The Mark of Athena discussion

I think that I would always like Percy better! The Romans just seem so harsh, and Percy just seems to have something that Jason does not. Percy is so intense and determined, but he also has a vulnerable side that is more relatable than anything Jason has. Not to mention the absolute perfection that is Percabeth!

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We probably would like him better. But I think if he was first Rick Riordan would've made him like Percy is and when Percy came along, he'd be like Jason.

Fair point but somehow I think a son of Zeus to start a series is just too predictable. The reason Percy worked is because wasn't son of the best and that's what made him laid back and not arrogant.

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I totally agree... besides I like Jason but my friends like Percy

Why don't you like Percy?

Why don't you like Percy?

I'm not sure but this is a great question. If we had followed the Roman side, would out opinions be different when all were brought together? Doubtful, for me at least. I don't dislike Jason as a character, I just enjoy Percy's quirkiness a lot more. It's kind of a Team Jacob/Team Edward debate, you know. You are right, it wouldn't be the same. As readers we may be more familiar with Jason, more invested in the Roman's rather than the Greeks but I don't think I would like Percy as a character less.

Yes, I think we would prefur Jason. Even if I hate him currently

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Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jas..."
Yeah, you're right, Percabeth has gotten a little bit sloppy. I don't like how everybody is in a relationship except for Leo. We don't need Jasper or Frazel. I don't like Frazel anyways. Or Jasper. I like Percabeth, that's the thing, but Rick is starting to just slap together couples that weren't meant to be. I hope that Frazel breaks up but I doubt Jasper will. Some of the couples don't seem right to me, I feel like some couples should've waited. I don't understand why Rick had to put a bunch of couples together. We don't need couples for conflict or a plot. We just need characters, a quest and some drama. Piper annoys me though, how she compared Percy to Jason. She's got to remember that Jason is perfect and Percy is special. Percy can't be Jason and Jason can't be Percy. They've both got flaws, weaknesses and strengths. Nobody cares that Percy looks unimpressive to you compared to Jason. That was offensive. When I read that part I pursed my lips, put down the book and shook my head. 'Nobody cares Piper, nobody cares.'

Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five b..."

To me, Piper is a lesser Annabeth. They needed a "mate" to Jason, but the fit isn't quite right. I understand the coupling, this is the age where that happens. When you look at it through Piper's eyes, she's going to compare because the boy she likes best is always going to be better...just like Annabeth who found Jason "too perfect", she loves Percy's imperfections. However, they question remains...if you can put aside the fact that you followed the Greeks rather than the Romans first, would you still like Percy more than Jason? I say yes...I like Percy's quirks. Just my opinion. :)

Sherry wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the..."

I like Percy a lot more. Jason's too uptight and he doesn't break the rules. He's too goody goody. Remember when Percy broke the rules in The Titan's Curse to save Annabeth? He took Blackjack and followed Zoë, Thalia, Grover and Bianca because even though it was the wrong thing, it was the right thing. Jason, I doubt he would've done that for Reyna or whoever because He. Doesn't. Break. The. Rules. Percy does because Percy's not afraid of getting in trouble. He's not afraid of the rules. He knew he had to be on that quest dispite his and Thalia's fight (I loved that fight). Jason is too perfect for not only Annabeth, but for me aswell. I don't like him because he seems too perfect with that ruler stuck inbeetween his buttcheeks, never doing anything wrong or stupid. We like Percy's stupidity. That's what makes him special and Jason perfect. I won't hold a grudge against Piper for her opinion, but her opinion was unfair to me.

Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one thing: Jason didn't drop to tartarus to save his girlfriend..."
YESSS!

I feel like we probably would like Jason better because we would connect with him more. I would still love Percy, without a doubt, just like I still like Jason. Because, quite frankly, how could anyone not like Percy?

Absolutely agree Mimi! And I agree with Ashley, how could anyone not like Percy? I honestly don't know if I would have read all five of the first books if they had been about Jason, maybe that's why they weren't about him, without Leo there isn't much fun in Jason's story.

Sherry wrote: "Absolutely agree Mimi! And I agree with Ashley, how could anyone not like Percy? I honestly don't know if I would have read all five of the first books if they had been about Jason, maybe that's wh..."

