] Semantic memory.[13:37] Flow.[27:03] Did John find Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi find him?[29:46] Leaving Christianity.[34:42] Wisdom vs. knowledge.[36:54] Self-deception.[41:53] When is logic the illogical choice for solving a problem?[46:05] The powers and perils of intuition.[55:05] Spotting patterns that need breaking.[59:18] Meditation vs. contemplation.[1:05:30] Misunderstanding love.[1:06:36] Circling.[1:12:28] “God is related to the world the way the mind is related to the body.”[1:14:34] A non-theist in the no-thingness.[1:24:03] Responsive poiesis and Sufism.[1:27:31] Neoplatonism.[1:29:16] Seminal moments.[1:31:36] Pierre Hadot.[1:32:43] Two books.[1:34:38] Potent poetry.[1:37:40] The four Es.[1:42:38] Two bonus Es.[1:45:24] Heretical beliefs.[1:54:12] Panpsychism.[2:00:56] Most unusual modes of cognition.[2:02:37] Jordan Peterson.[2:10:27] Opponent processing.[2:13:53] How to support friends endeavoring to lead meaningful lives.[2:17:50] After Socrates.[2:21:44] Western words.[2:25:11] John’s changing perspective of experienced reality.[2:28:01] Something old, something new.MORE JOHN VERVAEKE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Knowledge is about overcoming ignorance. Wisdom is about overcoming foolishness. So you understand wisdom by understanding foolishness, and you understand foolishness as not identical to ignorance.”
— John Vervaeke
“Stop demonizing any faculty and stop deifying any faculty. Your intuition will lead you as much wrong as your reason, as much wrong as your emotions, as much wrong as your logic.”
— John Vervaeke
“The very processes that make us intelligent problem solvers [and] make us so adaptive are the very same processes that make us prone to self-deceptive, self-destructive behavior.”
— John Vervaeke
“We pick up on all kinds of complex patterns that are not real and we form intuitions around them, but when we don’t like our intuition, we don’t call it intuition, we call it bias or prejudice or racism or sexism or a whole bunch of other things.”
— John Vervaeke
“Logic does not tell you how to go from a weaker logic to a stronger logic. I can do all the possible manipulations within predicate logic and it won’t get me to motor logic. I have to do something outside of that to actually increase my logical competence. So there’s no panacea.”
— John Vervaeke
“Yes, your emotions can lead you astray, but try living without them and see how rational you can be.”
— John Vervaeke
“I don’t like the argument that goes, ‘Consciousness is weird, quantum is weird, therefore consciousness is quantum.’ That’s just ridiculous. Now, panpsychism is a different thing. And you don’t have to be convinced about quantum stuff to be a panpsychist.”
— John Vervaeke
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Professor John Vervaeke — On Cultivating Wisdom, Finding Flow States, The Power and Perils of Intuition, The Four Ways of Knowing, Learning to Fall in Love with Reality, and More (#657)

“Knowledge is about overcoming ignorance. Wisdom is about overcoming foolishness. So you understand wisdom by understanding foolishness, and you understand foolishness as not identical to ignorance.”
— Professor John Vervaeke
John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive development, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom.
Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E model, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended beyond the brain.
Vervaeke has taught courses on Buddhism and Cognitive Science in the Buddhism, Psychology, and Mental Health program for 15 years. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, “After Socrates.”
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Want to hear another interview that ponders the nature of our relationship with reality? Have a listen to my conversation with Professor Donald Hoffman here, in which we discuss the science of consciousness, how perception may influence the physical world, the holographic model of the universe, panpsychism (and influential panpsychists), cosmological polytope, the use of hallucinogenic drugs to tap into deeper reality and interact with conscious agents, QBism, the probability of zero that humans evolved to see reality in full, and much more wild stuff.
#585: Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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After Socrates | John VervaekeAwakening from the Meaning Crisis | John VervaekeConsciousness and Wisdom Studies Lab (CWSL) | University of TorontoJohn Vervaeke’s Brilliant 4P/3R Metatheory of Cognition | Psychology TodayJohn Vervaeke Summarising 4P (Clip) | Rebel Wisdom with Jonathan RowsonAffordance Theory (Gibson) | Learning TheoriesDualism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyHow Semantic Memory Works | Simply PsychologyFlow (Psychology) | WikipediaFlow, Metaphor, and the Axial Revolution | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #2Daoism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyT’ai Chi Ch’uan Philosophy | WikipediaQigong | WikipediaShiatsu | WikipediaSearching for Bobby Fischer: The Father of a Prodigy Observes the World of Chess by Fred Waitzkin | AmazonSearching For Bobby Fischer | Prime VideoJosh Waitzkin: 2004 Tai Chi World Cup Highlights | YouTubeJosh Waitzkin — How to Cram 2 Months of Learning into 1 Day | The Tim Ferriss Show #375Socrates, The Monstrous | After Socrates #2Case Studies | Harvard Business ReviewFlow as Spontaneous Thought: Insight and Implicit Learning | The Oxford Handbook of Spontaneous ThoughtJazz Improvisation Made Simple: A Step-By-Step GuideChristian Philosophy and Theology | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyLord of Light by Roger Zelazny | AmazonSiddhartha by Hermann Hesse | AmazonFifth Business by Robertson Davies | AmazonTai Chi and Qi: A Deep Dive by John Vervaeke | TaiChiUSAThe Buddha and “Mindfulness” | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #8Ecology of Practices | After Socrates #10aEcology of Practices | After Socrates #10bVipassana Meditation | Dhamma.orgBrief Instructions for Loving-Kindness Meditation | Metta InstituteSharon Salzberg, World-Renowned Meditation Teacher | The Tim Ferriss Show #277Rapture | WikipediaWhat Is the “Unforgivable Sin?” | NIV BibleSocrates and the Quest for Wisdom | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #4Platonism and the Platonic Tradition | Encyclopedia.comThe Axial Age: When the Greatest Minds Walked the Earth | Big ThinkBuddhism and Parasitic Processing | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #13Parasitic Processing — The Cognitive Science of Overthinking | Dismantled MindNo Free Lunch Theorem | WikipediaNewell, Simon, and Shaw Develop the First Artificial Intelligence Program | History of InformationBounded Rationality | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyOne of These Things | Sesame StreetFlow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi | AmazonEducating Intuition