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Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told him to bring his kid a certain place, and kill him. And the man..."

That was the story of Abraham and Isaac, and it was a test for Abraham.

Being "good" doesn't bring you any closer to God. God does not hate. Hate comes from Hell. Tell me, do you want more peace in your life, or do you want to suffer more? Being a Christian, isn't some "religious game". It's a way of life. People get screwed over by Catholics when they are young & then they don't believe afterwards.

Also, God doesn't change. & neither does his love. Everything comes together for a greater plan. Think about this. Maybe, there are things we can't see, & all these things are happening to bring a better ending. Someday, somehow, you'll see.

Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told him to bring his kid a certain place, and kill him. And the man..."
It wasn't a "sick joke". He wanted to test Abraham's faith before He gave him His plan, to go to the new land.

Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told him to bring his kid a certain place, and kill him..."

yes but, why cudnt "his faith" be testes in a different way? ITs doesnt change the fact that God had asked him to kill. And if im not mistaken, doesnt all this crime and murder stuff "come from Hell" and isnt commiting murder the thing that could essentially get you a one-way ticket to hell?

Kaylee wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told him to bring his kid a certain place, and kill him..."

Whut? People actually say "God isnt like that anymore" because of the new testament? I think people changed the old testament to suite the society saying that God is different now... but when the new testament was written people actually re-wrote it. I mean did God actually talk to people and told them to change it, hence making them re-write it? Probably not

Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told him to bring his kid a ..."

Um no. He didn't ask him to "kill" him. It was a sacrifice. But it was God's plan all along that He would stop Abraham before it would happen.

Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and the man did. Then, God told..."

yes but "sacrifice" or not, the killing/murder still happened. And why couldnt "his faith" have been tested another way?

Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and ..."
No, it didn't happen. I say yet again, God stopped him.

Kaylee wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Ella wrote: "@H99
I remember reading a kids Bible and it explained how God asked a man to kill his sheep for him, and ..."

Guess where the children went? To Heaven. All children do. Is it harsh? Who are we to question God. He who made us. He who knows your doubts before you even do.

Good. You should be curious.

They say children, but no one knows the exact age of when that doesn't count anymore. It's basically like, if you are old enough to understand & yet you still are unbelieving, then you aren't covered by that. Free will again, is a blessing & a curse. As for those that worshipped false gods go to Hell because at one point or,another, there was a time when they could've stopped & knowing what they were doing is wrong. Like now. After all of this sharing, and you refuse to see the truth, and say you die this next second (God forbid), then you might go to Hell because you were introduced to the truth, but refused to accept it. Meaning, you do not brlieve Jesus Christ is your savior.

Ok whatevr i dont even knwo any Bible stories, im not Christian and neither is my family, so im kinda clueless when u talk about all these stories.... But I still want to learn and understand.

And someone said that God got people in Egypt killed or something, then all those innocent people would have gone to hell? Since they were in ancient Egypt and they obviously werent Christian because they worshipped their Gods/Goddesses. I find that a bit harsh. If everyone is entitled to their free will and is entitled to believe what they want, then why do people go to Hell if they do not believe in the Christian God? According to this logic, all those Egyptians who you said died would have gone to Hell.

Lia wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "And someone said that God got people in Egypt killed or something, then all those innocent people would have gone to hell? Since they were in ancient Egypt and they obviousl..."

Yeah see? this is what i dont get, the weird loophole. If it was in fact the pharoah's fault, then what would God have gained by having evreyone else killed? I mean he could save all these lives by just disposing of the pharoah instead of thousands of innocent people. If God is ok with mass murder, but he still is good and all, he could have just killed off the nasty pharoah in place of all those people who actually died.

@Paigetwo
Umm, not be rude, but I really dont appreciate the fact that you just told me I'm going to Hell. But, no matter.

There are so many great people from other religions, so they all go to Hell?

@Lia
And I dont think anyone should ask anything more of you. I read this book once, called Damned by Chuck Palahniuk (bad book, goof concepts), which was an amusing take on Hell. It just states that everyone goes there for different, stupid reasons. E.g. Saying "fuck" more then 500 times or peeing in more than 2 pools in your lifetime will get you a one-way ticket to Hell.

I dont know why I brought this up, but I felt like I should.

@Lia
Well I feel like it's generalizing to say: this group get's eternal happiness and this one doesnt. If "God"is someone who should be respected, then he/she/it can overlook all that.

Ella wrote: "@Lia
And I dont think anyone should ask anything more of you. I read this book once, called Damned by Chuck Palahniuk (bad book, goof concepts), which was an amusing take on Hell. It just states th..."

haha seems like a pretty comedic book.