Thank you! And yeah, there would be no Leo or Piper (Piper is boring anyways), Leo is the only chapters worth reading out of those three. The only interesting POV would be Reyna's. Um, I don't like Piper or Jason a lot. I mean, they're cool and all, but I find Piper's chapters annoying. I try not to be offended about Piper's comparison between Percy and Jason. I like Jason and I like Percy but I like Percy more only because of all the books I've read about him.

Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs Piper to show emotion, of the Roman characters the only strong one is Reyna. I just don't know if they would have been as well rounded. I don't dislike Jason, I really don't, however with the information I have to work with I don't think I would have been as interested in the series had it been the other way around and if I had managed to make it to the two worlds meeting, I still think I would have liked Percy more, the character is definitely more dynamic.

Sherry wrote: "Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs Piper to show emotion, of t..."

But don't you think that if the series was about Jason, Rick would've made it more interesting? Based on the Jason we know he's boring and knocked out A LOT. But in order to catch our attention, he would've made him more interesting. I like Jason but sometimes I think he feels superior to his peers. He admitted it to Piper. He told her that he's not used to not having attention on him. Even when he wasn't the best at Camp Jupiter, he was the best. And who names the camp Camp Jupiter? Are they trying to suck up to Zeus--I mean Jupiter.

Mimi wrote: "Sherry wrote: "Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs Piper to sho..."

I would hope that he would have made it more interesting or Jason more interesting. It does seem from what we info we do have that he had his share of interesting battles as well. Rick is a fantastic writer, but I can only speculate by what info I have and by no means to I want to appear so stuck on Percy as if there is no way I would like a character more, because I think I actually like Leo's character more than Percy. These are awesome stories and this is a great question and debate.

Mimi wrote: "Sherry wrote: "Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs Piper to sho..."

Considering that Americans name places after legendary figures like the Founding Fathers such as George Washington, it's not really surprising that the Romans would name their camp after Jupiter. The camp's name may also be referring to their eagle standard that spits lightning at their enemies or their original name, Twelfth Legion Fulminata.

The Greeks also named various locations at camp after Thalia,Zeus, and Zephyrus, so this seems to be the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that Jason's comment to Piper was that he felt inferior to the Seven because he kept getting knocked out throughout MoA and that he felt that he was not living up to the standards of being part of the Seven.

Sherry wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Sherry wrote: "Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs..."

Rick is a great writer, and I want to know Jason more. I'm hoping that Rick does give him a POV (honestly, I just want to know what he thinks about Percy).
These are great stories, and I'm hoping to understand some of the Roman's a little more (Jason, Hazel, Frank, Reyna, Octavian, etc.). I still think Percy is the better guy though.

Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Sherry wrote: "Yes, this is why I was saying I am not sure I would have read five books about Jason. His character is one that needs a lot of support. He needs Leo to have humor, needs..."

Yeah I guess, but I thought they think Zeus is a little bit better (I guess he is). And there's Zeus's fist and Thalia's pine, so I guess it makes sense why they named their camp after Jupiter. But then again, wouldn't the other gods be offended or something? Percy said it himself, the gods get offended easily. If I were one of the other major gods I wouldn't like Zeus very much anyways (I think he's spoiled, lol).

Yes because then aren't we more attached to the character? Jason is every bit as interesting as Percy, we just don't know as much about him.

NO!! We would always like Percy best!

I would still like Percy more if Jason had his own series. Jason is not as funny and he seemed stuck up to me. Also, he isn't as humble and modest as Percy. Percy turned down immortality but Jason was extremely jealous when he found out that Percy took his place as head of the Roman camp. I do agree that most of his character is based on his looks. I think that is why both Reyna and Piper like him.

Syd wrote: "i like the romans, though i prefer camp half blood, i believe i am more roman. i dont like jason, not because he is roman, but because he is vain, soooo vain. sorry for the carly simon referance,
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I don't really like the romans, Mostly because they think everything is stronger as a roman like in S.O.N they told Percy they refer to Gaia as the Greek form because she is not as strong. like you said Jason is very vain and so are the Romans. Narcissist people they are (No offense to Roman lovers)

E.j. wrote: "I agree. Jason is not nearly as interesting as a character. Piper likes him, but it seems like that relationship is far too based on physical appearance. I don't think they've ever really had a com..."

ooh, I finally can explain it... thank you. lol

Though Jason is a good character, it is less likely for me to like his point of view over Percy's. Percy has a great sense of humour and his way of describing things makes reading more fun! On the other hand, Jason has a serious personality . So yeah, the story might be same but characters can make a difference whatsoever.