by Robin M. Hogarth | AmazonImplicit Learning and Tacit Knowledge | Journal of Experimental Psychology: GeneralPattern Recognition | C8 SciencesStoicism Resources and Recommendations | Tim FerrissList of Cognitive Biases and Heuristics | The Decision LabLectio Divina: A Beginner’s Guide | Busted HaloContemplation vs. Meditation (What’s the Difference?) | Mindfulness BoxMeditation and Contemplation with Dr. John Vervaeke | Consciousness & ConsciencePhilosophical Fellowship: Demonstration of the Practice | Voices with VervaekePositivity: Groundbreaking Research to Release Your Inner Optimist and Thrive by Barbara Fredrickson | AmazonChristianity and Agape | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #16What is the Circling Method? | The Circling InstituteContemplating in Togetherness from Our Inner Depth | Deep PhilosophyOmnipresence | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyEthics: With the Treatise on the Emendation of the Intellect and Selected Letters by Baruch Spinoza | AmazonEuclid’s Elements (The Thirteen Books) by Euclid | AmazonDisbelieve It or Not, Ancient History Suggests That Atheism Is as Natural to Humans as Religion | University of CambridgeThe Religion of No Religion | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #39Dialectic into Dialogos and the Pragmatics of No-thingness in a Time of Crisis | Eidos. A Journal for Philosophy of CultureDialectic into Dia-logos | After Socrates #3The Symbol, Sacredness, and the Sacred | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #35Plato and the Cave | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #5Religio/Perennial Problems/Reverse Eng. Enlightenment | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #36The Summa Theologiæ of St. Thomas Aquinas | New AdventWhat Is Sufism? | Institute for Global ChangeCorbin and the Divine Double | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #48What is Poiesis? | PoiesisEmbodiment and Auto Poiesis (Clip) | John VervaekePlotinus and Neoplatonism | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #18Vedanta | WikipediaThe Lost Way to the Good: Dionysian Platonism, Shin Buddhism, and the Shared Quest to Reconnect a Divided World by Thomas Plant | AmazonLonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry | AmazonLonesome Dove | Prime VideoJohn Vervaeke: The Book That Changed My Life | Rebel WisdomWhat Is Ancient Philosophy? by Pierre Hadot | AmazonAwakening From the Meaning Crisis Book List | John VervaekeGreat Dialogues of Plato by Plato | AmazonAh, Not to Be Cut Off by Rainer Maria Rilke | The Living RoomArchaic Torso of Apollo by Rainer Maria Rilke | Vox PopuliAscension, 1965 | John Coltrane QuartetAgape and 4E Cognitive Science | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #38Cognition In the Wild by Edwin Hutchins | AmazonDistributed Cognition and the Experience of Presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission | Frontiers in PsychologyBrain in a Vat — Making Philosophy Manifest by Steve Jurvetson | FlickrSteve Jurvetson — The Midas Touch and Mind-Bending Futures | The Tim Ferriss Show #317Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain by António Damásio | AmazonExaptations | Understanding EvolutionThe Brain Evolved to Guide Action | The Wiley Handbook of Evolutionary NeuroscienceJohn Vervaeke: The Three Questions About Consciousness | Consciousness and Conscience ConferenceQualia | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyRelevance Realization and the Emerging Framework in Cognitive Science | Journal of Logic and Computation Advance AccessPanpsychism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyProfessor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #585Property Dualism | Rebus CommunityWilliam Seager: How Strong Are the Arguments for Panpsychism? | Visualizing MindsJohn Vervaeke: Jordan Peterson & the Meaning Crisis | Rebel WisdomZen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans | The Tim Ferriss Show #560Luke 15:11-32: The Prodigal Son | Bible GatewayPageau, Vervaeke, Peterson: Deeper Yet Into The Weeds | The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast #277Nomology | WikipediaPostmodernism | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyMarxism and Crypto‐Marxism | The New York TimesAwakening from the Meaning Crisis – Relevance Realization Meets Dynamical Systems Theory | Awakening from the Meaning Crisis #30Jordan Peterson on Rules for Life, Psychedelics, The Bible, and Much More | The Tim Ferriss Show #502Return to the Source Seminar | Evolve Move PlayOther Minds | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyTransjectivity: A Short Commentary on John Vervaeke’s Awakening From the Meaning Crisis (Episodes 31, 32, and 33) by Andrew Sweeny | MediumFamed Explorer Wade Davis — How to Become the Architect of Your Life, The Divine Leaf of Immortality, Rites of Passage, Voodoo Demystified, Optimism as the Purpose of Life, How to Be a Prolific Writer, Psychedelics, Monetizing the Creativity of Your Life, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #652Epistemology | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophySHOW NOTES[05:31] The four ways of knowing (4P).[10:15] Affordances.[13:04] Semantic memory.[13:37] Flow.[27:03] Did John find Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi find him?[29:46] Leaving Christianity.[34:42] Wisdom vs. knowledge.[36:54] Self-deception.[41:53] When is logic the illogical choice for solving a problem?[46:05] The powers and perils of intuition.[55:05] Spotting patterns that need breaking.[59:18] Meditation vs. contemplation.[1:05:30] Misunderstanding love.[1:06:36] Circling.[1:12:28] “God is related to the world the way the mind is related to the body.”[1:14:34] A non-theist in the no-thingness.[1:24:03] Responsive poiesis and Sufism.[1:27:31] Neoplatonism.[1:29:16] Seminal moments.[1:31:36] Pierre Hadot.[1:32:43] Two books.[1:34:38] Potent poetry.[1:37:40] The four Es.[1:42:38] Two bonus Es.[1:45:24] Heretical beliefs.[1:54:12] Panpsychism.[2:00:56] Most unusual modes of cognition.[2:02:37] Jordan Peterson.[2:10:27] Opponent processing.[2:13:53] How to support friends endeavoring to lead meaningful lives.[2:17:50] After Socrates.[2:21:44] Western words.[2:25:11] John’s changing perspective of experienced reality.[2:28:01] Something old, something new.MORE JOHN VERVAEKE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Knowledge is about overcoming ignorance. Wisdom is about overcoming foolishness. So you understand wisdom by understanding foolishness, and you understand foolishness as not identical to ignorance.”
— John Vervaeke
“Stop demonizing any faculty and stop deifying any faculty. Your intuition will lead you as much wrong as your reason, as much wrong as your emotions, as much wrong as your logic.”
— John Vervaeke
“The very processes that make us intelligent problem solvers [and] make us so adaptive are the very same processes that make us prone to self-deceptive, self-destructive behavior.”