Ella wrote: "@Paigetwo
Umm, not be rude, but I really dont appreciate the fact that you just told me I'm going to Hell. But, no matter.

There are so many great people from other religions, so they all go to H..."

Ella, I don't think you're going to hell. Honestly, I don't believe that anybody goes to hell. God loves all humans and there's just no way He would through the people who don't believe in Him to hell to be tortured for all eternity. Does that sound very loving? Um no. Besides the fact that by letting Satan torture people for all eternity, God is in a way letting Satan get what he wanted.

Alright, just to get started off, I do believe that there's a God, and I just... well, let me say this. I know it's been said before, but if you look at the universe, with it's infinite possibilities, and all of the complexity from the largest supernova to the smallest atom and chemical compound, I just don't think that it all could have occurred because two particles collided in the empty vacuum of space and exploded, starting a chain reaction. It just doesn't seem plausible.

I know that one of the main arguments against God is the whole 6000 years thing, where Christians state that the world is 6000 years old, but Carbon dating says that it's many millions of years old, but how about this: God is eternal, correct? and if you don't believe in God, then in theory he is eternal. An eternal being does not perceive time the way that we do. Seven days to Him could be tens of millions of years to us. Just a thought for you guys.

that is the main problem with god
it is defined totally different in every religion and even has different theories

Anuj wrote: "that is the main problem with god
it is defined totally different in every religion and even has different theories"

Yes exactly!
how do we know which one is "true" when there are so many options to choose from? It seems as though evryone is only talking about the Christian God.

Are any of you guys part of any other religion? If so please share.

H99 wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "Anuj wrote: "that is the main problem with god
it is defined totally different in every religion and even has different theories"

Yes exactly!
how do we know which one ..."


same here

@H99/Anuj - oh cool! i heard hinduism is pretty science-y right!?

Sasha Herondale wrote: "@H99/Anuj - oh cool! i heard hinduism is pretty science-y right!?"

it is pretty much science-y but it is also religion so it has its flaws

H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "@H99/Anuj - oh cool! i heard hinduism is pretty science-y right!?"

it is pretty much science-y but it is also religion so it has its flaws"

I would say it's ..."

i dont think food is thrown away... is it not dispersed between the people who come to the temple?

H99 wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "@H99/Anuj - oh cool! i heard hinduism is pretty science-y right!?"

it is pretty much science-y but it is also religion so ..."

yeh well that liquids are probably dirty, and i dont think its going to prper or decent to consume the foods that the staues have been cleaned with.

eg: like if there is a stone statue of god, and its getting dirty, so its going to be cleaned with some water, its not decent to go and drink that water after the statue has been cleaned with it.

@ h99

you are talking about milk on shivling statue yeah it is waste of milk and

@ sasha

religiously you can do anything it is same like beating our own for your sins

Anuj wrote: "@ h99

you are talking about milk on shivling statue yeah it is waste of milk and

@ sasha

religiously you can do anything it is same like beating our own for your sins"


what? what do you mean by "beating your own"?

H99 wrote: "Lia wrote: "No offense, but that sounds wasteful. There are people who could use that stuff, why not give it away as a sign of religious goodwill or something?"

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly, and I ..."

yeh tell that to the priests.

And anyway, thats just a small thing. We r not talking about the behaviour and tradition, we are talking about the actual beleifs.

In this debate it questions ur belief.
So tell me do you believe in God(s).

I will say this; I dont really know what I believe, and honestly the existence of God is probably not going to make a difference in my life. Maye we may nevr find out. But i do find it interesting. And hinduism is more than just pouring milk on a statue.
People have been arguing about evolution, but like i said Evolution and Religion are NOT mutually exclusive.... EXAMPLE: Hinduism agrees that evolution had occured.

There is only one true God. My God loves everyone, even those who constantly spit in his face & deny him. (Like a lot of you guys) That is unconditional love. His love never fails & even though you may give up on Him, He will never give up on you.

Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "There is only one true God. My God loves everyone, even those who constantly spit in his face & deny him. (Like a lot of you guys) That is unconditional love. His love never fails & even though you..."

ok now you are just kind of pushing your beliefs on others; You have ststed as though it is a known fact that "there is only one true God".

Need I remind you that there are those in this debate thread that are not ALL the Christian, or they do not ALL follow the same faith as you....

I know you did not say that exactly, but your choice of words is kind of giving off that meaning. Especially since you wrote "one true God" instead of writing "I believe... blah".