Anime_stars wrote: "Shaddup. No way!! Jason is a bland, useless moron with NO personality."

Okay, this made me laugh. A bland, useless moron with no personality? Why the hate? I mean, I don't care much for Jason either, but why the hate? On a different note, Percy is WAY more interesting than Jason. I can tell you that, but if Rick had decided to make it about the Roman's and Jason instead of the Greek's and Percy, he'd need to make Jason an interesting character to do so.

Back again.

PERCY ALL THE WAY.

As Hot As Jack Frost wrote: "Back again.

PERCY ALL THE WAY."

Agreed! But then again, if we had gotten to know Jason...

Mimi wrote:

Agreed! But then again, if we had gotten to know Jason..."

We would have a completely different discussion named "Do you think if Rick had made a series about Percy instead of Jason, would we like him more and Jason less?"

Jasmine wrote: "Shaddup. No way!! Jason is a bland, useless moron with NO personality."

Apparently they are developing the characters more in the house of hades. My sister got it, and she says he is bare able this book, I am retreading the mark of Athena, he is sorta a stubborn selfish brat hat keeps information to himself and his ignorant girlfriend piper, when I got the book the lost heroe, I rereAd it without Jason's part, and I loved the book, rereAd it with Jason's part and I was like "why did I buy this again?" I can handle piper, but Jason is just... Well lets hope for the house of hades that they are more developed

I really don't know. Maybe, piper and hazel, even though they're Greeks, I still don't like them as much as Percy and Annabeth.
I agree with people that say Jason is boring and always follows the rules... Because he is.

Hazel is not greek. I hate Jason he came in and took Percy place well listen to this all you Jason fans PERSUS JACKSON IS THE ONLY TRUE HERO. Not Jason. thank you.

Halie wrote: "Hazel is not greek. I hate Jason he came in and took Percy place well listen to this all you Jason fans PERSUS JACKSON IS THE ONLY TRUE HERO. Not Jason. thank you."

Lol agreed entirely

I don't think if he made a series about Jason we would like him more than Percy. Jason follows the rules, and is kind of boring. Percy has that bit of fire, an untamed part, and we love him for that. Annabeth seems to be the only person who can control him, and that makes their relationship even better. Jason just isn't amazing.

NO i think i would still like percy

Jason always follows the rules and Percy is so funny. If Rick did write about Jason more maybe i'd like him better, but Percy is way more intresting.

I think I'd still like the Greeks better... after all, they're not marching to war on the Romans.

Harlecat wrote: "I think I'd still like the Greeks better... after all, they're not marching to war on the Romans."

To be fair, if the situation in MoA was reversed, the Greeks wouldn't take the accidental Roman attack kindly, especially the Athena kids.

I would be more familiar with Jason. It is not because I don't know Jason, but Percy's character is better. Jason is toooooo perfect,which is not very good.
In general,I like both of them. I am more accustomed to Percy's style of narrating though.

E.j. wrote: "I agree. Jason is not nearly as interesting as a character. Piper likes him, but it seems like that relationship is far too based on physical appearance. I don't think they've ever really had a com..."

I think this is totally true. He is never described with any 'awesome' qualities like Percy.

Eleanor Rigby wrote: "Asiyah wrote: "I actually don't think so because it's not about how long we've read about one of them, it's about what kind of character they are. True, if Rick made a series about Jason instead of..."

Percy Jackson forever!

Never! Jason is ok but I love Percy's cocky nature. No one could ever beat him... well maybe Leo but its hard to tell

I'm an expert on this. I read The Lost Hero before I read the PJO series, so although I like the Greeks in general, Jason is my favorite guy character. He's so good that when I started reading about Percy, I thought "Percy's a hoodlum!" But he's actually really not, it's just that he's a very stark contrast to Jason. It definitely depends on who you connect with first.

I don't know. Its a fair question, I mean we love Percy because we have known him for so long. and if it had been Jason It would be the same case. And lets be honest we all love the touch of romance but since Jason also has a girlfriend, it wouldn't make a difference. So I think my final answer is yeah, we would like Jason more if we had known him for longer but if he made a separate series about Jason,and one about Percy it would come down to whether you like Roman or Greek better.