— John Vervaeke
“We pick up on all kinds of complex patterns that are not real and we form intuitions around them, but when we don’t like our intuition, we don’t call it intuition, we call it bias or prejudice or racism or sexism or a whole bunch of other things.”
— John Vervaeke
“Logic does not tell you how to go from a weaker logic to a stronger logic. I can do all the possible manipulations within predicate logic and it won’t get me to motor logic. I have to do something outside of that to actually increase my logical competence. So there’s no panacea.”
— John Vervaeke
“Yes, your emotions can lead you astray, but try living without them and see how rational you can be.”
— John Vervaeke
“I don’t like the argument that goes, ‘Consciousness is weird, quantum is weird, therefore consciousness is quantum.’ That’s just ridiculous. Now, panpsychism is a different thing. And you don’t have to be convinced about quantum stuff to be a panpsychist.”
— John Vervaeke
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February 17, 2023
In Case You Missed It: January 2023 Recap of “The Tim Ferriss Show” (#655)
Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life.
This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.
See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes below or at tim.blog/podcast.
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Timestamps:
James Clear: 00:03:05
Rick Rubin: 00:08:08
Dr. Matthew Walker: 00:13:47
Bill Gurley: 00:31:05
Wade Davis: 00:36:36
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February 8, 2023
Dr. Matthew Walker, All Things Sleep Continued — The Hidden Dangers of Melatonin, Tools for Insomnia, Enhancing Learning and Sleep Spindles, The Upsides of Sleep Divorce, How Sleep Impacts Sex (and Vice Versa), Adventures in Lucid Dreaming, The One Clock t

“At the moment when we analyze the data, and I’m sitting there with a student or I’m analyzing data, and we finally run the statistics, at that moment in time, if I’m lucky, I know something that has never been understood in the entirety of human civilization, and I cannot tell you how much of a thrill and a privilege that is. And so is science hard? It’s brutally hard, but just that alone, the hedonic rush that you get from de novo knowledge, gosh, it’s never left me, and I don’t think it ever will.”
— Dr. Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker, PhD (@sleepdiplomat), is professor of neuroscience at the University of California Berkeley and founder and director of the school’s Center for Human Sleep Science. Dr. Walker is the author of the New York Times and international bestseller Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams, which was recently listed by Bill Gates as one of his top five books of the year. His TED Talk, “Sleep is Your Superpower,” has garnered more than 17 million views.
He has received numerous funding awards from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health and is a Kavli Fellow of the National Academy of Sciences. In 2020, Dr. Walker was awarded the Carl Sagan Prize for Science Achievements. Dr. Walker’s research examines the impact of sleep on human health and disease. He has been featured on numerous television and radio outlets including 60 Minutes, Nat Geo TV, NOVA Science, NPR, and the BBC. Dr. Walker is also scientific advisor to Oura, a sleep-tracking ring.
Dr. Walker hosts the 5-star-rated podcast The Matt Walker Podcast, which is all about sleep, the brain, and the body.
And one last thing. UC Berkeley has given the rare approval for Matt’s newly opened Sleep Center at the University to be named by an individual donor, or a named company, in perpetuity. If you are interested, please reach out to Matt and note that this opportunity is in the 7-figure range.
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Want to hear the first time Dr. Matthew Walker was on this podcast? Have a listen to our conversation here in which we discussed the relationship between sleep and Alzheimer’s disease, why our deep sleep declines as we age, ideal exercise for promoting deep sleep, fainting goats, the psychological value of emergency sleep medicine for insomniacs, how sleep affects food intake and weight fluctuation, perilous polypharmacy, and much more.
#650: Dr. Matthew Walker, All Things Sleep — How to Improve Sleep, How Sleep Ties Into Alzheimer’s Disease and Weight Gain, and How Medications (Ambien, Trazodone, etc.), Caffeine, THC/CBD, Psychedelics, Exercise, Smart Drugs, Fasting, and More Affect SleepWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams by Matthew Walker | Amazon The Matt Walker Podcast Matt Walker’s TED TalksCenter for Human Sleep ScienceDr. Matthew Walker, All Things Sleep — How to Improve Sleep, How Sleep Ties Into Alzheimer’s Disease and Weight Gain, and How Medications (Ambien, Trazodone, etc.), Caffeine, THC/CBD, Psychedelics, Exercise, Smart Drugs, Fasting, and More Affect Sleep | The Tim Ferriss Show #650Insights from Dr. Matthew Walker, Adam Grant/Atul Gawande, Diana Chapman, and Rich Roll/David Goggins | The Tim Ferriss Show #630Sleep and Sex: Part 1 | The Matt Walker PodcastSleep and Sex: Part 2 | The Matt Walker PodcastWhat Is a Sleep Divorce? | Matthew WalkerI Tried the Scandinavian Sleep Method — And Now My Partner and I Refuse To Sleep Any Other Way | Well+GoodThe Impact of Sleep and Circadian Disturbance on Hormones and Metabolism | International Journal of EndocrinologyFDA Approves New Treatment for Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder in Premenopausal Women | FDAPoor Sleep May Impair the Ability to Feel Empathy | Psychology TodayThe Best Temperature for Sleep | Cleveland ClinicSleep Fitness Technology: Smart Bed Cooling & Heating System For Better Sleep | Eight SleepSex and Sleep: Perceptions of Sex as a Sleep Promoting Behavior in the General Adult Population | Frontiers in Public HealthOxytocin and Vasopressin in the Human Brain: Social Neuropeptides for Translational Medicine | Nature Reviews NeuroscienceHow to Fall Asleep When You’re Exhausted But Wired | ShapeFight or Flight: The Sympathetic Nervous System | Live ScienceSleep Pressure | The Matt Walker PodcastWireless Hitachi Magic Wands | AmazonMelatonin | Mayo ClinicMelatonin | The Matt Walker PodcastTwo Hormones for One Receptor: Evolution, Biochemistry, Actions, and Pathophysiology of LH and hCG | Endocrine ReviewsTook Too Much Melatonin? | NCPCThousands of Kids Are Getting Sick from Downing Melatonin Pills | NPR2-Minute Neuroscience: Suprachiasmatic Nucleus | Neuroscientifically ChallengedProlonged Release Melatonin for Improving Sleep in Totally Blind Subjects: A Pilot Placebo-Controlled Multicenter Trial | Nature and Science of SleepLord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien | AmazonLack of Sleep Shrinks Men’s Testicles? | University of CaliforniaScientists Pinpoint Dosage of Melatonin for Insomnia | MIT NewsBeta-Carotene | University of Rochester Medical CenterOptimising Your Sleep | The Matt Walker PodcastMatthew Walker’s 11 Tips for Improving Sleep Quality | MasterClassInsomnia Treatment: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Instead of Sleeping Pills | Mayo ClinicWhat Is Sleep Restriction Therapy? Who Should Use It? | HealthlineDreams: Part 1 | The Matt Walker PodcastDreams: Part 2 | The Matt Walker PodcastDreams: Part 3 | The Matt Walker PodcastDreams: Part 4 | The Matt Walker PodcastDreams: Part 5 | The Matt Walker PodcastDreams: Part 6 | The Matt Walker PodcastWhat is REM Sleep? | National Sleep FoundationSleep Paralysis | Stanford Health CareLucid Dream | WikipediaLucid Dreaming: A Beginner’s Guide | Tim Ferriss5 Lucid Dreaming Techniques to Try | HealthlineSteel Man Argument Explained | Philosophy VibeFrequent Lucid Dreaming Associated with Increased Functional Connectivity between Frontopolar Cortex and Temporoparietal Association Areas | Scientific ReportsLucid Dreaming in the Tibetan Tradition: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche | Science and NondualityMnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams (The MILD Technique) | World of Lucid DreamingWaking Life | Prime VideoHow to Use Reality Checks to Have Lucid Dreams | World of Lucid DreamingExploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge and Howard Rheingold | AmazonHuperzine A | RxListGalantamine | HealthlineLucid Dreamers Are Using Unproven Tech to Hack Their Sleep | Wired UKSleep and Memory: Part 1 | The Matt Walker PodcastSleep and Memory: Part 2 | The Matt Walker PodcastSleep and Memory: Part 3 | The Matt Walker PodcastSchools Start Too Early | CDCThe State Finally Letting Teens Sleep In | The AtlanticHow Sleep Loss Sabotages New Memory Storage in the Hippocampus | University of Michigan NewsWhat are Sleep Spindles? | Sleep FoundationSleep Spindles and Memory | AASTUltradian Rhythm: For Real Productivity, Less is Truly More | HBRNaps | The Matt Walker PodcastWaking up Is the Hardest Thing I Do All Day: Sleep Inertia and Sleep Drunkenness | Sleep Medicine ReviewsJurassic Park | Prime VideoTrapped in Amber | Natural History MuseumSleep On It: How Snoozing Strengthens Memories | NIH News in HealthMemory Processing in Relation to Sleep | Principles and Practice of Sleep MedicineEven Small Amounts of Alcohol Impair Memory | The AtlanticFunding Cutting-Edge Scientific Research | Saisei FoundationSleeping Brain, Learning Mind: Opinion by Matthew Walker | The Harvard CrimsonHow Sleep Affects Immunity | Sleep FoundationSpaced Learning Vs Massed Practice | ITACMake New Memories But Keep the Old, With a Little Help From Electrodes | Innovation| Smithsonian MagazineFast-Forward Playback of Recent Memory Sequences in Prefrontal Cortex During Sleep | ScienceHuman Hippocampal Replay during Rest Prioritizes Weakly Learned Information and Predicts Memory Performance | Nature CommunicationsMemory and Sleep: How Sleep Cognition Can Change the Waking Mind for the Better | Annual Review of PsychologyMemory Game | AmazonMatt Wilson: Reading the Minds of Rats | TEDxCoconutGroveTurning 40 Winks Into Decades: The Pace Of Time In Dreams | Psychology TodayInception | Prime VideoThe Role of the Human Anterior Insular Cortex in Time Processing | Brain Structure and FunctionWhy Accidents and Emergencies Seem to Dramatically Slow Down Time | The ConversationSleep and Exercise: Pt. 1 | The Matt Walker PodcastSleep and Exercise: Pt. 2 | The Matt Walker PodcastHow to Fight Sarcopenia (Muscle Loss Due to Aging) | Healthline7 Benefits of High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) | HealthlineTraining Zones Explained | ACTIVEDesmopressin | Mayo ClinicSHOW NOTES[05:43] Sleep and sex.[23:45] Melatonin misgivings.[32:47] The suprachiasmatic nucleus.[36:08] Shrinking balls phenomenon.[41:47] Minimizing the time it takes you to sleep.[49:40] The bizarre basics of dreaming.[55:56] Taking a leap into lucid dreaming.[1:19:57] Optimizing sleep for learning.[1:43:14] Can sleep during an illness boost memory retention?[1:49:08] Massed versus spaced practice.[1:53:00] Using brain stimulation technology to enhance learning.[1:56:50] Optimizing memory replay.[2:02:47] Sleep and time dilation.[2:11:25] Today’s “charlatan” science that may someday be vindicated.[2:17:44] Exercise and memory.[2:25:37] Staying hydrated without having to urinate all night.[2:29:13] Parting thoughts.MORE DR. MATTHEW WALKER QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“At the moment when we analyze the data, and I’m sitting there with a student or I’m analyzing data, and we finally run the statistics, at that moment in time, if I’m lucky, I know something that has never been understood in the entirety of human civilization, and I cannot tell you how much of a thrill and a privilege that is. And so is science hard? It’s brutally hard, but just that alone, the hedonic rush that you get from de novo knowledge, gosh, it’s never left me, and I don’t think it ever will.”
— Dr. Matthew Walker
“The goal of education, in my mind, is twofold. The first is to brainwash you into thinking for yourself. The second is for you to gain long-term information.”
— Dr. Matthew Walker
“Life is to be lived. Have a drink, of course, I’m not being puritanical, but if you are, let’s say, a student or you’ve been learning new information for a new job or you’ve been learning a new skill for a new particular sport and you know when you’ve been learning and you know when you probably want to have a night out, restructure those things to implement them in the smartest way possible for optimizing outcomes.”
— Dr. Matthew Walker
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February 3, 2023
Elan Lee, Co-Creator of Exploding Kittens — How to Raise Millions on Kickstarter, Deconstructing Mega-Successes, Secrets of Game Design, The Power of Positive Constraints, The Delights of Craftsmanship, and The Art of Turning Fans into Superfans (#653)

” I don’t want a game to be in the spotlight. I want the players to be in the spotlight.”