Sasha Herondale wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "There is only one true God. My God loves everyone, even those who constantly spit in his face & deny him. (Like a lot of you guys) That is unconditional love. His love ne..."

Exactly. Don't some other religions believe in God too, though possibly not the same one as the Christian God?




Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "There is only one true God. My God loves everyone, even those who constantly spit in his face & deny him. (Like a lot of you guys) That is unconditional love. His love never fails & even though you..."

The spitting in the face thing was a little too far.

@Lo
Would God even have a face to spit on? -_-
Some people believe that God is all around us; in nature and all living organisms.

Ella wrote: "@Lo
Would God even have a face to spit on? -_-
Some people believe that God is all around us; in nature and all living organisms."

I know, I was just quoting her.

But that's a good point--I forgot about that.

Sasha Herondale wrote: "And anyway, thats just a small thing. We r not talking about the behaviour and tradition, we are talking about the actual beleifs.

In this debate it questions ur belief.
So tell me do you believe..."



i was talking about beating you own body and asking for forgiveness for you sins
same in hinduism devotee can drink water or milk which just washed the statue

Ella wrote: "@Lo
Would God even have a face to spit on? -_-
Some people believe that God is all around us; in nature and all living organisms."

yep hinduism believe in that it says that god is in you

well yeh a lot of people do believe that God is omnipresent.

And once someone who i once knew (who was hindu) said that "everything (in the universe) was made from a part of God, hence evrything has some part of God in it"

H99 wrote: "I think we should all go back to the first post.

Empirical proof."

yes, thanks for pointing that out. People say 'belief' and 'this is wat i believe in...' but the first question specificaly asks, for proof.

I am an Atheist, so I don't think god exists


To the people who think that the universe is to complex to have just evolved: If the universe is to complex to have just evolved, and it had to be created, wouldn't it's creator have to be really complex? And if it was, by your reasoning That creator would have to have a creator to.

I just wanna say this: The bible is a book written a long time ago written by someone who CLAIMS to know this stuff and all that stuff (i havent read it an yeah so if anythings off about what i say dont hate me) Ab if you believe in god you have to just believe that person blindly because there is no proof he exists. Therefore would you believe someone if they told you the #4 controlled all things and everything was governed by the powers of four? Yeah that sounds ridiculous right? Well basicly youre blindly believeing something somebody wrote down with no proof what so ever that god does exist. Why is that? You refuse to believe anything else even tho there may be proof for that just because of a book someone wrote a long time ago

No.

I've seen enough proof in the Bible to know that it was inspired by God. But I know that not everybody has the faith I have and that's okay :) We can't all be the same anyway :P

Sierra wrote: "I've seen enough proof in the Bible to know that it was inspired by God. But I know that not everybody has the faith I have and that's okay :) We can't all be the same anyway :P"

Yep ;) I don't force anyone to have my religion. Faith is something that really helps you along life. It's why people doubt God, if they don't have any faith. My opinnion though guys. Please don't all jump at me and start yelling at me :( If I die and I don't go to heaven or anywhere, you can tell me you told me so.

If anyone wants to read an article I thought was cool, here's a link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchre...

It's only one of the millions.

Also, this video is not the best, but it's the best we have at this point. I think that it's pretty interesting. I wish I was smart enough to do more research. Haha. For people that want God to be scientifically proven, this is the beginning of it. Like the Theory of evolution. It took a long long time to prove it, and yet now they are saying that we came from fish, and the ape thing is wrong ;) :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJioWK...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rc...

I never know what to believe, I do Philosophy as a subject and so we hear many arguments for Gods existence, the Design, Cosmological, Ontological and from religious experience (no doubt there is more, I still have half the course to go). We here a wide variety of things in these but the result is always that it is "probable". So i live my life in the middle, I don't judge people who have faith, in a way I would consider someone lucky to have faith in something.

I am a girl. ;O wrote: "Sierra wrote: "I've seen enough proof in the Bible to know that it was inspired by God. But I know that not everybody has the faith I have and that's okay :) We can't all be the same anyway :P"

Ye..."

I don't force anyone either. Actually, I think it's really interesting to learn about other religions and see the differences compared to mine :)

How would you define the word "God"? What do you think people really mean when they say there is, or there isn't a God? Does the word "God" have any meaning if it is not used within the context of a specific religious, theological or spiritual tradition?

Jason wrote: "http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rc......"

I don't know what to say about that. I respect other people's opinions, so I don't think that video is approriate... is bashing other people's religions basically. (/opinions.) Fine, make videos of merely presenting the facts or whatever, but... come on... that?