— Elan Lee
Elan Lee (@elanlee) is the co-creator and chief executive officer of Exploding Kittens, a leading gaming and entertainment company. Under his leadership, Exploding Kittens has expanded its portfolio to nearly 30 different games with more than 20 million games sold in more than 50 countries since its founding in 2015.
Before founding Exploding Kittens, Lee was the chief design officer at Xbox Entertainment Studios, where he led the Interactive Entertainment Portfolio. Prior to that, he was the founder and chief creative officer of Fourth Wall Studios and co-founder of 42 Entertainment. He began his career at Microsoft Games Studios as a lead designer on the original Xbox.
Lee has won a Primetime Emmy for the series Dirty Work; Game Innovator of the Year for Exploding Kittens; a Peabody Award for the world’s first alternate reality game, The Beast; and an IndieCade Trailblazer Award for a distinguished career in interactive entertainment, among others.
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Would you like to hear another podcast episode that features an alternate reality game designer? Have a listen to my most recent conversation with Jane McGonigal in which we discussed video games to play for quieting your mind before bedtime, why Tetris is uniquely effective at treating PTSD, eerily prescient 2020 predictions from a 2010 simulation, politics and cryptocurrency, urgent optimism, trust warfare, emergency preparedness, and much more.
#579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate OptimismWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Elan Lee:Connect with Exploding Kittens:Website | Twitter | Instagram | TikTok | YouTube
Poetry for Neanderthals NSFW Edition | AmazonHow to Play Poetry for Neanderthals | Exploding KittensIs It Neander-TAL or Neander-THAL? | Discover MagazineElan Lee | Think Like a Game Designer with Justin Gary #20Hand-to-Hand Wombat | AmazonHow to Play Hand-to-Hand Wombat | Exploding KittensHand-To-Hand Wombat Developer Interview | Exploding KittensUNO | AmazonWhy the Core Gameplay Loop is Critical For Game Design | Game DeveloperORD CampAlien | Prime VideoJaws | Prime VideoJaws in Space: Powerful Pitching for Film and TV Screenwriters by Charles Harris | AmazonExploding Kittens NSFW Edition | AmazonHow to Play Exploding Kittens | Exploding KittensRussian Roulette | WikipediaExploding Kittens Is the Most-Backed Project of All Time | KickstarterAlternate Reality Game | WikipediaComics by Matthew Inman | The Oatmeal‘The Oatmeal’: An Eisner Surprise | CBRTacocat Spelled Backwards | AmazonHow to Play Tacocat Spelled Backwards | Exploding Kittens1,000 True Fans by Kevin Kelly | The TechniumAppetite For Destruction by Guns N’ Roses | Amazon MusicElan Lee: Exploding Kittens & The Key to Running a Successful Kickstarter | Talks at GoogleMoneyballing the Movies: How the Box Office Became a Sport | The RingerSecrets and Cost to Make iPhone Box Revealed | Process MintedProducer of Custom Dice, Poker Chips, Dominoes, and Game Sets and Parts Since 1906 | Game PartsThe Direct-to-Consumer (D2C) Model: A Complete Guide for 2023 | The Motley FoolConnect 4 | AmazonMonopoly | AmazonIron Chef | WikipediaWhat It Truly Means to Be a Manga Artist | The RiftApostrophe Games Blank Playing Cards | AmazonArnold Schwarzenegger’s Real Workout Plan | Steel SupplementsThe World’s Greatest Roleplaying Game | Dungeons & DragonsAD&D Player’s Handbook by Gary Gygax | AmazonAD&D Dungeon Masters Guide by Gary Gygax | AmazonStranger Things | NetflixChess | AmazonBackgammon | AmazonShogi | AmazonGo | AmazonPokémon GOCards Against Humanity | AmazonWhat Do You Meme? | AmazonJoking Hazard | AmazonApples to Apples | AmazonDominion: 2nd Edition | AmazonPokémon Assorted Cards | AmazonMagic: The Gathering 2021 Arena Starter Kit | AmazonThrow Throw Burrito | AmazonHow to Play Throw Throw Burrito Original Edition | Exploding KittensSET | AmazonCatan Base Game | AmazonSettlers of Catan Is One of the Best Family Board Games | PlaytonicBattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat | AmazonCrimson Skies | WikipediaBattleTech Center (1992) | Discovery Channel Beyond 2000Xbox Games | XboxIndustrial Light & MagicStar Wars: The Phantom Menace | Prime VideoJar Jar Binks Was Nearly a Practical Suit and a CG Head | Befores & AftersHalo: Combat Evolved for Xbox | Amazonedoc Laundry Interview | The Guardianedoc Laundry | Shane SmallHey! What’s That On Your Shirt? | Wired2024 Starts Now | Rock the VoteA.I. Artificial Intelligence | Prime VideoThe Beast, A.I. Transmedia Experience | The Peabody AwardsThe Beast (Game) | WikipediaCandy Land | AmazonPixar Animation StudiosEd Catmull, President of Pixar, on Steve Jobs, Stories, and Lessons Learned | The Tim Ferriss Show #22Russia Prohibited and Restricted Items | FedEx Cross BorderExploding Kittens: Interview with Game Designer Elan Lee by Meagan J. Meehan | MediumTCG Invests in Companies That Define Culture | The Chernin GroupMike Judge’s Beavis and Butt-Head | Prime VideoKing of the Hill | HuluThe Office | Prime VideoOffice Space | Hulu‘Exploding Kittens’ Game and Animated Show Coming to Netflix | Netflix TudumExploding Kittens Official Game Trailer | NetflixFood Community, Recipes, Kitchen & Home Products, Cooking Contests | Food52Your Link to the Food Chain | MeatEaterSteven Rinella on Hunting (and Why You Should Care), Reconnecting with Nature, Favorite Trips, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #470HodinkeeBarstool SportsRooster TeethScopelyHello SunshineSupport | Exploding KittensSHOW NOTES[06:00] Poetry For Neanderthals and collaborating with creative cohorts.[16:41] Kitty Test Pilots and core gameplay loops.[22:21] Crowdfunding, alternate reality games, and internet archaeology.[25:54] Matthew Inman and The Oatmeal millions.[32:18] The perils of operating faster than the speed of Gmail.[34:06] Converting casual fans into superfans.[34:51] What not to do when your Kickstarter goes better than expected.[36:51] The budget of production needs to fit the fun.[43:01] Does size matter?[44:44] From direct-to-consumer sales to being featured in big box stores.[47:07] Building a game from scratch quickly.[52:26] Guiding principles.[56:37] Foundational game recommendations for beginners.[1:05:10] Is Settlers of Catan the game you think it is?[1:07:35] Lessons learned from game design veteran Jordan Weisman.[1:08:50] If you built Jar Jar Binks’ neck, they practically let you run the place.[1:11:38] If you can’t rock the vote, then clothe the vote.[1:15:35] Other practical Jordanisms.[1:16:55] Steven Spielberg and The Beast.[1:23:19] Hate playing Candy Land with your kids? Design new games with them.[1:28:02] Growing Exploding Kittens from a game into a company.[1:32:56] International shipping nightmares.[1:36:13] Why an open-door policy had to be shut.[1:38:27] Employees and their roles.[1:41:50] Milestones.[1:43:06] When big asks get big results.[1:47:18] Investor expectations.[1:52:15] What kind of retirement does someone who makes fun for a living envision?[1:56:07] Dance partners, algorithm defiance, and other parting thoughts.MORE ELAN LEE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“When I was growing up, the biggest frustration I had with games was, first and foremost, the instructions. I don’t have the patience to even read 20 minutes, let alone the seven hours to get into those crazy games. And so I really wanted to make games that 10-year-old me would really get a kick out of.”
— Elan Lee
“A game should be beautiful. You should look at a game and smile. It should be a source of joy. These things should be dopamine engines, and part of that is you want to hold the thing and show it to all your friends.”
— Elan Lee
” I don’t want a game to be in the spotlight. I want the players to be in the spotlight.”
— Elan Lee
“I once took a week-long skydiving course, and at the end of it, I asked the instructor, ‘Do you ever get bored of this?’ And he said, ‘Do you ever get bored of having sex?’ And I thought, that’s exactly it. That’s how I feel about games. That’s how I feel about this job. It’s not a thing with an expiration. It’s a little dopamine factory for me and the people who get to have these experiences. I don’t know how you get bored of that. That’s just eternal.”
— Elan Lee
“I only care about one question. In fact, we do all these play tests, we don’t even give out surveys anymore. There’s only one question we ask, which is, ‘When you finish playing the game, did you want to play again?’ And a game is done when 100 percent of the people say ‘Yes.'”
— Elan Lee
PEOPLE MENTIONEDJustin GaryMatthew InmanBrian S. SpenceJordan WeismanBatmanArnold SchwarzeneggerJar Jar BinksGeorge W. BushJohn AdamsThomas JeffersonMichael JordanSteven SpielbergSean StewartStanley KubrickEddie MurphyLord VoldemortPeter CherninMike JudgeGreg DanielsSteven RinellaKevin RoseReese WitherspoonJesse JacobsPenn JilletteTellerThe post Elan Lee, Co-Creator of Exploding Kittens — How to Raise Millions on Kickstarter, Deconstructing Mega-Successes, Secrets of Game Design, The Power of Positive Constraints, The Delights of Craftsmanship, and The Art of Turning Fans into Superfans (#653) appeared first on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss.
January 27, 2023
Famed Explorer Wade Davis — How to Become the Architect of Your Life, The Divine Leaf of Immortality, Rites of Passage, Voodoo Demystified, Optimism as the Purpose of Life, How to Be a Prolific Writer, Psychedelics, Monetizing the Creativity of Your Life,

“The purpose of life is not to triumph over evil, but to keep pushing the wheel of justice forward. And when you realize that that is the end point, you then never expect to win. And if you never expect to win, you’re not disappointed when you lose. And because of that, you can keep fighting with the same idealism, the same energy when you’re 69 years old, as I am today, that I had when I was 20 years old and marching against the war in Vietnam.”
— Wade Davis
Wade Davis (@wadedavisofficial, daviswade.com) is Professor of Anthropology and the BC Leadership Chair in Cultures and Ecosystems at Risk at the University of British Columbia. Between 2000 and 2013, he served as Explorer-in-Residence at the National Geographic Society. Named by the NGS as one of the Explorers for the Millennium, he has been described as “a rare combination of scientist, scholar, poet, and passionate defender of all of life’s diversity.”
An ethnographer, writer, photographer, and filmmaker, Wade holds degrees in anthropology and biology and a PhD in ethnobotany, all from Harvard University. Mostly through the Harvard Botanical Museum, he spent over three years in the Amazon and Andes as a plant explorer, living among 15 indigenous groups while making some 6000 botanical collections. His work later took him to Haiti to investigate folk preparations implicated in the creation of zombies, an assignment that led to his writing The Serpent and the Rainbow, an international bestseller, later released by Universal as a motion picture. In recent years, his work has taken him to East Africa, Borneo, Nepal, Peru, Polynesia, Tibet, Mali, Benin, Togo, New Guinea, Australia, Colombia, Vanuatu, Mongolia, and the high Arctic of Nunavut and Greenland.
Wade is the author of 375 scientific and popular articles and 23 books, including One River, The Wayfinders, Into the Silence, and Magdalena. His photographs have been widely exhibited and have appeared in 37 books and 130 magazines, including National Geographic, Time, Geo, People, Men’s Journal, and Outside. He was curator of “The Lost Amazon: The Photographic Journey of Richard Evans Schultes,” first exhibited at the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution. In 2012 he served as guest curator of “No Strangers: Ancient Wisdom in the Modern World,” at the Annenberg Space for Photography in Los Angeles. He was curator of “Everest: Ascent to Glory,” Bowers Museum, February 12–August 28, 2022. National Geographic has published two collections of his photography: Light at the Edge of the World (2001) and Wade Davis: Photographs (2018).
His 40 film credits include Light at the Edge of the World, an eight-hour documentary series written and produced for National Geographic. His most recent film, El Sendero de la Anaconda, a 90-minute feature documentary shot in the Northwest Amazon, is available on Netflix.
A professional speaker for 30 years, Wade has lectured at over 200 universities and 250 corporations and professional associations. In 2009 he delivered the CBC Massey Lectures. He has spoken from the main stage at TED five times, and his three posted talks have been viewed by 8 million. His books have appeared in 22 languages and sold approximately one million copies.
Wade, one of 20 Honorary Members of the Explorers Club, is Honorary Vice President of the Royal Canadian Geographical Society and recipient of 12 honorary degrees. He has been awarded the 2009 Gold Medal from the Royal Canadian Geographical Society, the 2011 Explorers Medal, the 2012 David Fairchild Medal for botanical exploration, the 2015 Centennial Medal of Harvard University, the 2017 Roy Chapman Andrews Society’s Distinguished Explorer Award, the 2017 Sir Christopher Ondaatje Medal for Exploration, and the 2018 Mungo Park Medal from the Royal Scottish Geographical Society. In 2016, he was made a Member of the Order of Canada. In 2018 he became an Honorary Citizen of Colombia.
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Want to hear another episode featuring someone committed to exploring and expanding the boundaries of human knowledge? Have a listen to my conversation with Dr. Andrew Weil, in which we discussed the 4-7-8 breath for instant anxiety relief, overcoming the stigma of coca leaves to realize their medical benefits, kava and its effect on sleep quality, the first wave of psychedelic research at Harvard, the positives and negatives of psychedelics going mainstream, and much more.
#615: Dr. Andrew Weil — The 4-7-8 Breath Method, Cannabis, The Uses of Coca Leaf, Rehabilitating Demonized Plants, Kava for Anxiety, Lessons from Wade Davis, The Psychedelic Renaissance, How to Emerge from Depression, Tales from 50+ Visits to Japan, Matcha Benefits, and MoreWhat was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEConnect with Wade Davis:The Serpent and the Rainbow: A Harvard Scientist’s Astonishing Journey into the Secret Societies of Haitian Voodoo, Zombis, and Magic by Wade Davis | AmazonThe Serpent and the Rainbow | Prime VideoOne River: Explorations and Discoveries in the Amazon Rain Forest by Wade Davis | AmazonThe Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World by Wade Davis | AmazonInto the Silence: The Great War, Mallory, and the Conquest of Everest by Wade Davis | AmazonMagdalena: River of Dreams: A Story of Colombia by Wade Davis | AmazonLight at the Edge of the World: A Journey Through the Realm of Vanishing Cultures by Wade Davis | AmazonWade Davis: Photographs by Wade Davis | AmazonLight at the Edge of the World | YouTubeEl Sendero De La Anaconda | NetflixWade Davis TED Talks | YouTubeArchives: CBC Massey Lectures | CBC RadioThe Ice Maiden | NEH EssentialsHumans Are All More Closely Related Than We Commonly Think | Scientific AmericanHōkūleʻa | Polynesian Voyaging SocietyMarine Chronometers: Clocks Which Changed the Course of Globalization | My Modern MetThe Lapita People | Amura WorldDead Reckoning | WikipediaKogi People of Colombia | Atlas of HumanityThe Culture of the Wiwa, an Indigenous Colombian Tribe in the Sierra Nevada | Culture TripArhuaco | Minority Rights GroupKankuamo | Minority Rights GroupTairona Heritage TrustAluna: An Ecological Warning from the Kogi PeopleRevolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) | FSIThe Arhuacos: A Message from the Mamos, the Prophets of the Sierra Nevada | Pulitzer CenterErythroxylum Novogranatense | WikipediaErythroxylum Coca | WikipediaMambe Medicine Coca | Alma Healing CenterYpadu | WikipediaOrigins of Coca: Museum Genomics Reveals Multiple Independent Domestications from Progenitor Erythroxylum Gracilipes | Systematic BiologyCoca Leaf: Myths and Reality | Transnational InstituteA Review of How Prohibition Conditioned the Course of Colombia’s History | MamaCocaWeed of the Month: Jimson Weed | Brooklyn Botanic GardenTetrodotoxin (TTX) | Encyclopedia MDPIMedicine: Zombies: Do They Exist? | TimeDoes the Haitian Criminal Code Outlaw Making Zombies? | In Custodia Legis: Law Librarians of CongressHow to Make a Zombie (Seriously) | Live ScienceThe Tonton Macoutes: The Central Nervous System of Haiti’s Reign of Terror | COHAWest African Vodun | WikipediaHaitian Vodou | WikipediaAfrican Diaspora Religions | WikipediaJan. 1, 1804: Haitian Independence | Zinn Education ProjectToxic Toad, Known as Bufo, Cane, Marine, or Giant Toad | ENNDSMuseum of Comparative Zoology | Harvard UniversityFrom Russia, with Love by Ian Fleming | AmazonDr. No: A Novel by Ian Fleming | AmazonD-Tubocurarine | American Chemical SocietyThe Appealing and Potentially Lethal Delicacy That Is Fugu | The New York TimesMasonic Symbolism in Haitian Vodou | ArgentviveAcute Poisoning Due to Ingestion of Datura Stramonium – A Case Report | Romanian Journal of Anaesthesia and Intensive CareScopolamine: World’s Scariest Drug (Documentary Exclusive) | ViceAguaruna | Atlas of HumanityXavante | Indigenous Peoples in BrazilXerente | Indigenous Peoples in BrazilAdvancing Indigenous Peoples’ Rights & Cultures Worldwide Since 1972 | Cultural SurvivalBoasian Anthropology | WikipediaThe 8 Most Important Voodoo Gods | Learn ReligionsMaloca | WikipediaGitxsan Nation | American Museum of Natural HistoryWade Davis ’71 | Brentwood College SchoolCourage Is the Most Important Virtue, Says Writer and Civil Rights Activist Maya Angelou at Convocation | Cornell ChronicleApollo 8: Earthrise | NASAThe Problem of Evil | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyRite of Passage | WikipediaBrutal Rite of Passage: Why Do They Endure ‘Sucking Up Pain’ and Mind Games? The Lure of Being in the Military’s Most Elite Commando Force | Los Angeles TimesThe Power of Myth — The Hero’s Adventure with Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyers | The Tim Ferriss Show #456Spatsizi Plateau Wilderness Provincial Park | BC ParksGo Haida GwaiiAbout Clearcutting | Sierra ClubTap-Taps | Travel AdventuresOur Territory | Tahltan Central GovernmentSmithsonian Folklife FestivalOpinion: Should Young Americans Be Required to Give a Year of Service? | The New York TimesInside the Darién Gap, One of the World’s Most Dangerous Jungles | The ManualWade Davis on the Art of Exploring | Financial TimesLooking into Black Jaguar’s Eyes | Polish Dr. DolittleWhat’s the Difference Between Ayahuasca and Yagé? | PsychableAyahuasca Ceremonies in Peru | Ayahuasca FoundationThe Yagé Letters by William S. Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg | AmazonColombia’s Countercultures: The Beat Generation’s Bad Trip | Colombia ReportsKeynote Speech: The Ethnosphere and the Academy by Wade Davis | Where There Be DragonsMyth and Metaphor: Managing Nature in the Colombian Amazon by Wade Davis | ReVistaDiplopterys Cabrerana | WikipediaCurare – A Curative Poison: A Scientometric Analysis | PLoS OneUseful Plants of the Siona and Secoya Indians of Eastern Ecuador by William T. Vickers and Timothy PlowmanWhat is Aboriginal Dreamtime? | ArtlandishEchinopsis Pachanoi (San Pedro Cactus) | WikipediaLines and Geoglyphs of Nasca and Palpa | UNESCO World Heritage Centre‘What Does It Mean to Be Human?’: Wade Davis and the Spirit of Diversity | The LeaderTobacco and Shamanism in South America by Johannes Wilbert | AmazonGiving Dogs Psychedelics: Practices in Indigenous Tribes | Reality SandwichThe Palm and the Pleiades: Initiation and Cosmology in Northwest Amazonia by Stephen Hugh-Jones | AmazonFrom the Milk River: Spatial and Temporal Processes in Northwest Amazonia by Christine Hugh-Jones | AmazonA Staple Starch: Cassava, Manioc & Yuca | KitchnPsychedelics 101: Books, Documentaries, Podcasts, Science, and More | Tim FerrissSet and Setting: Why Preparation Matters | DoubleBlindQ&A: What Is the Vedic Tradition? | Yoga InternationalRanking the Beatles’ Albums in Order of Greatness | Far OutThe Complete I Ching | AmazonPsychedelics May Lessen Fear of Death and Dying, Similar to Feelings Reported by Those Who’ve Had Near Death Experiences | Johns Hopkins Medicine42nd Street (Original Cast Recording) | AmazonThe Rucksack Man by Sebastian Snow | AmazonThe Alexandria Quartet by Lawrence Durrell | AmazonThe Swooper/Basher Dichotomy | Steven R. SouthardRongbuk Monastery | WikipediaThe Synthetic Rubber Project | The Library of CongressRetribution: The Battle for Japan, 1944-45 by Max Hastings | AmazonSHOW NOTES[06:34] The Wayfinders.[17:01] The Earth’s caretakers of Northern Colombia.[25:31] Coca and mambe.[34:17] Zombies, mysterious elixirs, and a sorcerer pimp.[49:35] The social implications of zombification and dangers of datura.[57:57] David Maybury-Lewis, Richard Evans Schultes, and living exploration.[1:02:13] Why helping young people is a top priority for Wade.[1:07:43] Pessimism is an indulgence. Choose optimism.[1:13:10] Rites of passage.[1:17:26] The night Wade had to light himself on fire.[1:20:37] The scar Wade doesn’t regret.[1:23:41] Raising kids to be better citizens of the world.[1:31:02] Wade’s own hero’s journey.[1:34:19] Ayahuasca origin stories and uses alternative to healing.[1:47:34] The real tragedy of coca.[1:50:29] Dosed dogs, provocative gardens, and the cosmology of bitter manioc.[1:53:41] What psychedelics gave Wade earlier in life vs. later on.[2:06:34] How did Wade teach himself to write well?[2:18:50] Work points and outlining the course of a book.[2:28:26] Parting thoughts.MORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW“Storytellers change the world.”
— Wade Davis
“Every culture is a unique answer to a fundamental question: what does it mean to be human and alive? And when the peoples of the world answer that, they do so in the 7,000 different voices of humanity. And all those answers kind of collectively become our human repertoire.”
— Wade Davis
“We’re living through an era where half of humanity’s intellectual, social, spiritual, even ecological knowledge is at risk. And at the same time, we’re living through an era where geneticists have finally proven it to be true what philosophers and poets have always dreamt to be true, that we really are all brothers and sisters. “
— Wade Davis
“There is no hierarchy in culture.”
— Wade Davis
“If you took all of the genius that allowed us to put a man on the moon and applied it to an understanding of the ocean, what you would get is Polynesia.”
— Wade Davis
“Coca is to cocaine what potatoes are to vodka.”
— Wade Davis
“I’ve always believed that nothing is beneath you. Nothing is a waste of time unless you make it so. A cab driver can have as much to teach you as a professor at university if you’re open to the possibility.”
— Wade Davis
“Be patient, never compromise, give your destiny time to find you. Bitterness always comes to those who look back on a life of choices imposed upon them from the outside. You may not make all the right decisions, but if you own those decisions, they all become the right ones because, together, they become the path of your own creation and you become the architect of your own life.”
— Wade Davis
“How can you not be optimistic? I mean, that’s the purpose of life itself.”
— Wade Davis
“What generation has ever come of age in a world at peace, a world without troubles?”
— Wade Davis
“The purpose of life is not to triumph over evil, but to keep pushing the wheel of justice forward. And when you realize that that is the end point, you then never expect to win. And if you never expect to win, you’re not disappointed when you lose. And because of that, you can keep fighting with the same idealism, the same energy when you’re 69 years old, as I am today, that I had when I was 20 years old and marching against the war in Vietnam.”
— Wade Davis
“It’s empathy and love, it’s not bravado.”
— Wade Davis
“If you’re being given food almost anywhere in the world, it means some child is probably not eating that day. And even if you know, and there’s been many times when I’ve known because of the circumstances, that if I eat a plate offered to me, without doubt, I’ll contract giardia or amoebic dysentery, I always eat the food. Because you can always treat the illness; you can never rekindle the trust that you’ve shattered, not just between you and the person, but between that person and the next outsider who will come along.”
— Wade Davis
“There’s no reason whatsoever that our government in the United States shouldn’t be able to mobilize resources that would make available to every young American boy and girl the opportunity to travel within America, to know another face of America, another section of the country. Californians to Iowa, Kansans to Miami, and so on. And give them work to help make us a better country, whether it’s picking up plastic or caring for the elderly, whatever it is. Again, giving young people a sense that they’re not the center of the universe. That they live to help others. That we do exist as a community. That you have to be humble. And just because you believe it doesn’t mean it’s true.”
— Wade Davis
“Young people have to learn that there’s something bigger than themselves that they need to be loyal to. And that’s not necessarily a country, it’s a concept. It’s the idea of community.”
— Wade Davis
“When the people say ‘The plants teach us,’ I’m quite prepared at this point in my life to take them at their word.”
— Wade Davis
“Her parents said, ‘Don’t take these things, you’ll never come back the same.’ And the poor parents didn’t understand that was the entire point of the exercise. We didn’t want to come back the same. We wanted to come back transformed.”
— Wade Davis
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